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BumRushDaShow

(151,330 posts)
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 07:44 PM Apr 19

Trump's Reported Plan to Recognize Crimea as Russian Sparks Fury

Source: Newsweek

Published Apr 19, 2025 at 5:16 AM EDT | Updated Apr 19, 2025 at 2:30 PM EDT


A reported plan by the United States to recognize Russia's control over Crimea as part of a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine has sparked anger for handing Russian President Vladimir Putin a victory regarding the peninsula he illegally annexed in 2014. The potential concession reported by Bloomberg citing unnamed sources follows President Donald Trump and his Secretary of State Marco Rubio indicating on Friday that the U.S. administration may abandon its peace-brokering efforts if talks fail.

But Pro-Ukrainian figures joined a chorus of disapproval over the reported proposal which the outlet said had not been finalized and has not been independently confirmed. When contacted by Newsweek, the White House said it will not comment on ongoing discussions. Newsweek has contacted the Ukrainian foreign ministry for comment.

Why It Matters

Russian troops invaded Crimea in February 2014 and after illegally seizing the peninsula, a sham referendum was cited by Moscow as showing most of the population favored reintegration with Russia. The annexation formed the backdrop to a war in Ukraine's Donbas region which preceded Moscow's full-scale invasion in February 2022.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said Kyiv would not cede to Russia any territory, including Crimea, as part of a peace deal. Putin claims to have annexed four other Ukrainian regions which Moscow does not fully control. Recognizing Russia's control of Crimea would deliver a major win for Putin, who has long pushed for international legitimacy over the territory.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-crimea-trump-2061694

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Trump's Reported Plan to Recognize Crimea as Russian Sparks Fury (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 19 OP
Anyone really surprised? cstanleytech Apr 19 #1
Praying for Peace in Ukraine hueymahl Apr 19 #2
We all knew that giving away Uraine was the price Traitor Tot had to pay. 70sEraVet Apr 19 #3
I suppose back room deal with Putin to recognize Canada and Greenland as American. Sell out scum! dutch777 Apr 19 #4
I'm ready to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of Ukraine. SupportSanity Apr 19 #5
I'm with you blue-wave Apr 19 #7
Ukraine way....hell DENVERPOPS Apr 19 #16
My thinking on this blue-wave Apr 20 #24
Yup. And Vance is in Europe meeting with the Vatican blue-wave Apr 19 #6
and before the genocide against the Crimean Tatars, there was the Holodomor in the 1930s yellowdogintexas Apr 19 #13
Yup blue-wave Apr 19 #14
Agree 100 % I keep seeing these videos on YouTube about the advances Ukraine is making yellowdogintexas Apr 19 #17
Trump is pure evil and so is his toadie Vance mdbl Apr 19 #8
How Is This Not A Replay Of Neville Chamberlain In 1938 DallasNE Apr 19 #9
Here's how: Chamberlain, though he erred terribly, was not a groomed German asset. Trump is a groomed Russian asset. n/t Mister Ed Apr 19 #10
Actually Chamberlain had constraints that Trump doesn't dsc Apr 19 #12
It follows the warlord type thinking moniss Apr 19 #11
Spare us from this vicious, vengeful traitor! dchill Apr 19 #15
Not his decision. Figarosmom Apr 19 #18
By what authority can chump BidenRocks Apr 20 #19
Crimea's population is mostly all Russian now womanofthehills Apr 20 #20
He likes to redraw maps with his sharpies. ToxMarz Apr 20 #21
Until the GOP grows a spine... RainCaster Apr 20 #22
OK. Now I think I understand this evil SOB ReRe Apr 20 #23
Well, that was always in the cards ... TomWilm Apr 20 #25
Bastard! Martin68 Apr 20 #26
Thanks, Putin. Kid Berwyn Apr 20 #27
HOW DARE YOU, YOU EVIL ORANGE HELLBEAST? ShazzieB Apr 20 #28
Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #29
Appeasement. Didn't work then. Won't work now. Torchlight Wednesday #30

70sEraVet

(4,463 posts)
3. We all knew that giving away Uraine was the price Traitor Tot had to pay.
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 08:10 PM
Apr 19

Putin won't even be required to say 'thank you'.

dutch777

(4,335 posts)
4. I suppose back room deal with Putin to recognize Canada and Greenland as American. Sell out scum!
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 08:13 PM
Apr 19

SupportSanity

(1,400 posts)
5. I'm ready to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of Ukraine.
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 08:50 PM
Apr 19

Anybody with me?

Be ready to watch Europe if this happens.

Game of chess.

blue-wave

(4,637 posts)
7. I'm with you
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 08:56 PM
Apr 19

Let's also rename every street in front of every Trump named property "Ukraine Way."

blue-wave

(4,637 posts)
24. My thinking on this
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 03:00 AM
Apr 20

was that it will piss Trump and his followers off every time they have to give the address.

blue-wave

(4,637 posts)
6. Yup. And Vance is in Europe meeting with the Vatican
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 08:53 PM
Apr 19

and the Italian Prime Minister (she was just at the White House) and who knows who else is on the agenda.. Trump is attempting to set this up to make Ukraine look bad. This will never play with me. The Russians committed genocide against the Crimean Tatars, clearing the peninsula for ethnic Russian settlement in 1944. The Russians play the long game, they never stop with their imperialistic ambition. So here we are today and the United States will be condoning a land grab through genocide. This would be so very wrong.

yellowdogintexas

(23,198 posts)
13. and before the genocide against the Crimean Tatars, there was the Holodomor in the 1930s
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 10:07 PM
Apr 19

from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
The Holodomor,[a] also known as the Ukrainian Famine,[8][9] was a mass famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union.

blue-wave

(4,637 posts)
14. Yup
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 10:13 PM
Apr 19

And the Russians want all of The Donbas, the area where The Holodomor primarily happened as well as more. I have said from the beginning of this war, give Ukraine everything it needs to chase the Russians out of ALL of Ukraine.

yellowdogintexas

(23,198 posts)
17. Agree 100 % I keep seeing these videos on YouTube about the advances Ukraine is making
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 10:51 PM
Apr 19

destroying important bridges, supply depots, tanks etc. I have seen 3 different ones about Russians who moved into the Crimea after 2014. These people are apparently either leaving to go back to Russia or sending their families out of Crimea. In regular media, we see any victory the Russians eke out and what it did to the target area, we have to go to YouTube to see anything about Ukraine's progress.

Personally, I think Putin is pushing so hard for this cease fire or whatever you want to call it because he knows his goose is gonna be cooked if it goes on much longer.

DallasNE

(7,763 posts)
9. How Is This Not A Replay Of Neville Chamberlain In 1938
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 09:13 PM
Apr 19

When Chamberlain ceded part of Czechoslovakia to Hitler? How did that turn out for Czechoslovakia and the world? I can't think of anything that would be more stupid than this proposal from Trump.

Mister Ed

(6,580 posts)
10. Here's how: Chamberlain, though he erred terribly, was not a groomed German asset. Trump is a groomed Russian asset. n/t
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 09:23 PM
Apr 19

dsc

(52,883 posts)
12. Actually Chamberlain had constraints that Trump doesn't
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 09:46 PM
Apr 19

The UK had no desire or ability to prosecute war which is the only thing that would have stopped Hitler. He was trying to buy time and to the extent it gave the UK time to build radar installations and the US to send weapons it might well have helped make the difference.

moniss

(7,132 posts)
11. It follows the warlord type thinking
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 09:46 PM
Apr 19

of Crumb the 1st who seems to believe that if you can kill enough people then any land or resources are "rightfully" yours.

Figarosmom

(5,333 posts)
18. Not his decision.
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 11:37 PM
Apr 19

It's Ukraines decision. It'll be justice the Gulf of Mexico. No one but MAGAS and putin will see it that way. The UN will reject it.

BidenRocks

(1,364 posts)
19. By what authority can chump
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:38 AM
Apr 20

give up another's sovereign territory?
Like getting us involved in Ukraine beyond supplying weapons.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Unless you are insane.

womanofthehills

(9,688 posts)
20. Crimea's population is mostly all Russian now
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:58 AM
Apr 20

“What percentage of Crimea is Russian?

According to the article, the population composition in Crimea is as follows:

– 82% Russian
– 10% Crimean Tatar
– 3% Russian and Ukrainian equally”

https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-faq/what-percentage-of-crimea-is-russian/

ToxMarz

(2,366 posts)
21. He likes to redraw maps with his sharpies.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 02:04 AM
Apr 20

Maybe he can relocate it to the Gulf of America with a hurricane headed straight towards it at the same time.

RainCaster

(12,714 posts)
22. Until the GOP grows a spine...
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 02:31 AM
Apr 20

Yes. This is still a thing. The major party that controls both houses, SCOTUS and the White House knows damn well that Ukraine is the innocent and agressed party. Any capitulation is a direct result of Russian influence.

ReRe

(11,569 posts)
23. OK. Now I think I understand this evil SOB
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 02:42 AM
Apr 20

Just think of anything good about our country, and that is what he's going after.
I look at this as more or less a declaration of war on Ukraine.
There are not enough words in the English language to express the depth of hate
I feel for that monster.

Outa here till my BP comes down.

ReRe

TomWilm

(1,902 posts)
25. Well, that was always in the cards ...
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 07:03 AM
Apr 20

... though Trump is an amazingly bad player.

While walls were still crumbling all over Eastern Europe in 1991, Crimea held a referendum on autonomy, and voted decisively for the restoration of the Crimean ASSR as a subject of the USSR. This was not seen as a vote to stay in the Soviet sphere, but as the only possibly step toward autonomy. Then happily the USSR imploded.

Inside the Ukrainian independence, Crimea was now part of Ukraine, but retained its new autonomous status and pushed forward for more. In 1992 the Crimean parliament established a Crimean constitution, and in 1994 elected its own local President. At a new Crimean referendum in 1994, 78% voted for greater autonomy.

In March 1995 the Ukrainian parliament unilaterally scrapped the Crimean constitution and abolished the post of President of Crimea. Then the Crimean parliament was forced to define a new constitution, dictated by the Ukrainian parliament. So, there were not much love between Crimea and Ukraine, and Ukraine did very little to earn it. The Crimean wish for more independence were squashed, and the peninsula has not forgotten that...

Russia, Ukraine and the Western powers did nothing to dream up a possible broad solution. Since the Soviet collapse all the simmering conflicts of the old East block borders were just pushed under the carpet. And the nice vision of a common security structure, for all of Europe, is now squashed in favor of militarization all over...

Just a short lesson on forgotten history. A possible better solution for Crimea could have been to gain a neutral status, like the Åland Islands, an autonomous region of Finland. Former part of the Russian Empire, now a demilitarized and neutralized zone.



ShazzieB

(20,376 posts)
28. HOW DARE YOU, YOU EVIL ORANGE HELLBEAST?
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 06:20 PM
Apr 20

Of all the stupid, stupid stunts he has pulled, this has to be one of the stupidest!

No, I'm not really surprised that he would do something like this, but to him, I still say.....

LetMyPeopleVote

(162,107 posts)
29. Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:03 PM
Wednesday


Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, which reads:

“The United States reaffirms as policy its refusal to recognize the Kremin's claims of sovereignty over territory seized by force.”

Torchlight

(4,554 posts)
30. Appeasement. Didn't work then. Won't work now.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 05:09 PM
Wednesday

Idiots and Russian oligarchs will argue for it. No one else will.

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