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riversedge

(75,145 posts)
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 06:26 PM Saturday

Vatican notes 'exchange of opinions' over migrants, prisoners in meeting with Vance

Source: AP



By NICOLE WINFIELD
Updated 2:39 PM CDT, April 19, 2025

VATICAN CITY (AP) — U.S. Vice President JD Vance met Saturday with the Vatican’s No. 2 official amid tensions over the U.S. crackdown on migrants, with the Holy See reaffirming good relations but noting “an exchange of opinions” over current international conflicts, migrants and prisoners.

Vance, a Catholic convert, met with the secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, and the foreign minister, Archbishop Paul Gallagher, in the Apostolic Palace. There was no indication he met with Pope Francis, who has sharply cut back official duties during his recovery from pneumonia.

Vance’s office said he and Parolin “discussed their shared religious faith, Catholicism in the United States, the plight of persecuted Christian communities around the world, and President Trump’s commitment to restoring world peace.”

The Holy See has responded cautiously to the Trump administration while seeking to continue productive relations in keeping with its tradition of diplomatic neutrality. .............



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/vatican-vance-pope-migration-a91d0f741cb994faae1e363d38b66c05





MeidasTouch @MeidasTouch
"Pope Francis skipped the Vatican’s official meeting with Vice President JD Vance Saturday, instead having his No. 2 give the vice president a lecture on compassion, according to a Vatican statement."

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Vatican notes 'exchange of opinions' over migrants, prisoners in meeting with Vance (Original Post) riversedge Saturday OP
' Vance, who converted to Catholicism in 2019, identifies with a small Catholic intellectual movement, viewed by some cr riversedge Saturday #1
They should excommunicate him IronLionZion Saturday #2
I won't speculate on the reason Pope Francis did not meet with Vance Raven123 Saturday #3
He was showing his disdain for Shady Jilly_in_VA Saturday #6
I read a report stating the Pope met with Vance privately and briefly. Raven123 Sunday #8
Of course they won't Jilly_in_VA Sunday #9
I hope an exorcist came in afterwards to decontaminate the space. Irish_Dem Saturday #4
That is interesting Cirsium Saturday #5
We have a similar problem in Orthodoxy Jilly_in_VA Saturday #7
JD Vance visited and now the Pope is dead Miguelito Loveless Monday #10

riversedge

(75,145 posts)
1. ' Vance, who converted to Catholicism in 2019, identifies with a small Catholic intellectual movement, viewed by some cr
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 06:36 PM
Saturday




..........Francis also changed church teaching to say that capital punishment is inadmissible in all cases. After a public appeal from Francis just weeks before Trump took office, President Joe Biden commuted the sentences of 37 of the 40 people on federal death row. Trump is an outspoken proponent of expanding capital punishment.

Vance, who converted to Catholicism in 2019, identifies with a small Catholic intellectual movement, viewed by some critics as having reactionary or authoritarian leanings, that is often called “postliberal.”


Postliberals share some longstanding Catholic conservative views, such as opposition to abortion and LGBTQ+ rights. They envision a counterrevolution in which they take over government bureaucracy and institutions like universities from within, replacing entrenched “elites” with their own and acting upon their vision of the “common good.”

Just days before he was hospitalized in February, Francis blasted the Trump administration’s deportation plans, warning that they would deprive migrants of their inherent dignity. In a letter to U.S. bishops, Francis also appeared to respond to Vance directly for having claimed that Catholic doctrine justified such policies.

Raven123

(6,604 posts)
3. I won't speculate on the reason Pope Francis did not meet with Vance
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 07:06 PM
Saturday

But at least Vance did not get a photo opportunity that he could manipulate.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,785 posts)
6. He was showing his disdain for Shady
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 09:08 PM
Saturday

by sending his second in command. And Shady was basically scolded by the second in command, also. Not that he would admit it or anything...

Raven123

(6,604 posts)
8. I read a report stating the Pope met with Vance privately and briefly.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:51 AM
Sunday

No photo op. Good. I doubt his words will impact the policies of Vance and company.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,785 posts)
9. Of course they won't
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 03:31 PM
Sunday

I don't think Shady believes the Pope is a legitimate authority anyway. It was all show.

Cirsium

(2,339 posts)
5. That is interesting
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 08:09 PM
Saturday

I didn't know that Vance we yet another right wing convert to Catholicism.

Catholic celebrity converts and their political agendas

This morning, Vanity Fair published a provocative and insightful article by Kathryn Joyce that delves deep into a growing trend among certain factions of American Catholicism: the embrace and celebration of high-profile right-wing converts to the faith. Joyce explores how figures like Candace Owens, JD Vance, and even potentially Jordan Peterson are becoming the face of a radical, politically motivated strain of Catholicism that is increasingly out of step with Catholic social teaching and Pope Francis’s vision for the Church.

I have long been concerned about the politicization of our faith. Joyce’s article highlights groups like Catholics for Catholics — an organization affiliated with Steve Bannon that promotes a radical political agenda under the guise of Catholic orthodoxy — that elevate these celebrities; not because of their deep commitment to Catholic teaching but because of their ability to draw attention, dollars, and, ultimately, votes.

In many ways this article is a progress report on a resistance movement that began with the election of Pope Francis in March 2013. Joyce, who wrote an article in 2020 on the rise of MAGA and QAnon among US Catholics, shines a light on the evolving alliances between Catholic celebrities and far-right movements within and outside the Church. For instance, Owens’s infamous “Christ is King” slogan—popularized by extremist groups, antisemites, and white nationalist figures like Nick Fuentes—has been embraced by a portion of conservative Catholics, even as it draws condemnation for its association with hate. Meanwhile, other prominent converts like Shia LaBeouf bring their own baggage to the table. “Potential” converts like Tim Ballard and Russell Brand have been welcomed into Catholic circles with open arms after public sex scandals tarnished their reputations elsewhere. Such cases, at least from the outside, seem less like seeking redemption through conversion and more like rebranding for the Catholic market.

Groups like Catholics for Catholics and others are promoting a vision of Catholicism that’s less about living out the Gospel and more about advancing a rigid, nationalist, and exclusionary political ideology. The prominence of Latin Mass enthusiasts, the embrace of Donald Trump, and even the bizarre fantasies about who might convert next (Elon Musk? Joe Rogan?) show just how far this “conversion industrial complex” has veered from the core tenets of Catholicism. This is not the Catholicism of Vatican II, nor is it the Catholicism of Pope Francis. It’s a dangerous distortion that elevates celebrity, political power, and cultural dominance over the Gospel’s call to love, mercy, and service.

https://wherepeteris.com/catholic-celebrity-converts-and-their-political-agendas/

Jilly_in_VA

(11,785 posts)
7. We have a similar problem in Orthodoxy
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 09:14 PM
Saturday

Not so much the Greeks, with which branch I'm affiliated, but the Russians, specifically ROCOR (the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia), which seems to have attracted a lot of right wingers recently, especially young men, which is too bad. Not sure about other churches, but I don't think the Ukrainians have gone that way!

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