and they used it as "justification" (apparently in court arguments).

I have definitely been on the abused side of it. And I’ve also been on the good side where the guy overlooked a few things that could have landed me in some hassle. Now that I’m older and less of a rebel my opinion has tempered. I have several acquaintances that are either active or retired law enforcement. They are far from zealots looking to prove a point. Actually, for the most part, they are just counting down their days to retirement and want the easiest possible glide path. One in particular is a pretty great guy. Hell, he is one of the few left that will still give you a ride home if he has to bust you for a dwi.

With that being said, I go out of my way to avoid contact with any law enforcement.

Anyway, as it applies to this guy. I thought you said his wife’s protection order was fake. I don’t know who to believe. From my light reading it seems like he should have been deported years ago, just not to El Salvador, is that right?

My late brother-in-law exposed a gang of bad cops in his local dept. He went on to become a special investigator for a county DA and put away a LOT of really bad cops in his years of service.

Bad cops are probably the bane of DAs' existence.

And as I note - there is a SUBSET of bad cops out there who need to be dealt with. And you have the leaders of some of their corrupt unions, like FOP Lodge 5 here in Philly and the PBA in NYC, who refuse to weed out their criminal elements.

And I said nothing about any "protection order". The PRIMARY piece of evidence that Bondi, 45, et al, have been putting forward was that "police report" that alleged that he was a "MS-13 gang member", and it was BULLSHIT. I linked to 2 articles that described the cop who wrote it up and what he wrote.

And now you have the purported "President of the United States", sitting in the Oval Office, and displaying a FAKED image to "prove" that this guy was a gang member, is just breathtakingly idiotic.



Stop trying to defend this.

No one would know what his "real story" is as long as a "narrative" is being generated that has presumed him "guilty" and the gullible self-righteous ones accept it.

Meanwhile the wealthiest man in the world who was an "illegal alien" and who is running that idiotic and illegal "DOGE", has not had his illegal citizenship revoked, and then be deported.

NBC News has a "bio" here - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported-el-salvador-trump-immigration-what-know-rcna201708

There is additional info (including the legal aspects, including immigration laws) from George Washington University Law School's Law Review publication - https://www.gwlr.org/kilmar-abrego-garcia/

He literally would have been on the cusp of being eligible for DACA, an E.O. that President Obama issued.

What you call "a hill to die on" is nothing more than entitled supremacist thinking.

It is now about the Constitutional right to due process that Trump has removed for people he doesn't like.

That and ignoring the SCOTUS ruling is an act of treason and insurrection.

He needs to be removed.

He is basically dismantling the Constitution piece by piece and the RWers say that the only way to "remove" him is through "impeachment AND conviction". However the RW majority Senate can't or won't muster the votes to convict and remove. So the emperor is as free as a jaybird AND jailbird.

Even though they think they do. Democrats need to start thinking outside of the box and quit letting the right wing tell them what they can and can't do.

Democratic messaging pales to that of the right wing, but we need to get over that real fast and keep bringing the case to the people.

it may, or may not, be attached??? THIS is "proof"???

That is so fake!! "MS13" looks typed, not tattooed!

What a brainless idiot. That ridiculous photo is only evidence of the complete moron holding it.

I'm surprised he didn't draw that on with his mighty sharpie! JEEZ! What a fugly moron!

How long will it take until he’s NO LONGER in the headlines?

I am BEYOND sick and tired of that bastard. His disappearance can’t happen fast enough OR soon enough for me.

which is why I didn't include any of that in the OP. I cannot stand to look at any image of him and will quickly scroll past any.

Had to stick some in a few posts in this thread as replies though, in order to show what the problem was.

Can you point me to some information supporting the statement "it seems like he should have been deported years ago"??

AFAIK, a court in the USA determined that he should not be deported.

Because we care about the rule of law. Hey may or may not be a great human being. I don't know; I've never met him. What I do know is that he's been denied due process and that's important. Also, the administration deported him in violation of a court order. Bring him back and take the case to court. The chips will fall where they fall.

It’s been hard to find information that hasn’t had a bias confirmation applied to it. So I went with some ai searches. Seems he had plenty of due process. He had an active deportation order. But the government deported him to the one place they weren’t to supposed to. And if he were to come back, he would be immediately deported again to a different place.

Personally, I don’t have any feelings on the matter. From what I’ve read, It doesn’t seem to rise to the constitutional crises that many are trying to sell. I do get the impression this administration is playing fast and loose (that’s being kind) and mistakes are being made across the board.

posting about it. A bit disingenuous, perhaps?

So put aside your " non feelings".
The courts have spoken.
In America, we obey the courts whether we like the decisions or not.

is because the courts (the third branch of government) has told them not to deport people and they are anyway. It is not just this case, it is every action where a court has told them to stop or that they can't do something which they are ignoring - this one is just the most egregious because it also denies the people they deported were denied due process, a right that is part of the constitution.

What would it require for this administration to rise to a constitutional crisis level for you?

Doing a little more research other than FQX!

He wasn’t given his due process. We put people in a concentration camp. The difference between a prison and a concentration camp is that you have a sentence. A concentration camp has no sentence.

Like the judge said "he may be or not be a member of the MS-13 gang but that does not change the fact that he was denied due process.

So anti-American and anti-Christian to lie all the time.

Senator would have access to Garcia? Because, otherwise...

I am becoming cynical.

is the end game for being able to quickly "authenticate" anything. There will need to be some way to forensically verify any "image" or "video" that gets submitted to a court.

In this case (and I made a decision not to add the images because I can't stand looking at the man) the "doctoring" seemed obvious because the lettering is too well-formed and symmetrical to be an actual tattoo.

way to know it has been authenticated.

I kind of look forward to it.

Nah, he would have called in some young techie looking to become a 'made man' for the mob boss.

Link to tweet

I guess the knuckle tattoos are a kind of Rorschach test.

The claim in the link is that wife used an overlay of three red hearts to conceal Abrego's finger tattoos. All of the arm/hand/finger tatts in question are actually on Abrego's left arm. He does not have any tatts on his right arm/hand/fingers. The flipped photo gives the appearance that Abrego's tatts are on his right arm/hand/fingers.

Again, the claim in the second link is that the wife used the hearts overlay to conceal the tatts on Abrego's fingers.

I saw Trump on there saying how the mom had a protective order from him a couple years back.
Trump also said he was pulled over transporting immigrants from Texas to Maryland.
+more

Maybe it's all lies and propaganda, but he spreads it on Fox and if we can't get Garcia back for due process in court, where the truth comes out and where they can't prove it,
then Fox viewers are going with Trumps version.
This was in just two minutes that I watched Fox and you know it's on repeat 24/7.

Will we have egg on our face if any one thing Trump says turns out to be true?
Does anyone know if his wife had a protective order on him at any time?

Do not cede the narrative to them. The point here, is the lawlessness. It is about constitutional rights for all of us. Like the Bible, RWers pick and choose what they want to obey. He has a right to due process, period. That’s the point.

The place to prove your case is in court. Not on Fox.
If you have evidence that he committed a crime, take it to court. Furthermore, he had a court order that said he should not be sent to El Salvador. He came here to escape the gangs there.

The Govt admitted in court that he was sent in error.
Any other argument they present is invalid.
Are we nation of laws or not? Does the constitution matter or not?

That is not a hard argument to make. Even some MAGA folks acknowledge that all of these folks have a right to due process.

He was never charged with anything that they are accusing him of. If they have evidence, take it to court.

We are living in the Twilight Zone.

I question if they brazenly do this on purpose, so when some whiteblower reveals something about Trump admin, they can scream "FAKE NEWS!"...when its not.

Especially a photo. But easy enough to prove it's a lie when comparing the photo to the actual person being accused. Therfore, they aren't retrieving him as ordered. If they were telling the truth he would have been here already. And if they're lying about him then, what about the others. Everything falls apart.
They're truly evil but lucky for us they're even more incompetent which may give the kidnapped a chance of rescue.

Trump's plan was to deport a lot of people fast, take their pictures and show his base how tough he is. Now, little Donnie is learning a lesson about due process.

This makes little Donnie upset. And, when little Donnie gets upset he obsesses on what it is that makes him upset.

Kind of like how he obsessed over Obama's crowd sizes.

The Founders made that clear in the Constitution.

If Trump was a real American president, one who promoted and defended the Constitution, he would promote this basic American principle.

Instead, he promotes the tyrannical idea that he has the right to incarcerate people based on tattoos.

Well, in a free America, that tattoo is proof of nothing if there is no crime to go with it.

Seriously, if it were a real photo, they would have presented it weeks ago rather than waiting till now.

around the M, S, 1, and 3. It’s not even a good photoshop.

This idiot can't even tell the truth about today's wether while standing in front of a large picture window.

... and the photo is just showing the decoding: A marijuana leaf = M, a smiley face = S, a cross = I (?), and a skull = 3 (??).

But it doesn't matter; the point remains that while accusing the court of usurping his authority to conduct foreign affairs, King Dunning-Kruger is the one usurping the power of a judge and a citizen jury to decide Garcia's guilt or innocence.

to confirm them as being white supremacists.

MS13 members with these then, right?

They think that because they use stuff like 88=HH=Heil ****** that other people must too.

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The characters “MS13” have 100% been added to the photograph. That is simply not in question. However, I don’t think they’ve been added for the reason everyone thinks.

To my eye — someone who has used Photoshop for 25 years at this point — the addition is way too obvious — I think the letters have been added to suggest that the marijuana leaf stands for “M”, the smiley face stands for “S”, the cross stands for “1” and the skull stands for “3”. In others words, they’re saying “marijuana smiley face cross skull” is code for “MS13”.

BUT that sounds pretty dumb, so they’re trying to have their cake and eat it too. The image has been Photoshopped in such a way that it could easily fool people who don’t look closely into thinking those characters are part of the tattoo. That’s been done on purpose too. If they’d wanted to, they could have made it much clearer that they’re saying the tattoos represent the characters. Instead, they’ve Photoshopped it in a way that will be deliberately confusing to a lot of people.

In other words this is classic Trump/MAGA behavior — make up a blatantly obvious lie, but give yourself just enough wiggle room so that when you are called on it, you can say “Duh, that’s obviously not what we meant” and then accuse your accusers of being stupid.

Meanwhile the doctored photo continues to make its way around the internet, fooling people who can’t tell it’s Photoshopped into thinking that the dude really does have the letters “MS13” tattooed on his hand.

These people really are garbage. Is there even any evidence that that is a picture of Abrego Garcia’s hand, and not somebody else?

but fortunately, Van Hollen was able to see him and some photographs that actually showed his hand, were taken and posted -

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4usmserhjqkvhldgedfjb3jw/post/3ln4nukrtg22y

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Matt Novak‬ ‪@paleofuture.bsky.social‬
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Trump just posted a photo of himself holding up a piece of paper claiming to show tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia that are related to MS-13. The paper he’s holding up has been digitally altered to add the characters MS-13.

The claim comes from neo-Nazis on X who say the tattoos cover up “MS-13.”


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Matt Novak
‪@paleofuture.bsky.social‬
"The tattoo speculation started swirling after US Attorney General Pam Bondi released documents earlier this week alleging Abrego Garcia was an active MS-13 member [...] The documents, though, don’t make any mention of Abrego Garcia brandishing any MS-13-affiliated tattoos."
Deported alleged gangbanger Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s ‘MS-13 tattoos’ light up social media with theories
Speculation regarding his supposed gang-related ink went into overdrive after photos emerged online of Abrego Garcia sitting down with Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen in El Salvador on Thursday.
nypost.com
April 18, 2025 at 6:22 PM

Not here:

Link to tweet

It means: What would Jesus do?

amirite?

Maybe put numbers on his arm.

Yes, this is where America is right now.

THERE HAS TO BE A CRIME AND DUE PROCESS IN ORDER TO INCARCERATE SOMEONE!

And, incarcerating people in another country doesn't count!

1 - He was denied his right to due process. So anything after that is moot. Remember, the 1/6 gang all were charged and tried in court.
2 - The original report on Garcia said, "no gang affiliation". Then Bondi created this report to justify the illegal action. Garcia's citizenship was approved in 2019 (under Trump) and he reported in every year, and his report shows he stayed legit.
3 - Trump paid 4 million to detain him. and promised some 15 million to pay for jailing the deportees. You think Trump will keep his promise?
4 - And, yes, this is a poor photoshop. This is the only "photo" of his hands that show these markings.
5 - Remember - Trump lies all the time.

And to end this charade, here is a link to a photo of Garcia, and you can easily see the lack of "proof", on his hand

https://www.reddit.com/r/goodnews/comments/1k2g5ir/chris_van_hollen_says_kilmar_abrego_garcia_has/#lightbox

Send MAGATs to that El Salvador prison since tattoos are proof they are gang members.

This sounds like the "proof" that COVID vaccines make you magnetic with microchips implanted in your arm.

with brutality since 85% of Singaporeans are originally from China and Singapore uses Mandarin as one of its official languages.

They used the pretense of going after criminals to justify their brutality, other than attacking intellectuals, was the fact that the Japanese believed tattoos were inherent evidence of "gang membership."

Males between 18 and 50 were "screened." Any one with tattoos was singled out immediately for execution.

Amazing how this Orange asshole does the same thing.

When questioned, always double down. Never apologize. Never back down.

you don't have a point.

Trump shows a photograph of the guy with a thought balloon over his head.

It reads 'I am a MS-13 member!'

First you do whatever you want, then if someone asks questions, you make up the reasons later.

Right, Donald, right Beni?

Wouldn’t the president’s (gag) involvement presenting a doctored photo on social media constitute a mistrial?

I didn’t watch Perry Mason all those years for nuttin’ - I practically got my law degree!

I am seriously looking for a time warp to fox this mess.

We're those "tattoos" made with Sharpies?

Second of all: what in hell difference would it make if it weren't?

Trump violated the US Constitution, broke the law, and put in jeopardy the rights of everyone living in America when he hustled these men to a foreign prison without a hearing. And he speaks of removing the "homegrown" next. And if you think by "homegrown" he means only criminals, rapists, murderers, street thugs* you are wrong. The "homegrown" he speaks of are you and me

The FOURTH AMMENDMENT didn't include an exception for hand tattoos -- or membership in gangs, as a matter of fact. But by violating it so repulsively openly, Trump's message to all of us is we better watch what we say, do, read, write, and sing -- and remember everyone is guilty until and unless they can prove loyalty to Trump.

It's indicating what the 4 symbols stand for.

I haven't seen any MS13 experts analyze the tats to know if they're authentic MS13 or not.

But that is not how herr fuhrer has been promoting it and MAGats don't "think". He has basically said - "See???? 'MS-13'" (sending out a post that includes him holding up a zoom-in of the hand with "M S 1 3" emblazoned across the fingers above the symbols).

Obviously the original would tell, but I haven't seen it yet.

They were not says that's what was on his hand. They did a horrible job explaining. They should of had a little boxes with an arrow pointing to each tattoo. Anyway, tattoos do not mean anything, the dude came to our country when he was like 14 years old to escape gangs. They can say the tattoos mean whatever they want, doesn't make it true.

As I noted upthread - WE may know that but their whole shtick is NOT for OUR consumption. It is red meat nonsense for the MAGat base because it is being promoted as "See???? It says it right there" (with close-up of image of the hand), and they accept everything he says and posts.

I.e., it got passed around the RW loonosphere as "proof".

Sometimes "WE" need to start calling out how they generate propaganda like this instead of assuming that "WE" don't get it.

this is the same bigot: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york