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BumRushDaShow

(151,125 posts)
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:28 PM Friday

Trump Officials Blame Mistake for Setting Off Confrontation With Harvard

Source: New York Times

April 18, 2025, 9:10 p.m. ET


Harvard University received an emailed letter from the Trump administration last Friday that included a series of demands about hiring, admissions and curriculum so onerous that school officials decided they had no choice but to take on the White House. The university announced its intentions on Monday, setting off a tectonic battle between one of the country’s most prestigious universities and a U.S. president. Then, almost immediately, came a frantic call from a Trump official.

The April 11 letter from the White House’s task force on antisemitism, this official told Harvard, should not have been sent and was “unauthorized,” two people familiar with the matter said. The letter was sent by the acting general counsel of the Department of Health and Human Services, Sean Keveney, according to three other people, who were briefed on the matter. Mr. Keveney is a member of the antisemitism task force.

It is unclear what prompted the letter to be sent last Friday. Its content was authentic, the three people said, but there were differing accounts inside the administration of how it had been mishandled. Some people at the White House believed it had been sent prematurely, according to the three people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about internal discussions. Others in the administration thought it had been meant to be circulated among the task force members rather than sent to Harvard.

But its timing was consequential. The letter arrived when Harvard officials believed they could still avert a confrontation with President Trump. Over the previous two weeks, Harvard and the task force had engaged in a dialogue. But the letter’s demands were so extreme that Harvard concluded that a deal would ultimately be impossible. After Harvard publicly repudiated the demands, the Trump administration raised the pressure, freezing billions in federal funding to the school and warning that its tax-exempt status was in jeopardy.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/business/trump-harvard-letter-mistake.html



Did someone pull a BIG "string" (rope/chain)?

(I have 1 gift link left on the NYT and still have just under 1/2 of the month to go, so if any still subbed would be willing do the honors... )
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Trump Officials Blame Mistake for Setting Off Confrontation With Harvard (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Friday OP
Always blaming others... Lovie777 Friday #1
The fact that they just BLINKED in a big way BumRushDaShow Friday #2
Non paywall link UpInArms Friday #3
Thank you! BumRushDaShow Saturday #23
Good grief. The right hand doesn't know what the Sieg Heil hand is doing? tanyev Friday #4
Not to nitpick... TommyT139 Friday #15
Yeah, I figured someone would call me out on that. :) tanyev Friday #17
Totally... TommyT139 Saturday #21
Their cover story about Keveney is bullshit, proven by the fact that they ESCALATED after. Bernardo de La Paz Friday #5
That, or they (especially Trump) are so full of themselves that any pushback is taken as insolent resistance muriel_volestrangler Saturday #24
It's only a "mistake" because Harvard dared not to immediately obey like the fascist idiots assumed they would. Karasu Friday #6
Exactly so. VASTLY important development. (nt) Paladin Friday #9
Every time they get push back they come up with some bs story CanonRay Friday #7
Consequential letters don't get sent by mistake. bucolic_frolic Friday #8
Well, that was a record for a backdown by Trump. Proof that bullies always back down when confronted. Martin68 Friday #10
First of all... sheshe2 Friday #11
Somebody on high BumRushDaShow Friday #13
I didn't know Jr was still around.🤪 sheshe2 Friday #14
It was just sent earlier then the administration planned. Jacson6 Friday #12
They can't even fash effectively TommyT139 Friday #16
Harvard and now others have put ol trumpy boy's back against the wall. big 10 conference forms pack to fight trump PortTack Friday #18
Incompetence Iamscrewed Saturday #19
The Bozo Administration Prairie Gates Saturday #20
Draft letters are not signed. This letter was not an "oopsie." Trump escalated immediately. nt SunSeeker Saturday #22
This is such BS people Saturday #25
So... have they called off the IRS C_U_L8R Saturday #26
Same right wing thinking as when they say something bigoted, then say "I was only joking" when called on it. unblock Saturday #27
Maddow Blog-Trump's Harvard fiasco underscores the White House's incompetence crisis LetMyPeopleVote Monday #28

BumRushDaShow

(151,125 posts)
2. The fact that they just BLINKED in a big way
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:32 PM
Friday

which they haven't done with any of the other schools, is notable...

TommyT139

(1,258 posts)
15. Not to nitpick...
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:24 PM
Friday

The right hand is the Siege Heil hand.

I bet their left hands are trying -- insufficiently -- to cover their asses.

tanyev

(46,159 posts)
17. Yeah, I figured someone would call me out on that. :)
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:32 PM
Friday

It just seems like they’ve so vilified the word left amongst themselves that I’d be surprised if any of them were willing to admit they had a left hand.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,818 posts)
5. Their cover story about Keveney is bullshit, proven by the fact that they ESCALATED after.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:41 PM
Friday

As is famously quoted: When they show you their true selves the first time, believe them.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,478 posts)
24. That, or they (especially Trump) are so full of themselves that any pushback is taken as insolent resistance
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 05:06 AM
Saturday

and a personal insult that has to be crushed with retaliation and escalation. They refuse to say "OK, we went a little far". They are happy with trying to control all universities, of course, so escalation is no problem for them.

Karasu

(978 posts)
6. It's only a "mistake" because Harvard dared not to immediately obey like the fascist idiots assumed they would.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:42 PM
Friday

bucolic_frolic

(49,926 posts)
8. Consequential letters don't get sent by mistake.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:47 PM
Friday

They're characterizing it as a mistake because they've been whooped.

Martin68

(25,509 posts)
10. Well, that was a record for a backdown by Trump. Proof that bullies always back down when confronted.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:57 PM
Friday

Trump could never have defeated Harvard for a multitude of reasons.

sheshe2

(91,472 posts)
11. First of all...
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:01 PM
Friday

Sean Keveney was just tossed under the bus for the authentic letter that was sent out unauthorized. It seems to have been a 'premature ejaculation' of said letter according to the three people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak of the authenticity of the authentic letter.

Have I got this right?!

I feel like I am watching a Three Stooges movie.

BumRushDaShow

(151,125 posts)
13. Somebody on high
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:05 PM
Friday

flashed a light so bright into the White House that even the stoned-out druggies in there "blinked".

Jacson6

(1,153 posts)
12. It was just sent earlier then the administration planned.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:04 PM
Friday

They will carry out their anti-college education program shortly.

TommyT139

(1,258 posts)
16. They can't even fash effectively
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:29 PM
Friday

If you think about it, it may have been unwise to send the letter on Friday, because that gave the President and Fellows all weekend to start lining up ducks and come to a decision.

PortTack

(35,572 posts)
18. Harvard and now others have put ol trumpy boy's back against the wall. big 10 conference forms pack to fight trump
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:22 PM
Friday
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5255943-big-10-universities-trump-rutgers-nebraska-michigan-state/

The big ten conference combined endowment will allow them to take on these fools and squash whatever they throw at them. If they cannot control the universities…they’ve got a big problem!

Unify to deny and shut down! Discussed by Dr. Tim Snyder. We are strong when we unite like this. They will try and take away their tax exemptions, but that’s a non starter. They also know if they pass legislation to such the churches will have to stop the political pulpit or be included in the loss of their tax exemptions.

Prairie Gates

(4,907 posts)
20. The Bozo Administration
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:17 AM
Saturday

That sound you hear is a combination of bicycle horns and giant shoes stepping on their own dicks.

SunSeeker

(55,496 posts)
22. Draft letters are not signed. This letter was not an "oopsie." Trump escalated immediately. nt
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 01:42 AM
Saturday

people

(774 posts)
25. This is such BS
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:34 PM
Saturday

Why did Trump and IRS say just a day or two ago that they are looking into revoking Harvard's tax status if this was all a mistake? They look like complete fools.

C_U_L8R

(47,149 posts)
26. So... have they called off the IRS
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:39 PM
Saturday

and all their other stupid demands??

Doubt it. This is yet another cheap PR ploy by Trump to take the heat off himself for his idiotic bumblefucks.

unblock

(55,017 posts)
27. Same right wing thinking as when they say something bigoted, then say "I was only joking" when called on it.
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:58 PM
Saturday

Still, never an apology.

In fact, they doubled down, because that's what they do.


Regardless, it was only a "mistake" in terms of tactics. This administration isn't saying it was a mistake to shake down Harvard, to threaten them, to make them pay, to extract promises, and to intimidate them into restricting speech they don't approve of, etc.

The only "mistake" was sending the letter, maybe too soon, maybe demanding too much, whatever. Some of the details were a mistake, but they're not saying the point of the whole shakedown was a mistake.

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,888 posts)
28. Maddow Blog-Trump's Harvard fiasco underscores the White House's incompetence crisis
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 08:24 PM
Monday
UPDATE (April 21, 2025, 6:15 p.m. ET): On Monday, Harvard University filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration, with the school’s president warning that “the consequences of the government’s overreach will be severe and long-lasting.”

Just when it seemed the White House’s Harvard mess couldn’t get worse, it appears Team Trump didn’t intend to send its original set of outlandish demands.
https://bsky.app/profile/jimrissmiller.bsky.social/post/3lndv4tezbk2p


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-harvard-fiasco-underscores-white-houses-incompetence-crisis-rcna202124

It started with a weird letter. On April 11, Harvard University officials received a series of outlandish written demands from the Trump administration, including a “request” to install outside auditors who would monitor the school’s academic departments.

The university realized that failure to comply with the ridiculous demands would result in governmental punishment. But left with little choice, Harvard balked anyway.

The retaliation was swift: Immediately after Harvard said it would not comply with the apparent extortion attempt, the Trump administration froze $2.2 billion in multiyear grants to Harvard. (There are federal requirements in place when imposing financial penalties like these, and the Republican White House appears to have ignored those requirements.) The Department of Homeland Security secretary also canceled nearly $3 million in agency grants to Harvard, and at Trump’s behest the IRS reportedly began scrutinizing the university’s tax-exempt status.

But what if the match that lit this fuse was dropped in error? The New York Times, citing multiple sources, reported that the original letter to Harvard “should not have been sent” and was “unauthorized.”

Its content was authentic, the three people said, but there were differing accounts inside the administration of how it had been mishandled. Some people at the White House believed it had been sent prematurely, according to the three people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about internal discussions. Others in the administration thought it had been meant to be circulated among the task force members rather than sent to Harvard.

If the administration’s letter “should not have been sent,” was the White House prepared to retract it? Actually, no: Not only did a senior White House official tell the Times that the administration was standing by the letter, the same official went on the record to say it was “malpractice” for Harvard’s lawyers not to call administration officials about the contents of the ridiculous letter......

Alas, we can keep going. When Donald Trump and his team disclosed Social Security numbers while releasing documents related to the John F. Kennedy assassination, it was a reminder that this White House has a competence problem. When the president and his team sent non-criminals to a prison in El Salvador while falsely claiming that they were gang members, it was a reminder that this White House has a competence problem.

When Team Trump’s DOGE operation repeatedly stepped on its own tail, including an instance in which it confused $8 billion and $8 million, it was a reminder that this administration has a competence problem. When the White House royally screwed up its Office of Management and Budget spending “freeze” memo, it was a reminder that it has a competence problem.

The common thread tying together too many of the developments surrounding Trump’s White House: These guys just don’t seem to have any idea what they’re doing.
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