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BumRushDaShow

(151,129 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:58 PM Apr 10

House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections

Source: NBC News

April 10, 2025, 11:28 AM EDT


WASHINGTON — The House passed a bill Thursday that would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections in an effort to codify one of President Donald Trump's executive actions from his second term. Lawmakers approved the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act in a 220-208 vote, with four Democrats joining every Republican present in support of the measure.

The legislation, sponsored by Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, would amend the National Voter Registration Act so that states would be required to obtain proof of citizenship in person from people who are registering to vote.

It would also require states to establish a program to remove undocumented immigrants from existing voter rolls and would allow American citizens to sue election officials that don't follow proof of citizenship requirements. Election officials and voting rights advocates have warned that the SAVE Act would disenfranchise eligible voters who don’t have easy access to identification documents.

It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections and the practice occurs rarely. Federal law requires that voters registering to vote swear under penalty of perjury that they are citizens and eligible to vote. And registering to vote and casting a ballot leaves a paper trail that elected officials are required by law to routinely review. Courts have blocked states from adding documentary proof-of-citizenship requirements for voters in federal races.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-passes-bill-requiring-proof-citizenship-vote-federal-elections-rcna200586



Roll Call. The 4 Democrats who voted for it (I guessed 2 right off) - https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025102?Page=2

Case Democratic Hawaii Yea
Cuellar Democratic Texas Yea
Golden (ME) Democratic Maine Yea
Perez Democratic Washington Yea
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House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 10 OP
We'll have elections in 2026, but there will be a heavy thumb on the scale HereForTheParty Apr 10 #1
An Iron Fist on the scale thought crime Apr 10 #17
They really want revenge for 2020, don't they? Initech Apr 10 #2
The Dems actually will need to support this, but.... Falcon101 Apr 10 #3
Wow your REAL ID doesn't even count? That is freaking terrible and stupid. AZJonnie Apr 10 #6
The Guardian says Real IDs that indicate if the applicant is a U.S. Citizen will work - but most don't. Earthrise Apr 10 #11
You have to provide your birth certificate Deminpenn Apr 10 #13
Also picture IDs? thought crime Apr 10 #18
No you don't have to have a photo ID to get a REAL ID, technically AZJonnie Apr 10 #22
PennDOT also does the photo IDs Deminpenn Apr 10 #31
WATCH: What to know about REAL ID and when you'll need it - PBS NewsHour: Rhiannon12866 Apr 10 #33
We have seen the last fair and meaningful election in US history Miguelito Loveless Apr 10 #4
To vote you have to be a registered voter and to be that you have to be a U.S. citizen for all Federal Elections Botany Apr 10 #5
Whenever the Gop are in trouble, they always make it harder to vote Mr. Sparkle Apr 10 #7
Next week/month Republicans will be voting to BAN voting by mail in Federal elections Bengus81 Apr 10 #23
They know they have to cheat to "win" Rhiannon12866 Apr 10 #32
The 4 Dems who voted for this should be primaried! LostOne4Ever Apr 10 #8
Especially the female one, Marie G Perez, WA-3 IzzaNuDay Apr 10 #24
DOA in the Senate? maxsolomon Apr 10 #9
Yeah Polybius Apr 10 #15
You didn't get blasted by me. maxsolomon Apr 10 #20
Then you can reimburse me for expenses and time otchmoson Apr 10 #10
I'm thinking lots of over seas ballots are gonna be thrown out. bluestarone Apr 10 #12
How many undocumented immigrants are on LoisB Apr 10 #14
No matter...looks like deportation is part of the plan. n/t BadgerKid Apr 10 #16
I still don't know why Buffet or Cuban, or Gates, Oprah.... don't fund an ID supply drive LiberalLovinLug Apr 10 #19
Similarly, I was just thinking about asking my local party what we can do to help people ... Alice B. Apr 10 #26
Quick Republicans...show us all the thousands/millions of illegals caught voting. Bengus81 Apr 10 #21
Maddow Blog-House Republicans pass the 'SAVE Act,' which is a solution in search of a problem LetMyPeopleVote Apr 10 #25
Papers please. Birth certificate, passport, Real ID not good enough bucolic_frolic Apr 10 #27
Marc Elias on House republicans trying try disenfranchise millions of voters LetMyPeopleVote Apr 10 #28
Marc Elias on House republicans trying try disenfranchise millions of voters LetMyPeopleVote Apr 10 #29
I don't get it Bluestocking Apr 10 #30
No Polybius Apr 10 #34

Initech

(104,536 posts)
2. They really want revenge for 2020, don't they?
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:06 PM
Apr 10

HEY MAGA - THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY!!! And Trump is not entitled to power no matter how much his shitty ass kissing propaganda channels convince him that he is.

Falcon101

(44 posts)
3. The Dems actually will need to support this, but....
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:08 PM
Apr 10

If we do not support the act, the future commercials will be that the Dems want non-citizens to vote. I realize all the bad items of this bill such as the problem with married women. However, how about we support it but speak loudly about how to prove citizenship. For example, using a read ID as proof is not allowed which is nonsensical because the real ID proves citizenship. How about making birth certificate copies free for this purpose? How about allowing marriage certificates as proof (again not allowed under the legislation)? How about making passports free for this purpose? If we address the law from the angle of what is acceptable proof, I would believe that it we can get some traction. Afterall, the law applies to GOP voters registering as well.

AZJonnie

(721 posts)
6. Wow your REAL ID doesn't even count? That is freaking terrible and stupid.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:27 PM
Apr 10

Last edited Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

That was the whole point of REAL ID is that it involves proving your citizenship, and honestly at least here in AZ? It is MORE trouble to get than a passport. I forget offhand what the difference about it was cause it's been years but I did both a new (not a renewal) passport and REAL ID at the same time. Since that was done through the state though the state should be able to just say 'okay, you're good to go because we issued you REAL ID'. That is some BS if what you're saying is true.

EDIT: Actually I looked it up and I was wrong. Permanent Legal Residents can get REAL ID's but this doesn't confer voting rights. Just lets you get on planes (when/if that law is actually enforced) and enter certain federal buildings.

Earthrise

(15,733 posts)
11. The Guardian says Real IDs that indicate if the applicant is a U.S. Citizen will work - but most don't.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:48 PM
Apr 10

The bill, sponsored by the Texas Republican Chip Roy, calls for people who register to vote or update their registration to show documentary proof of citizenship, which could be a passport or birth certificate. While the bill says Real IDs, which have enhanced security standards, could be used if they indicate whether the applicant is a US citizen, these IDs ordinarily do not include that information, and lawful residents who are not citizens and ineligible to vote can still get Real IDs.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/10/safeguard-american-voter-act-house-bill

Deminpenn

(16,744 posts)
13. You have to provide your birth certificate
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:14 PM
Apr 10

to get a Real ID. Further, at least in PA, all the documents are scanned into a state/PENNDOT database. The state could easily match the real ID data with voter roles before sending them out.

AZJonnie

(721 posts)
22. No you don't have to have a photo ID to get a REAL ID, technically
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:06 PM
Apr 10
A "REAL ID" is a type of identification card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) in the United States. It's designed to comply with the federal REAL ID Act, which was passed in 2005.

Here are the key features and requirements:

What does REAL ID stand for?

REAL ID stands for "Real ID Act," named after the bill that mandated states to issue secure identification cards that meet national standards.

Who needs a REAL ID?

If you're planning to travel by air within the United States, you'll need to present a valid government-issued photo ID at airport security checkpoints. A REAL ID is one of the accepted forms of identification for domestic air travel.

Additionally, if you want to board a commercial flight or access federal facilities and nuclear power plants, you may need a REAL ID-compliant card.

What are the requirements?

To obtain a REAL ID-compliant card, you'll typically need to provide:

Proof of identity (e.g., U.S. passport, birth certificate, or valid permanent resident card)
Proof of Social Security number (e.g., W-2 form, tax return, or Social Security card)
Two proofs of residency (e.g., utility bills, lease agreement, or bank statement)

What's different about a REAL ID?

A REAL ID-compliant card has several distinguishing features:

Gold star : The card will have a gold star in the upper right corner, indicating it meets federal standards.
Enhanced security features : The card includes advanced security features, such as holograms, watermarks, or microprinting.
No expiration date : Unlike regular driver's licenses and state ID cards, REAL IDs do not expire.
Federal database verification : The card is verified against federal databases to ensure the individual's identity.

When will I need a REAL ID?

The deadline for obtaining a REAL ID-compliant card varies by state. Some states began issuing REAL IDs in 2018, while others have delayed implementation. Generally, it's recommended that you obtain a REAL ID if:

You're planning to travel by air within the United States.
You work in a profession that requires frequent access to federal facilities or nuclear power plants.
Your current driver's license or state ID is set to expire.
Can I still use my existing ID?

If you don't need a REAL ID for domestic air travel or other specific purposes, your existing driver's license or state ID will still be valid for driving and other everyday activities.

However, if you're unsure about the requirements or your specific situation, it's always best to consult with your state's DMV or a trusted authority on identification documents.


The answer appears to be 'no' you don't explicitly need a photo-id to get a REAL ID, though for the vast majority of people, it's really just an add-on status to your existing DL or State ID card, where you get a gold star in the upper right that means 'you're confirmed to be a citizen or permanent legal resident'. However permanent legal resident's don't have Federal voting rights so this is likely why REAL ID is not considered 'good enough' unless it has some special 'citizen-specific' markings, which can vary by state apparently

Deminpenn

(16,744 posts)
31. PennDOT also does the photo IDs
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 08:12 PM
Apr 10

I think it's the same process to get a real ID on a photo ID

Miguelito Loveless

(4,913 posts)
4. We have seen the last fair and meaningful election in US history
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:08 PM
Apr 10

trump is never leaving, until his arteries clog.

Botany

(73,913 posts)
5. To vote you have to be a registered voter and to be that you have to be a U.S. citizen for all Federal Elections
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:09 PM
Apr 10

In very few local and or state elections you don’t have to be a U.S. citizen. If the Republican’s ideas
were actually popular that wouldn’t have to make it so hard to vote. This is a meaningless gesture
except it will give GOP workers an opportunity to challenge somebody’s right to vote.

Bengus81

(8,706 posts)
23. Next week/month Republicans will be voting to BAN voting by mail in Federal elections
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:13 PM
Apr 10

by anyone living in the United States on election day. It ain't if,it's when.

LostOne4Ever

(9,651 posts)
8. The 4 Dems who voted for this should be primaried!
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:06 PM
Apr 10

This will strip numerous women of their right to vote!!!

IzzaNuDay

(944 posts)
24. Especially the female one, Marie G Perez, WA-3
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:17 PM
Apr 10

I’ll gladly support her opponent. MGP also voted to censure Rep. Al Green after he spoke out at the joint congressional session with the dotard.

Polybius

(19,800 posts)
15. Yeah
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:35 PM
Apr 10

It will certainly be filibustered. I got blasted here two years ago for saying that Democrats shouldn't get rid of the filibuster. Turns out I was right.

otchmoson

(105 posts)
10. Then you can reimburse me for expenses and time
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:14 PM
Apr 10

I've already jumped through hoops to get my Real ID . . . birth certificate, proof of residency (electric bill), drivers' license, social security, etc. I was younger, then, and I resent like hell having to jump through hoops AGAIN. My mobility is less . . . and my patience is certainly wearing thin. My voter registration and current driver's license should be enough! If they want me to locate my marriage certificate, my original s/s card, my "new" s/s card (from 60-years-ago marriage) to validate change in name, and my birth certificate, and present them in person to some to-be-named official--I want reimbursement for the time and expense involved. If these elected officials (who truly do have cushy jobs can) can run us ragged chasing every new rule change they impose, let the government pay for it.

bluestarone

(19,625 posts)
12. I'm thinking lots of over seas ballots are gonna be thrown out.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:55 PM
Apr 10

i see their plan. MAIL IN BALLOTS!!!!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,420 posts)
19. I still don't know why Buffet or Cuban, or Gates, Oprah.... don't fund an ID supply drive
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:08 PM
Apr 10

Especially for Swing States. Offer help to apply, do the paperwork, and to fund the costs for poorer voters, offer transportation if required. I'm sure any R governors would try and outlaw it, but can it be illegal to help promote the "world's greatest democracy"?

Alice B.

(482 posts)
26. Similarly, I was just thinking about asking my local party what we can do to help people ...
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:31 PM
Apr 10

nt

Bengus81

(8,706 posts)
21. Quick Republicans...show us all the thousands/millions of illegals caught voting.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:01 PM
Apr 10

All I ever see,who WERE caught are Republicans voting for their dead mother who claims how much she loved Trump. They don't care about legalities in voting,they just want to make it constantly harder and harder to vote.

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,904 posts)
25. Maddow Blog-House Republicans pass the 'SAVE Act,' which is a solution in search of a problem
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:29 PM
Apr 10

Last edited Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I volunteer on voting rights/voter protection efforts. Non-citizens do not vote
 
The House GOP majority passed a ban on noncitizen voting, which (a) almost never happens; and (b) is already illegal. It’s worth understanding why.
https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.com/post/3lmiblspuhc2h

The SAVE Act would:
- make it harder for Americans to vote
- address a problem that doesn't exist
- impose new burdens on state election administrators

House Republicans passed it anyway.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/house-republicans-pass-act-solution-search-problem-rcna200681

The GOP duo pitched legislation that would require documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote. The absurdity of watching two notorious election deniers pretend to be deeply concerned with the integrity of elections was a detail the political world was apparently supposed to overlook.

Soon after, House Republicans followed through, introducing the “Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act” (or “SAVE Act”). As NBC News reported, that same bill has now passed the chamber.

The legislation, sponsored by Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, would amend the National Voter Registration Act so that states would be required to obtain proof of citizenship in person from people who are registering to vote. It would also require states to establish a program to remove undocumented immigrants from existing voter rolls and would allow American citizens to sue election officials that don’t follow proof of citizenship requirements.


The measure cleared the chamber on a 220-208 vote, with four Democrats — Reps. Ed Case of Hawaii; Henry Cuellar of Texas; Jared Golden of Maine; and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington — voting with the majority. No GOP members opposed the bill.

The principal concern with the legislation is that it’s a solution in search of a problem. To hear Republicans tell it, policymakers must prevent noncitizens from voting, which probably sounds reasonable. In fact, it’s so reasonable that the SAVE Act is redundant: There are literally zero locations in the United States where noncitizens can vote in federal and/or state elections.

GOP lawmakers have also argued that legislation is needed to curtail the scourge of noncitizens who are already voting. Except, Republicans have gone searching for evidence of this problem and found effectively nothing.....

What’s more, as The Associated Press reported last month, state elections officials — from both parties — have expressed practical concerns about how these costly proposed procedures would be implemented and paid for. The same article added, “Voting rights groups have said married women who have changed their name could have trouble registering under the SAVE Act because their birth certificate lists their maiden name.”....

The bill now heads to the Senate, where Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah is championing a companion bill. The odds of the legislation overcoming a Democratic filibuster, however, are poor. Watch this space.

During the Texas voter id litigation back in 2012, Greg Abbott as AG argued that non-citizens were voting but could provide no evidence of this because non-citizens are too scared to break the law by voting

bucolic_frolic

(49,927 posts)
27. Papers please. Birth certificate, passport, Real ID not good enough
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:34 PM
Apr 10

Have to resubmit to states for additional verification. What will the cost of Voter ID be? How much will we pay? Like Real ID?

Bluestocking

(62 posts)
30. I don't get it
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 07:03 PM
Apr 10

I understand that the only way repubs can steal elections is if they suppress the vote. However, most repub voters are uneducated, poor and stupid so wouldn’t this prevent more repubs from voting than democratic voters?

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