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BumRushDaShow

(151,141 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 09:30 AM Apr 10

White House insists iPhones will be US-made - but Apple calls it a non-starter

Source: The Guardian

Wed 9 Apr 2025 12.07 EDT
Last modified on Wed 9 Apr 2025 21.30 EDT


The White House is insisting that Donald Trump’s vision of Apple’s flagship iPhones being manufactured in the US will come to fruition, despite assertions from analysts and the company itself that it would not be possible.

The press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, told reporters during Tuesday’s briefing that the president believed Apple’s recently announced $500bn investment, as well as increasing import costs sparked by his trade tariffs, would encourage the company to ramp up manufacturing in the US.

“He believes we have the labor, we have the workforce, we have the resources to do it. If Apple didn’t think the US could do it, they probably wouldn’t have put up that big chunk of change,” she said. Trump doubled down on the claim on Wednesday, posting to his Truth Social network that: “This is a great time to move your company into the US, like Apple, and so many others, in record numbers, are doing. “Zero tariffs, and almost immediate electrical/energy hook ups and approvals. No environmental delays.”

The problem, according to experts, including Apple’s chief executive, Tim Cook, and his predecessor, the late Steve Jobs, is that the US does not have the workforce of other nations where the vast majority of its electronics are currently manufactured, such as China, which makes about 85% of iPhones, India and Vietnam.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/09/trump-apple-iphones-made-in-usa

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White House insists iPhones will be US-made - but Apple calls it a non-starter (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 10 OP
We could do it if Apple would just use the child labor and the ICE prisons so they don't have to pay real wages, LiberalArkie Apr 10 #1
I'm beginning to think Trump will never win the Nobel Prize in Economics. sop Apr 10 #2
Imagine though, he can "rebuild" the world economy BootinUp Apr 10 #5
Ya think!🤔 Rebl2 Apr 10 #18
This white house is tripping higher than the price of eggs IronLionZion Apr 10 #3
LOL BumRushDaShow Apr 10 #4
Darn should I put my screwdrivers back? Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 10 #6
"Made in the USA" Phone ... Only $15,000 SomewhereInTheMiddle Apr 10 #7
there must b comparable products. mopinko Apr 10 #9
Tim Cook explains why they can't make iPhones here in this article... thesquanderer Apr 10 #11
Lunatick say millions of americans screwing in tiny little screws Historic NY Apr 10 #8
He forgot to add at miimun wage in a red state Historic NY Apr 10 #10
I've been in more than a few Chinese factories. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 10 #13
Maybe...till you see the nets to keep those workers from jumping out windows to die Bengus81 Apr 10 #14
Chinese New Years is the great factory reset. The labor force moves to those factories that offer better working OAITW r.2.0 Apr 10 #15
I worked in a factory here in the US when I was in High School Historic NY Apr 10 #16
It's a non starter dweller Apr 10 #12
Things we don't make much in the US. Shoes. Clothes. Phones, TVs, cars (just trucks and SUVs). geniuses. twodogsbarking Apr 10 #17
yeah, cool story, bro. nt Javaman Apr 10 #19
Chinese workers assembling iPhones make around $3/hr jgmiller Apr 10 #20
I actually did the math, or my AI did and it comes in around $2K JCMach1 Apr 10 #23
Sounds like what a decent engineering school would look at and say, "Hmmm..." at. Igel Apr 10 #21
I went to my local AT&T store yesterday and bought the latest iPhone version tavernier Apr 10 #22

LiberalArkie

(17,991 posts)
1. We could do it if Apple would just use the child labor and the ICE prisons so they don't have to pay real wages,
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 09:34 AM
Apr 10

just a dollar a day and no benefits.

7. "Made in the USA" Phone ... Only $15,000
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 09:47 AM
Apr 10

Last edited Fri Apr 11, 2025, 03:13 AM - Edit history (1)

It would be funny if Apple or another phone company build phones in the US and demonstrated the cost difference between US built and foreign built.

Building artisanal phones in the US would lose the advantages of economies of scale as well as paying the higher labor and other costs.

No company would be willing to build the large-scale facilities in the US knowing the final cost per unit would be too hight to compete, so we'll likely never see a direct cost comparison.

Still, would MAGA be willing to pay the high cost of a "Made in the USA" phone?

mopinko

(72,300 posts)
9. there must b comparable products.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 09:53 AM
Apr 10

i know this- my ins company paid twice as much for my 1st cpap as i did for my 1st iphone at about the same time.
medical equipment has a much smaller market, and a lot of it is made in china. but i think there r comparable products. is an ultrasound machine as complicated as my phone?

thesquanderer

(12,575 posts)
11. Tim Cook explains why they can't make iPhones here in this article...
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:21 AM
Apr 10
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/apple-ceo-tim-cook-this-is-number-1-reason-we-make-iphones-in-china-its-not-what-you-think.html

Quoting a speech he gave in China...

you find in China the intersection of craftsman kind of skill, and sophisticated robotics and the computer science world. That intersection, which is very rare to find anywhere, that kind of skill, is very important to our business...and the quantity of skill in one location and the type of skill it is.
...
The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the U.S., you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I’m not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields.
...
The vocational expertise is very very deep here, and I give the education system a lot of credit for continuing to push on that even when others were de-emphasizing vocational. Now I think many countries in the world have woke up and said this is a key thing and we’ve got to correct that. China called that right from the beginning.


So basically, the U.S. doesn't have what it needs to produce iPhones in quantity, no matter HOW much you're willing to pay to make it. The people and the skill sets aren't here. Now, maybe if we accepted a lot more immigrants... , But also, from what I read elsewhere, even what we do have is scattered all over the country, whereas in China, as alluded to above ( "in one location" ). there are geographic areas where basically everything a company like Apple needs is located together. Huge numbers of people with the needed skills, and also, the related industries/factories nearby. I guess the kind of thing that comes with central planning.

Simply saying "we'll just pay more for labor, and then we can make it here" doesn't solve these problems.

Historic NY

(38,867 posts)
8. Lunatick say millions of americans screwing in tiny little screws
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 09:53 AM
Apr 10

“Remember the army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little screws to make iPhones? That kind of thing is going to come to America,” Lutnick said.

“It’s going to be automated and great Americans – the tradecraft of America – is going to fix them, is going to work on them.”

OAITW r.2.0

(30,041 posts)
13. I've been in more than a few Chinese factories.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:25 AM
Apr 10

It always amazes me how focused the Chinese workforce is on doing repetitive assembly work. The hand/eye coordination is something to see in action. Most Americans could do this for about 15 minutes before they'd say "Screw this, I'm outta here". If Apple were to build in the US, they'd have to robotize almost the entire assembly process. Don't see that happening.

The US market is pretty well saturated with IPhones anyways. The big growth markets are in India, SE Asia, and Central/South America. I wouldn't expect this administration to understand this, though.

Bengus81

(8,709 posts)
14. Maybe...till you see the nets to keep those workers from jumping out windows to die
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:36 AM
Apr 10

I doubt they want to do that job at that pay but are essentially forced to.

OAITW r.2.0

(30,041 posts)
15. Chinese New Years is the great factory reset. The labor force moves to those factories that offer better working
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:51 AM
Apr 10

conditions. Sure, there are a lot of shitty factories that treat their labor force terribly...but the more enlightened ones treat their labor force much better because they value retaining their workers who are already trained/

Historic NY

(38,867 posts)
16. I worked in a factory here in the US when I was in High School
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:21 AM
Apr 10

The women working the sewing machines, were machines themselves. Mostly older 2nd gen immigration stock variety of nationalities. I recall most like the firehouse bingo ladies (many were) they had their charms on their small work spaces, stacks of pillows to sit on. We made a variety of good but most those travel bags from various airlines around the world.

I used to wheeled pallet of cut materials to keep them stocked. They sure kept me busy.

They were paid piece work. We had a few more places in town that made pocketbooks, coats, and various other thing including perfumes.

Many of my aunts worked in factories from clothes to nuts, bolts, and fasteners. They brought in the little extra income so we could have big family meals and get togethers. Granted todays generations wouldn't do the work, but there are people coming here that would. Pretty soon we will be deporting them and the future for US based manufacturing . Even with automation, there is fit and finish work to be done.

twodogsbarking

(13,414 posts)
17. Things we don't make much in the US. Shoes. Clothes. Phones, TVs, cars (just trucks and SUVs). geniuses.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:22 AM
Apr 10

Lots of other shit.

jgmiller

(542 posts)
20. Chinese workers assembling iPhones make around $3/hr
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:54 PM
Apr 10

Even if Apple only paid minimum wage to US workers doing the same job that would more than double the labor cost of the iPhone. Once you factor in SS taxes and other things like health care, safety, etc. The math does not add up even if you assume the component prices stay the same.

JCMach1

(28,614 posts)
23. I actually did the math, or my AI did and it comes in around $2K
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:56 PM
Apr 10

Apple is being disingenuous here. That don't want to do it, nor do the want to skip out on the cheap AF FoxCon labor.

The cost of the most recent iPhone, the iPhone 15 Pro, if manufactured in America, would be approximately $2,000. This reflects the retail price, incorporating increased labor, component, and logistical costs, consistent with industry estimates for producing both components and assembly domestically.

Igel

(36,719 posts)
21. Sounds like what a decent engineering school would look at and say, "Hmmm..." at.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:08 PM
Apr 10

[Our] products require really advanced tooling. The precision that you have to have in tooling, and working with the materials that we do, are state-of-the-art, and the tooling skill is very deep here.

In the US you could have a meeting of tooling engineers, and I’m not sure we could fill the room. In China you could fill multiple football fields.


Probably requires knowledge and effort, though, so the average class size would be < 1.

tavernier

(13,640 posts)
22. I went to my local AT&T store yesterday and bought the latest iPhone version
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:20 PM
Apr 10

to replace my old eight model. It was time and I wanted to get it done before it would cost me triple the price.

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