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BeyondGeography

(40,424 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 03:15 PM Mar 11

Ukraine willing to accept 30-day ceasefire with Russia as U.S. lifts freeze on aid and intelligence

Source: CBS News

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia — The U.S. and Ukraine said Kyiv would accept a 30-day ceasefire with Russia after talks in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, with Washington pledging to immediately lift a freeze on intelligence sharing and military aid to Ukraine.

"Ukraine expressed readiness to accept the U.S. proposal to enact an immediate, interim 30-day ceasefire, which can be extended by mutual agreement of the parties, and which is subject to acceptance and concurrent implementation by the Russian Federation," the U.S. and Ukraine said in a joint statement released by the State Department. "The United States will communicate to Russia that Russian reciprocity is the key to achieving peace."

The agreement came after more than eight hours of negotiations between Ukrainian officials and a U.S. delegation led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio in the Saudi city of Jeddah. The statement said the U.S. "will immediately lift the pause on intelligence sharing and resume security assistance to Ukraine." Both were frozen in the wake of an explosive meeting between Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Trump at the White House on Feb. 28.

…Whether Russia will support a ceasefire remains to be seen. Steve Witkoff, Mr. Trump's Middle East envoy, will be traveling to the country in the coming days, according to a person familiar with the planning. Witkoff met with Russian President Vladimir Putin for more than three hours in February.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ceasefire-russia-us-talks-saudi-arabia/#

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Ukraine willing to accept 30-day ceasefire with Russia as U.S. lifts freeze on aid and intelligence (Original Post) BeyondGeography Mar 11 OP
Even trump can think that far ahead. Turbineguy Mar 11 #1
30 days to procure fresh meat for the grinder. maxsolomon Mar 11 #2
30 Days... ruet Mar 11 #5
How can Russia & the U.S. be trusted with any peace deal? William769 Mar 11 #3
Neither can be trusted creon Mar 11 #8
Joint statement from the U.S. and Ukraine: LetMyPeopleVote Mar 11 #4
I do not like this deal. creon Mar 11 #9
Not the dumb minerals deal again Diraven Mar 11 #15
Do not trust the US Autumn Mar 11 #6
No way Russia will accept this. Expect a BS blowup from Trump. GreenWave Mar 11 #7
They will probably wait 29 days to decide. bluestarone Mar 11 #11
offset the cost to the US (steal their minerals) eggplant Mar 11 #10
Some reactions from round and about Emrys Mar 11 #12
Calls Russia's bluff. Want peace? OK. paleotn Mar 11 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author GP6971 Mar 11 #14
The only way for there to be peace is for Russia to get the fuck out, including Crimea sakabatou Mar 11 #16
Even the US will not require Russia to get out of Crimea womanofthehills Mar 12 #17
That's a reflection of decades-long genocide and ethnic cleansing Emrys Mar 12 #19
Gives Germany some time to get latest armaments in place in Ukraine Captain Zero Mar 12 #18
TY to Germany. electric_blue68 Mar 12 #20

maxsolomon

(36,378 posts)
2. 30 days to procure fresh meat for the grinder.
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 03:21 PM
Mar 11

30 days to crank out more missiles to shoot at apartment buildings.

Diraven

(1,361 posts)
15. Not the dumb minerals deal again
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 10:53 PM
Mar 11

This is extortion again. We're threatening to continue to withhold intelligence unless Ukraine signs over half a trillion dollars worth of their natural resources. I mean what's to stop Trump from turning around right after that and threatening Ukraine with something else like helping Russia, or just bombing them directly unless they give us another half a trillion?

Emrys

(8,585 posts)
12. Some reactions from round and about
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 07:41 PM
Mar 11
Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa

I received a report from our delegation on their meeting with the American team in Saudi Arabia. The discussion lasted most of the day and was good and constructive—our teams were able to discuss many important details.

Our position remains absolutely clear: Ukraine has been seeking peace from the very first second of this war, and we want to do everything to achieve it as soon as possible and in a reliable way—so that war does not return.

At this meeting with the Americans, Ukraine proposed three key points:
silence in the skies—stopping missile strikes, bombs, and long-range drone attacks; silence at sea; real confidence-building measures in this whole situation, in which diplomacy is ongoing, which primarily means the release of prisoners of war and detainees—both military and civilian—and the return of Ukrainian children who were forcibly transferred to Russia.

The American side understands our arguments and considers our proposals. I am grateful to President Trump for the constructive conversation between our teams.

During today’s talks, the U.S. side proposed taking an even bigger first step—a 30-day full interim ceasefire, not only stopping missile, drone, and bomb attacks, not only in the Black Sea, but also along the entire front line.

Ukraine is ready to accept this proposal—we see it as a positive step and are ready to take it. Now, it is up to the United States to convince Russia to do the same. If Russia agrees, the ceasefire will take effect immediately.


Russian war correspondent Alexander Kots:



Now a few words from Putin's brain:

Alexander Dugin
@AGDugin

Putin will not accept ceasefire as Russia many times clearly said before. Without discussing the conditions of solid peace. Trump this time is wrong. No problem that is politics.


And finally, a couple of OT suggestions, reflecting some sort of concensus:

Alex Cole
@acnewsitics

If Ukraine did attack Twitter, shouldn't Elon just give up half of it for peace?


Richard Woodruff 🇺🇦
@frontlinekit

If Ukraine 🇺🇦 really did attack Twitter, I think the only logical thing is for @elonmusk to sign a cease fire immediately, give them half of Twitter and make sure he says thank you to @POTUS

paleotn

(20,274 posts)
13. Calls Russia's bluff. Want peace? OK.
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 08:01 PM
Mar 11

Lets see if they want peace or not. They don't. Anyone with half a brain knows they don't. Regardless, the positions are lightyears apart so no actual peace is possible right now.

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

womanofthehills

(9,671 posts)
17. Even the US will not require Russia to get out of Crimea
Wed Mar 12, 2025, 03:14 AM
Mar 12

82% of residents of Crimea are Russians.

“According to the article, the population composition in Crimea is as follows:

– 82% Russian
– 10% Crimean Tatar
– 3% Russian and Ukrainian equally”

https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-faq/what-percentage-of-crimea-is-russian/

Emrys

(8,585 posts)
19. That's a reflection of decades-long genocide and ethnic cleansing
Wed Mar 12, 2025, 11:57 AM
Mar 12

Many of the Tatar population moved elsewhere, either for fear of their lives or because they didn't want to be enlisted to oppress and kill their fellow Tatars. Those who've remained have faced various forms of oppression and violence, to the point of murder.

I fail to see why you think trotting out those statistics is somehow a positive for whatever your agenda is, as I pointed all this out the last time you posted those exact same statistics. They're proof of genocide and ethnic cleansing, that's all.

We usually don't think they're a good thing and cheer them on.

And anyway, since when did America get to call all the shots in a country it has expressed no intent of defending? There are other actors involved, and they'll have their say with skin in the game once Trump quits elbowing his way to the front and cosying up to Putin.

Here, this is what I posted in response to you last time, since it doesn't seem to have sunk in (my bold):

Russia repeats genocide on Crimean Tatars

The 80 years since the genocidal deportation of the Crimean Tatar people are not just a tragedy for the Crimean Tatars, but a systemic diagnosis and a historical warning of what Russian imperialism is.

MEP Anna Fotyga, former foreign minister of Poland

The Crimean Tatars are but one of numerous peoples who have suffered from Moscow's expansionist policies over the course of three consecutive centuries. Moscow first deprived the Crimean Tatars of their state territories, and then of their statehood on the Crimean Peninsula and the adjacent regions. These territories are currently witnessing fierce battles for Ukrainian independence.. In the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars, along with Poles and Ukrainians, fell into the hands of Russian imperialism, and the first thing Moscow did was strike at the historical memory of these peoples. The blow to the Crimean Tatars was so profound that by the end of the 19th century, they were on the brink of total extinction.

Even the microscopic presence of Crimean Tatars on the Crimean Peninsula was viewed as an existential, ideological, and historical threat for the Kremlin. Putin's words were not accidental when he said that Crimea is a sacred place for all of Russia. However, it is based on historical lies and omits the fact that less than 6 per cent of Crimea’s written history belongs to the Russian chapter. This short period of 168 years was fulfilled with genocidal policies of the Russian rulers, because in this strategic location there was no place for the indigenous people under tsarist, Soviet rule and likewise for Putin's and any other chauvinistic regime in Russia. As a result, on May 19, 1944, 80 years ago, Moscow organised a mass deportation of the Crimean Tatar people and several other ethnic groups residing on the peninsula. The entire Crimean Tatar people were squeezed into hundreds of enormous kilometer-long trains and moved eastward to Central Asia over 21 days. It was a deliberate decision to annihilate the people of Crimea and the peoples of the North Caucasus, who were also mass-deported that year. During their exile, the Crimean Tatars lost about half of their population.

Immediately after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, the process of complete historical, cultural, and archaeological annihilation of all Crimean Tatars began. 80 per cent of the Crimean Tatar localities were renamed. It was a deliberate and targeted forgetting of the history of Crimea, which was intertwined with the history of its indigenous people. It was exactly what the term genocide defines. We need to say it loudly: Moscow committed genocide on the Crimean Tatars in 1944. This process continued until the end of the USSR, and even after the fall of the empire and the return of the indigenous people to their homeland. Local authorities and pro-Russian forces in Kyiv actively hindered the restoration of the presence of Crimean Tatars in Crimea. The Crimean Tatars and their representative bodies, the Mejlis and the Qurultay, made their historical choice to support a pro-European and pro-Ukrainian future for Ukrainian statehood in the late 1980s and have essentially never deviated from this course. They believed and believed that only in this way could they ensure the revival of their people on their ancestral land.

In the 2000s, a new historical period of flourishing seemed to begin for the Crimean Tatars. Culture, media, art, and much more were developing. It appeared that the Crimean Tatars were given a second chance for historical and, most importantly, political revival. However, Russian imperialism never sleeps and was preparing an act of aggression against Ukraine and the Crimean Tatars. The annexation and occupation of Crimea again placed the Crimean Tatars on the brink of survival. They forced the political leadership and active and talented youth to leave the peninsula because Moscow and the occupying authorities initiated mass persecution of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars for their refusal to accept the new /old occupying power. Since 2014, Crimea is the epicenter of human rights violations in occupied Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have again found themselves on the brink of an existential challenge, as they did in the late 18th century when they were under the occupation of the Russian Empire. Let me just focus on one case. Server Mustafayev was born in 1986 in Uzbekistan. The family later returned to Crimea, specifically to the city of Bakhchisarai. Server finished school in Bakhchisarai and then enrolled in the Bakhchisarai Construction College at the National Agrarian University. He studied at Kyiv National University, specializing in heat and gas supply and ventilation. Afterward, he worked as a manager in communication shops. In 2014 he started to manage a chain of bakeries. He was also active in the community in Bakhchisarai, organizing children’s parties and social events and helping low-income families. He became the coordinator of the public association "Crimean Solidarity”.In May 2018, the occupation authorities searched Mustafayev’s house and arrested the activist. Subsequently, the occupation authorities illegally sentenced him to 14 years in prison for participating in the “activities of a terrorist organization” and “preparing for the violent seizure of power.” The occupiers convicted Server Mustafayev for defending victims of political persecution and reporting on human rights violations in the occupied Crimea. Despite the harsh conditions of his imprisonment, Server remains an activist and is involved in human rights activitie.: Server helped his cellmate reunite with his child, who was taken from him when he was taken to prison. Due to a long stay in the pre-trial detention center, Mustafayev developed heart problems. A similar fate is shared by more than 200 political prisoners from occupied, majority of of whom are Crimean Tatars.

Since February 2022, with the beginning of full-scale aggression against Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have supported the Ukrainian people in their struggle against the Russian aggressor. The mass emigration of Crimean Tatars from Crimea in the autumn of 2022 to many EU countries and Turkey should be seen as a systemic refusal to serve in the occupying forces and shoot civilians. Some Crimean Tatars remain living in Crimea, where they have been deprived of cultural, political, and historical rights, while others are scattered like beads around the world. The Kremlin effectively favours the soft migration of Crimean Tatars beyond the borders of the Russian Federation and Crimea. The situation in other occupied territories in the Donbas and Zaporizhia region demonstrates that the underlying scheme is chauvinism, characterised by genocide and the destruction of everything non-Russian and dissenting.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/opinion/russia-repeats-genocide-on-crimean-tatars/

Captain Zero

(7,824 posts)
18. Gives Germany some time to get latest armaments in place in Ukraine
Wed Mar 12, 2025, 09:28 AM
Mar 12

April is their target date to install some very new, cutting edge, armaments that will defend and obliterate any Russian attacks and incursions during a cease fire.

I predict Russia will accept a 30 day cease fire, but I also predict they will break the cease fire.
They've broken every agreement they have made in Europe for the last 20 years.

The new systems are from the German company RhineMetal. There is video on youtube.
Looks like it can defend everything Russia wants to throw at it including the donkey carts Russia is currently using to resupply their troops. This type of rapid deployment and rapid movement armament is something never seen before. Command and Control, and targeting componenets move separately from the actual weaponry.

looks like it is perfect for the type of war here. It's almost like they have studied what the Russians do over land and this will neutralize everything and even provide cover for rolling the Russians back into Russia.

electric_blue68

(20,971 posts)
20. TY to Germany.
Wed Mar 12, 2025, 09:39 PM
Mar 12

Zelenskyy is in a difficult position, but I hope he can stand strong, and be savvy perhaps with this help from Germany.

Sure, it's be great if the war ended but I don't think Ukraine should have to give up ? 1/3 of it's current land. Putin is a Muderous Bully, and should not be rewarded if (and Zelenskyy's gotten an even higher boost in popularity in Ukraine from ?last week) the majority of Ukraine people support President Z. It's their choice!

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