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marmar

(80,581 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 10:36 AM 4 hrs ago

Kentucky Governor Threatens To Go Nuclear On Mitch McConnell




Jul 16, 2026

Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear says he is prepared to challenge Republican lawmakers in court over who has the authority to fill Mitch McConnell’s Senate seat if it becomes vacant, setting up a potentially major constitutional battle. Farron Cousins breaks it down.
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Kentucky Governor Threatens To Go Nuclear On Mitch McConnell (Original Post) marmar 4 hrs ago OP
Good JBTaurus83 4 hrs ago #1
Do it. Blue Owl 4 hrs ago #2
DO IT!!! 2naSalit 4 hrs ago #3
Do it, and don't wait! WestMichRad 4 hrs ago #4
Agree Tetrachloride 3 hrs ago #9
I liked Andy Beshear, but... RT Atlanta 4 hrs ago #5
What does this actually mean? There is no vacancy, he can't wish one into existence. tritsofme 2 hrs ago #15
Yes, there are steps to take. The first one is wnylib 1 hr ago #19
That is not a step. Only the Senate can expel a member who is incapacitated. MikeyDi 1 hr ago #21
That was just pure fantasy nonsense, demanding Beshear perform magical and impossible feats. tritsofme 37 min ago #29
With this declaration, Escape 4 hrs ago #6
it could force their hand at least themaguffin 9 min ago #42
Watch what they do, not what they say. MadMike47 4 hrs ago #7
Get the show on the road!!! MontanaMama 4 hrs ago #8
He can't declare Mitch legally dead MikeyDi 3 hrs ago #10
No, he can't declare him legally dead. But he can wnylib 1 hr ago #20
He can "demand" anything he wants. And his demands can be ignored. onenote 1 hr ago #23
I would go a step further than you. MikeyDi 52 min ago #27
Beshear could go to court for an order of examination of McConnell. wnylib 33 min ago #33
And a court would deny his request. Besher has the burden of proof. And his appointment would be challenged in court onenote 27 min ago #34
No, he couldn't. He has no standing to make such a request. tritsofme 26 min ago #35
He can do neither of those things MikeyDi 23 min ago #37
and/or seek to have a guardian appointed for mitch (if he's still alive) RT Atlanta 14 min ago #40
There's no issue to "force". There is absolutely no basis for guardian/conservatorship tritsofme 2 min ago #44
Assuming Mcconnell is in a Vegetative state, or DEAD...Perhaps, this is more to Ars Longa 3 hrs ago #11
Good for Gov. Andy Beshear! Please do this and end the stalemate FakeNoose 3 hrs ago #12
Put your gears into overdrive Andy ! KS Toronado 3 hrs ago #13
Waiting helps them orangecrush 3 hrs ago #14
Waiting...as opposed to what? There is no vacancy today, there is no action for him to take. tritsofme 2 hrs ago #17
'threatens'... Snackshack 2 hrs ago #16
JUST. FUCKING. DO. IT. Geechie 1 hr ago #18
Do what? What do you want him to do? tritsofme 36 min ago #30
He's been saying he'll challenge the law if the seat becomes vacant since the law was enacted in 2024 onenote 1 hr ago #22
I don't think anyone clicked the video or read the post. MikeyDi 58 min ago #24
There are both US Constitution and State Constitution provisions in issue. onenote 33 min ago #32
I think it's an interesting question but that the power likely likes with the legislature MikeyDi 25 min ago #36
If Beshear initiates legislation, I expect he'd go to state court. If he acts and its challenged, onenote 22 min ago #38
"threatens to go nuclear" vs. "restates previously held position" Sympthsical 56 min ago #25
Clickbait also relies on no one reading or watching MikeyDi 49 min ago #28
Don't Threaten: DO IT NOW! Chasstev365 54 min ago #26
Do what? tritsofme 35 min ago #31
Read my full post Chasstev365 11 min ago #41
The governor has no power over this Sympthsical 8 min ago #43
;-{) THIS Goonch 17 min ago #39
Everybody saying, Just do it!!! MorbidButterflyTat 2 min ago #45

RT Atlanta

(2,900 posts)
5. I liked Andy Beshear, but...
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 10:58 AM
4 hrs ago

It's time to move past words and put this into action. If he's going to cause a step to be taken, make it happen and quit 'playing the game' on the 'pukes terms re mcconnell and his 'absence.'

tritsofme

(19,969 posts)
15. What does this actually mean? There is no vacancy, he can't wish one into existence.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 12:38 PM
2 hrs ago

There are no “steps” to take right now.

wnylib

(27,096 posts)
19. Yes, there are steps to take. The first one is
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 01:36 PM
1 hr ago

to set a deadline date for proof that McConnell is cognitive enough to remain in office. I have no doubt that McConnell is too incapacitated to continue as Senator. Then appoint a replacement, thereby calling the Republican bluff about his authority to do it. Let them whine about it and threaten to go to court. If they actually do take it to court, Beshear can stand up to them there with evidence of his right to make the appointment.


MikeyDi

(15 posts)
21. That is not a step. Only the Senate can expel a member who is incapacitated.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:05 PM
1 hr ago

There is no law that gives a governor that right.

How this process even work? Could Brian Kemp require Ossoff and Warnock to take a test to prove their fitness for office?

tritsofme

(19,969 posts)
29. That was just pure fantasy nonsense, demanding Beshear perform magical and impossible feats.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:44 PM
37 min ago

This only becomes a live question when there is a vacancy. There is no vacancy right now.

Escape

(591 posts)
6. With this declaration,
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 11:13 AM
4 hrs ago

I'm betting Beshear knows something more about Mitch's current condition than we do.

MikeyDi

(15 posts)
10. He can't declare Mitch legally dead
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 11:24 AM
3 hrs ago

I don't think anyone actually read his quote.

There's an "if" in there.

wnylib

(27,096 posts)
20. No, he can't declare him legally dead. But he can
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 01:43 PM
1 hr ago

demand access to McConnell and medical proof that McConnell is cognitively capable of remaining in the Senate. Or, he can proceed with an appointment and let the Rs whine about it and force them to prove that McConnell is cognitively able to continue as Senator.

onenote

(46,541 posts)
23. He can "demand" anything he wants. And his demands can be ignored.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:20 PM
1 hr ago

At the moment, McConnell has provided prima facie evidence that the seat isn't vacant. Sure, there are claims the photo and statement are AI generated and that the individuals who claim to have spoken to McConnell are lying. But the burden of proof rests with Beshear and there isn't much of anything he can do.

It's hardly a slam dunk that he would win a lawsuit challenging the current KY statute governing filling a Senate vacancy. And while the lawsuit was pending I fully expect the repubs in the Senate would try to refuse to seat anyone Beshear appoints unless it was a MAGA republican.

So odds are the so-called "stalemate" is going to continue.

MikeyDi

(15 posts)
27. I would go a step further than you.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:29 PM
52 min ago

This has exposed something of a black hole in the Constitution. I don't think that seat is vacant until it is formally vacated in some way. What that way is...who knows?

I would say that if someone produced a picture of Mitch on an autopsy table, nothing changes legally. Beshear still has no standing to demand proof of life, because there is a presumption that the seat is filled until there is some formal declaration stating otherwise.

wnylib

(27,096 posts)
33. Beshear could go to court for an order of examination of McConnell.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:48 PM
33 min ago

Or, Beshear could just appoint someone to replace McConnell and put the ball in the hands of Republicans to prove that McConnell is cognitively competent enough to continue and not be replaced.

In other words, there are political moves that Beshear can make to push Republicans to reveal themselves or to give up and shut up.

onenote

(46,541 posts)
34. And a court would deny his request. Besher has the burden of proof. And his appointment would be challenged in court
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:53 PM
27 min ago

And the repubs in the Senate would refuse to seat his appointee, which also would trigger legislation.

So it's unlikely his appointee would take office any time soon, if ever.

tritsofme

(19,969 posts)
35. No, he couldn't. He has no standing to make such a request.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:55 PM
26 min ago

Frankly, no one does.

I mean Beshear can send whatever make-believe pretend senator you want him to, but he won’t get sworn in, or even allowed in the building.

MikeyDi

(15 posts)
37. He can do neither of those things
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:58 PM
23 min ago

This is like Trump's fake electors scheme. You can't magically make one a Senator when:

1. The office is not vacated, and
2. You don't have that power under state law.

RT Atlanta

(2,900 posts)
40. and/or seek to have a guardian appointed for mitch (if he's still alive)
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 03:07 PM
14 min ago

this why guardianships/conservatorships exist

force the issue through legal process

tritsofme

(19,969 posts)
44. There's no issue to "force". There is absolutely no basis for guardian/conservatorship
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 03:19 PM
2 min ago

And even if there was, it wouldn’t stop him from being alive and occupying the Senate seat.

Ars Longa

(747 posts)
11. Assuming Mcconnell is in a Vegetative state, or DEAD...Perhaps, this is more to
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 11:24 AM
3 hrs ago

"Smoke-Out" and force the hand of the PTB that are hiding Mcconnells true condition!

FakeNoose

(43,475 posts)
12. Good for Gov. Andy Beshear! Please do this and end the stalemate
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 11:33 AM
3 hrs ago

The closer we get to August 3rd, the more likely the Repukes get to winning their sneaky, illegal game.
Don't let them win this - force them to admit their deceit.

tritsofme

(19,969 posts)
17. Waiting...as opposed to what? There is no vacancy today, there is no action for him to take.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 12:39 PM
2 hrs ago

Snackshack

(2,616 posts)
16. 'threatens'...
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 12:39 PM
2 hrs ago

...being the operative word, this has as much force & effect as a 'strongly worded letter'.

Wake up Dems... stop talking about it and do it.

We the voters have to wait until Nov. to do our part to make a change, but you can start right now, and my guess is you will find the support from your voters overwhelming.

onenote

(46,541 posts)
22. He's been saying he'll challenge the law if the seat becomes vacant since the law was enacted in 2024
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:16 PM
1 hr ago

Another click bait headline.

MikeyDi

(15 posts)
24. I don't think anyone clicked the video or read the post.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:23 PM
58 min ago

"Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear says he is prepared to challenge Republican lawmakers in court over who has the authority to fill Mitch McConnell’s Senate seat if it becomes vacant....."

That "if" is pretty darn important.

Question: would this be a matter of state or federal law? I'm honestly not sure.

onenote

(46,541 posts)
32. There are both US Constitution and State Constitution provisions in issue.
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:48 PM
33 min ago

The US Constitution makes special election the default means for filling a vacancy in the US Senate, but provides state legislatures with authority to enact laws that give the governor authority to fill a vacancy via a temporary appointment in lieu of a special election. In the past few years Kentucky's legislature has passed a couple of different laws. One provided for a vacancy to be filled by the governor based on a list of three names provided to him by the political party of the person who held the now vacant office. Subsequently, the KY legislature repealed that law and passed the current statute repealing the governor's appointment authority and reverting to authorizing special elections to fill the vacancy.

The question is where does the KY constitution fit into this. It currently provides-- and has provided for over 100 years -- that vacancies in "at large state" office and offices for a "district larger than a single county" are to be filled by the governor via appointment. So does this constitute an action by the "legislature"? And if it does, would it apply to federal state offices -- i.e. the US Senate? There is historical precedent in KY, albeit not for over 60 years, for the governor to fill a US Senate vacancy, but I don't believe such appointments have ever been challenged. In addition, there is precedent for US House district vacancies, which might cover an area larger than a single county -- have been filled by special election.

So might a a court decide that since US House elections have been filled by special election notwithstanding the KY constitution that provision should be interpreted as applying only to state and not federal offices question. Beshear has a decent argument, but I wouldn't characterize it as a slam dunk.

MikeyDi

(15 posts)
36. I think it's an interesting question but that the power likely likes with the legislature
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:56 PM
25 min ago

Especially in this current climate where courts seem to be favoring legislative power over executive power (unless Trump wants to fire people).

I just wasn't sure if you file this in state or federal court. It's a state law regarding a federal office with federal constitutional issues.

onenote

(46,541 posts)
38. If Beshear initiates legislation, I expect he'd go to state court. If he acts and its challenged,
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:59 PM
22 min ago

I expect the challengers will try to start in federal court.

Sympthsical

(11,391 posts)
25. "threatens to go nuclear" vs. "restates previously held position"
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:25 PM
56 min ago

Clickbait like this relies on people not having information.

Beshear is simply restating his position that he believes the law the Kentucky legislature passed in regards to vacancy in a Senate seat is against the Kentucky constitution.

At the moment, it doesn't matter. Beshear has no power to push McConnell aside. None. Zero. Not going to happen, people need to stop agitating for it. It's bashing Beshear for not doing something he has no power to do.

If McConnell dies, Beshear is stating he will take it to court. He will have standing then to do so.

Which he said back in 2024 when the law first passed. There is no new development, simply new interest.

But "two year old issue is new to me" is not "going nuclear"

MikeyDi

(15 posts)
28. Clickbait also relies on no one reading or watching
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 02:32 PM
49 min ago

The post literally says Beshear will do this IF the seat is vacated. Which it ain't.

Me: I will start dating 25 year old influencers if my marriage is vacated.
The Internet: DO IT NOW!!!!

Sympthsical

(11,391 posts)
43. The governor has no power over this
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 03:12 PM
8 min ago

I don't know what people are agitating for here. Medical privacy and HIPAA exist. Only the Senate can remove a member.

All it does is end up bashing Beshear for being "weak" because . . . he doesn't do what he has no power to do.

It's not even a complicated series of laws we're discussing. It involves two.

MorbidButterflyTat

(5,130 posts)
45. Everybody saying, Just do it!!!
Thu Jul 16, 2026, 03:19 PM
2 min ago
"...fill Mitch McConnell’s Senate seat if it becomes vacant..."

"...if it becomes vacant..."

Too many people just accept the phony pic from 15 years ago.

If he's alive and living it up in rehab, let them fucking PROVE IT.
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