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Chasstev365

(8,426 posts)
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 09:42 AM 17 hrs ago

This may explain why they are hiding Mitch McConnell's condition

"In Kentucky, a special election to replace a Senator will NOT be called if it’s closer than 3 months till the next election,” Cochran wrote Saturday in a social media post on X. “If McConnell’s condition is clearly unfit for office, they’d hide that to avoid being forced to submit a resignation letter until after that date.”

A cheater even on his death bed.

https://www.rawstory.com/mitch-mcconnell-2677159427/

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This may explain why they are hiding Mitch McConnell's condition (Original Post) Chasstev365 17 hrs ago OP
I can only hope that the Gravedigger Of American Democracy hears the sound of shovels . . . hatrack 17 hrs ago #1
LOVE how you put that! calimary 8 sec ago #73
For all we know, he might be already dead, leaving us wnylib 17 hrs ago #2
I have someone in my family right now Tree Lady 15 hrs ago #19
That's, what I thought initially and it could be true. wnylib 14 hrs ago #37
Something like that couldn't be kept secret. cab67 8 hrs ago #60
Those people need their jobs and could be prosecuted for violating HIPPA Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #64
Does HIPAA apply to dead people? LeftInTX 6 hrs ago #66
HIPAA Privacy Rule protections continue for 50 years after a person's death progressoid 5 hrs ago #68
He could well be on life support popsdenver 13 hrs ago #46
That seems most likely. Dulcinea 12 hrs ago #53
Yup...unconscious when they hauled him out of the house Bengus81 8 hrs ago #59
Staffers wanna keep their jobs? Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #62
Maybe they've already quick--frozen him and will resurrect only when a vote is needed. erronis 13 hrs ago #45
They'll put a tarp over him. (nt) Pinback 4 hrs ago #69
Then someone needs to get near to him and obtain the proof. harumph 17 hrs ago #3
A "Carhartt" riot might do the trick Ponietz 16 hrs ago #18
Maybe the Governor could casually ask around. nt allegorical oracle 14 hrs ago #39
There should be some kind of requirement for weekly proof of life SSJVegeta 17 hrs ago #4
Rules are only for Democrats............ Bengus81 8 hrs ago #61
And staffers are paid while doing whatever without proper chain of command & responsibility Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #63
So, an election before the 3 months is a good thing in Kentucky?? Tetrachloride 17 hrs ago #5
possibly. in general, low turnout elections favor the most motivated. RandomNumbers 15 hrs ago #25
Is there any way to force the issue? No reason to play nice with him at this point. Crunchy Frog 17 hrs ago #6
Actually it is better for us if they pull this off and keep it hidden InstantGratification 15 hrs ago #31
Between the R Senators who have lost primaries or who are not running for reelection ToxMarz 15 hrs ago #34
It's similar to the movie Dave. Sector 001 14 hrs ago #36
Where can you find death certificates? cpamomfromtexas 17 hrs ago #7
One cannot, unless one is permitted by or is a member of immediate family. ColoringFool 16 hrs ago #12
That is not true Wifes husband 15 hrs ago #24
It likely varies by state. In Florida, when I tried to look at the death certificate allegorical oracle 14 hrs ago #40
Death certficates contain private info. (Cause of death, address, spousal address) Death index does not. LeftInTX 6 hrs ago #67
Oh, yes, it is. Unless you know of an exception? ColoringFool 11 hrs ago #56
Where's the MSM coverage of Turtle's condition? SergeStorms 17 hrs ago #8
Either way you look at it its the_liberal_grandpa 16 hrs ago #9
Can't recall whether Thune is empowered to permit proxy votes. Anybody? nt allegorical oracle 14 hrs ago #41
no rampartd 12 hrs ago #52
This doesn't make sense newdeal2 16 hrs ago #10
I don't think this is to the Republicans or Kentucky's benefit unless he is alive karynnj 16 hrs ago #11
I don't understand why or why not having a special election makes any difference. Fil1957 16 hrs ago #13
The Kentucky GOP has a strange law that only a republican can be named to replace McConnel LetMyPeopleVote 16 hrs ago #14
I forgot about that one... IthinkThereforeIAM 15 hrs ago #26
That law was changed in 2024; special election is now required. Callie1979 15 hrs ago #35
Oh, what a shame! DFW 12 hrs ago #49
I was thinking about that. But we could use Republican-style tactics against them, as well. DFW 12 hrs ago #48
Perhaps the governor should bring some flowers and Capt. America 16 hrs ago #15
That sounds very plausible. Martin68 16 hrs ago #16
The sooner the better! OGBuzz 16 hrs ago #17
His wife, Elaine has close ties to the highest echelons of the Chinese government dlk 15 hrs ago #20
She just returned from a visit to China. Thought the timing was odd -- it could've allegorical oracle 14 hrs ago #42
Or maybe she heard he doesn't have much time left... ShazzieB 13 hrs ago #44
Yes we've been speculating that he might have kicked the bucket already FakeNoose 15 hrs ago #21
Ky changed the rules. The governor has no ability to pick anyone. karynnj 15 hrs ago #30
This doesn't make sense, to me mercuryblues 15 hrs ago #22
Just more GOP stupidity. nt Callie1979 15 hrs ago #29
There is something odd about this. mercuryblues 14 hrs ago #38
But the next election is now 4 months away. hedda_foil 15 hrs ago #23
Not the first time this has happened. Wont be the last. Callie1979 15 hrs ago #27
In the meantime... Gaytano70 15 hrs ago #28
Zombie Mitch as worthless dead as alive Johonny 15 hrs ago #32
" A cheater even on his death bed." C Moon 15 hrs ago #33
That IS a good epitaph. calimary 10 hrs ago #57
Excellent catch. R's just have to keep the body away from a corner for 3 more weeks 31j20b3 14 hrs ago #43
Brain dead corpse in one person luxury hospital room, tax dollars draining away dave99 12 hrs ago #47
Maybe he just needs flipped over. twodogsbarking 12 hrs ago #50
Perhaps He Can Buy a Scrap of Integrity on the Open Market The Roux Comes First 12 hrs ago #51
I dont think he will make it to August 9th.nt. drray23 12 hrs ago #54
They found him unresponsive and had to do CPR, and he is now in a coma. SunSeeker 13 min ago #72
I can just picture him sitting next to a pool sipping on formaldehyde cocktails. nt ImNotGod 12 hrs ago #55
Oh FFS Blue Owl 9 hrs ago #58
One thing for certain dlk 6 hrs ago #65
If McConnell is still alive, he can't speak Akakoji 2 hrs ago #70
3 months before an election... AdamGG 2 hrs ago #71

hatrack

(65,407 posts)
1. I can only hope that the Gravedigger Of American Democracy hears the sound of shovels . . .
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 09:45 AM
17 hrs ago

wnylib

(26,934 posts)
2. For all we know, he might be already dead, leaving us
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 09:46 AM
17 hrs ago

cheated out of our celebration parties.

Tree Lady

(13,460 posts)
19. I have someone in my family right now
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 11:39 AM
15 hrs ago

A cousin who had cardiac arrest last week, I believe they are going to unplug the machines this coming week.

I bet it is something like that except they will keep him on the machines until after the 3 month time politically.

wnylib

(26,934 posts)
37. That's, what I thought initially and it could be true.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:49 PM
14 hrs ago

OTOH, even if he was dead and off of machines, MAGAs would keep it secret, if they could. But the chances for leaks then would be greater than if they leave him on machines, even without hope of recovery.

cab67

(3,945 posts)
60. Something like that couldn't be kept secret.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 07:14 PM
8 hrs ago

Not for very long.

Too many people at the hospital would know.

Attilatheblond

(9,514 posts)
64. Those people need their jobs and could be prosecuted for violating HIPPA
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 07:53 PM
7 hrs ago

Gotta figure Mitch's room is very private with layers of security and baffles to keep out any noisy employees.

LeftInTX

(35,065 posts)
66. Does HIPAA apply to dead people?
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 08:53 PM
6 hrs ago

Once you're dead, I think it goes away. You're now public property. Your death is recorded elsewhere and is not just a medical record. Doc pronounces you dead. Then you are removed from the healthcare facility. Your body goes to a funeral home, (if KY is like TX, McConnell, will go straight to a funeral home due to his age and ongoing health issues) Meanwhile legal documents are filed such as death certificates etc.

Death isn't an illness. It is a legal status.

Although your treatment status may be subject to HIPAA after you die, your death status is not.

progressoid

(53,594 posts)
68. HIPAA Privacy Rule protections continue for 50 years after a person's death
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 10:10 PM
5 hrs ago
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance/health-information-of-deceased-individuals/index.html

Background

The HIPAA Privacy Rule protects the individually identifiable health information about a decedent for 50 years following the date of death of the individual. This period of protection for decedent health information balances the privacy interests of surviving relatives and other individuals with a relationship to the decedent, with the need for archivists, biographers, historians, and others to access old or ancient records on deceased individuals for historical purposes. During the 50-year period of protection, the personal representative of the decedent (i.e., the person under applicable law with authority to act on behalf of the decedent or the decedent’s estate) has the ability to exercise the rights under the Privacy Rule with regard to the decedent’s health information, such as authorizing certain uses and disclosures of, and gaining access to, the information. With respect to family members or other persons involved in the individual’s health care or payment for care prior to the individual’s death, but who are not personal representatives, the Privacy Rule permits a covered entity to disclose the relevant protected health information of the decedent to such persons, unless doing so is inconsistent with any prior expressed preference of the deceased individual that is known to the covered entity.

How the Rule Works

The HIPAA Privacy Rule applies to the individually identifiable health information of a decedent for 50 years following the date of death of the individual. The Rule explicitly excludes from the definition of “protected health information” individually identifiable health information regarding a person who has been deceased for more than 50 years. See paragraph (2)(iv) of the definition of “protected health information” at § 160.103. Thus, for example, a HIPAA covered entity that maintains health or medical records, correspondence files, physician diaries and casebooks, or photograph collections that contain identifiable health information on individuals who have been deceased for more than 50 years may use or disclose the information without regard to the Privacy Rule because the information is not considered protected health information.

During the 50-year period of protection, the Privacy Rule generally protects a decedent’s health information to the same extent the Rule protects the health information of living individuals but does include a number of special disclosure provisions relevant to deceased individuals. These include provisions that permit a covered entity to disclose a decedent’s health information: (1) to alert law enforcement to the death of the individual, when there is a suspicion that death resulted from criminal conduct (§ 164.512(f)(4)); (2) to coroners or medical examiners and funeral directors (§ 164.512(g)); (3) for research that is solely on the protected health information of decedents (§ 164.512(i)(1)(iii)); and (4) to organ procurement organizations or other entities engaged in the procurement, banking, or transplantation of cadaveric organs, eyes, or tissue for the purpose of facilitating organ, eye, or tissue donation and transplantation (§ 164.512(h)). In addition, the Privacy Rule permits a covered entity to disclose protected health information about a decedent to a family member, or other person who was involved in the individual’s health care or payment for care prior to the individual’s death, unless doing so is inconsistent with any prior expressed preference of the deceased individual that is known to the covered entity. This may include disclosures to spouses, parents, children, domestic partners, other relatives, or friends of the decedent, provided the information disclosed is limited to that which is relevant to the person’s involvement in the decedent’s care or payment for care. See 45 CFR 164.510(b)(5). For uses or disclosures of a decedent’s health information not otherwise permitted by the Privacy Rule, a covered entity must obtain a written HIPAA authorization from a personal representative of the decedent who can authorize the disclosure. A decedent’s personal representative is an executor, administrator, or other person who has authority under applicable State or other law to act on behalf of the decedent or the decedent’s estate. See 45 CFR 164.502(g)(4), as well as guidance on personal representatives available at: http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/personalreps.html, for more information.

popsdenver

(2,885 posts)
46. He could well be on life support
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 02:33 PM
13 hrs ago

and they are keeping him that way, as to not detract from Trump's 250 celebrations...........

If they announced it, the 250 celebrations would be overwhelmed by the massive number of Americans, out in the streets celebrating McConnells passing........

His burial plot needs to be surrounded by acres and acres of concrete pavement with surface drains.....same for Trump's burial site, and many other Republicans graves.....

Dulcinea

(10,514 posts)
53. That seems most likely.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 03:16 PM
12 hrs ago

If he was dead, that wouldn't be kept under wraps for long. Someone would let that news out.

Bengus81

(10,650 posts)
59. Yup...unconscious when they hauled him out of the house
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 07:03 PM
8 hrs ago

Bet they've had him hooked up on life support the entire time. This BS is ghoulish.

erronis

(25,099 posts)
45. Maybe they've already quick--frozen him and will resurrect only when a vote is needed.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 02:23 PM
13 hrs ago

Could possibly get 10 more years and 100s of votes out of him.

"Mitch - we are going to pass 10,000 volts through you. If you jerk, we'll call that a 'YES' vote for our party."

harumph

(3,583 posts)
3. Then someone needs to get near to him and obtain the proof.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 09:46 AM
17 hrs ago

you can be sure the g-damned republicans would do that.

SSJVegeta

(3,486 posts)
4. There should be some kind of requirement for weekly proof of life
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 09:48 AM
17 hrs ago

Especially since these people are on payroll

Attilatheblond

(9,514 posts)
63. And staffers are paid while doing whatever without proper chain of command & responsibility
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 07:51 PM
7 hrs ago

Gotta figure a BIG reason the Geezers on the Hill won't step down is partly due to staffers who like power and know where the skeletons are refusing to allow retirements.

RandomNumbers

(19,382 posts)
25. possibly. in general, low turnout elections favor the most motivated.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:12 PM
15 hrs ago

you will get more straight-ticket Rs in November of a midterm or presidential year, and this is a mid term year.

Crunchy Frog

(28,308 posts)
6. Is there any way to force the issue? No reason to play nice with him at this point.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 10:05 AM
17 hrs ago

Demand proof that they're not pulling a Weekend at Bernie's.

31. Actually it is better for us if they pull this off and keep it hidden
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:20 PM
15 hrs ago

For all the horrendous things he has done over the years, he has been a solid NO vote on the SAVE act. If KY replaces him in a special election, the replacement will almost be guaranteed to be a YES, I don't want to risk that YES being the one that passes it in the senate since it has already passed in the house.

ToxMarz

(3,211 posts)
34. Between the R Senators who have lost primaries or who are not running for reelection
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:36 PM
15 hrs ago

might it be possible they don't have the votes to confirm a new Supreme Court nominee before the new Congress is seated. Most of them hate Trump enough they might just want to send him a big Fuck You. And if they're dead or dying, that works too. At least we can hope then we take the Senate.

allegorical oracle

(6,743 posts)
40. It likely varies by state. In Florida, when I tried to look at the death certificate
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:28 PM
14 hrs ago

of a high-ranking person, I was told I couldn't because I was not a family member.

LeftInTX

(35,065 posts)
67. Death certficates contain private info. (Cause of death, address, spousal address) Death index does not.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 09:01 PM
6 hrs ago

In Texas, I think they are publically available after 60 years.

Death index is pretty much daily.

Anybody who is sent to the Medical Examiner where I live is put on a public roster availble online. However, ME handles cases which an autopsy is required.


https://deathrecords.bexar.org/

SergeStorms

(21,153 posts)
8. Where's the MSM coverage of Turtle's condition?
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 10:32 AM
17 hrs ago

Plenty of coverage about Paul Pelosi hitting a parked car, though, isn't there?

"Liberal" media my ass!

newdeal2

(5,687 posts)
10. This doesn't make sense
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 10:45 AM
16 hrs ago

Who exactly is going to determine he is unfit for office and force him out?

He is clearly unwell but they are hiding him to protect his image, not due to a special election.

And there’s not much benefit here because Republicans have one less vote while he is MIA.

karynnj

(61,271 posts)
11. I don't think this is to the Republicans or Kentucky's benefit unless he is alive
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 11:07 AM
16 hrs ago

He can't vote remotely. If he is alive, they could a la Strom Thurmond bring him in a wheelchair to vote up or down. If he is dead, they have one less vote.

Now, there already is a Democrat and a Republican who have the nominations for November. I wonder if Kentucky law would allow both parties to skip the primary and have an early election. It seems they changed the law twice recently. The first time was to have the Governor pick one of the people on the Republican list (McConnell's party), then to cut the governor out altogether to have a special election. I bet they regret the last change.

I would have thought they would want to get a Trumper replacement in ASAP. Remember, McConnell is a strong defender of the filibuster and is against the SAVE Act. Fortunately, even if they wanted to I don't think they can replace McConnell fast enough to pass and implement the SAVE Act. It does mean if a special election is called Democrats should demand primaries.

LetMyPeopleVote

(184,455 posts)
14. The Kentucky GOP has a strange law that only a republican can be named to replace McConnel
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 11:11 AM
16 hrs ago
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/31/1191034037/mcconnell-facing-health-questions-says-he-ll-serve-full-term-keep-leading-senate

A MARTÍNEZ, HOST:

Senator Mitch McConnell's freeze-up at a news conference last week is raising questions about how much longer he can serve as the senior U.S. senator for Kentucky. A spokesperson says McConnell plans to finish his term, which ends in 2027, but lawmakers are wondering what could happen if he were to step down. Back in 2021, Kentucky's Republican-led legislature passed a law ensuring that McConnell's possible successor would be a Republican. The state's Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, vetoed the bill, but he was overruled by the legislature. For more, I'm joined now by Austin Horn, who is a politics reporter for the Lexington Herald-Leader. Austin, so what is Governor Beshear's argument against the current law?

AUSTIN HORN: Good morning, A. The argument against, presented in the governor's old veto message, is based on the U.S. Constitution's 17th Amendment. It's kind of one of those amendments we often forget about. And in 1912, it allowed voters to cast direct votes for U.S. senators. And prior to its passage, senators were chosen by legislatures. The governor's office has been careful to not make a comment on this front in recent days. But it's kind of the consensus among Kentucky Democrats and those in the capital that Beshear would be inclined to push back either by appointing a Democrat, unlike the law says, or stalling and challenging the law. Or, you know, he could always follow the law, but that's not expected.

DFW

(60,901 posts)
48. I was thinking about that. But we could use Republican-style tactics against them, as well.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 02:41 PM
12 hrs ago

Get some obscure, under-the-radar Kentucky Democrat to switch his party registration to Republican, get named by Beshear to fill out the rest of McTurtle's term, and just vote with us (after all, if Fetterman can vote with them, and they raise no objection....).

Capt. America

(2,588 posts)
15. Perhaps the governor should bring some flowers and
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 11:14 AM
16 hrs ago

Perform a “wellness” check on McTurtle before he shuffles off to hell.

dlk

(13,495 posts)
20. His wife, Elaine has close ties to the highest echelons of the Chinese government
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 11:57 AM
15 hrs ago

There’s more to this than McConnell being ill.

allegorical oracle

(6,743 posts)
42. She just returned from a visit to China. Thought the timing was odd -- it could've
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:35 PM
14 hrs ago

signaled that he's doing well -- or had bitten the big one.

ShazzieB

(23,128 posts)
44. Or maybe she heard he doesn't have much time left...
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 02:16 PM
13 hrs ago

...and hurried to get home before he gives up the ghost! 👻

FakeNoose

(43,215 posts)
21. Yes we've been speculating that he might have kicked the bucket already
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:03 PM
15 hrs ago

They know that Gov. Beshear will appoint a Democrat and they don't want to see that happen.

Poor Moscow Mitch, no fancy state funeral for him. Maybe they'll scatter his ashes over the Lincoln Reflecting Pool?

mercuryblues

(16,579 posts)
22. This doesn't make sense, to me
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:03 PM
15 hrs ago

In Kentucky, the rule is that Governor has to replace him with a member of their own party.

Right now, there is a non-voting, Senator. Having him replaced would give them not only a voting Senator, but also a few months of name recognition. Increasing his chances of winning an election.



Gaytano70

(1,313 posts)
28. In the meantime...
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:17 PM
15 hrs ago

Moscow Mitch will keep leaking formaldehyde and they'll keep pumping him full of drugs 😡

C Moon

(13,839 posts)
33. " A cheater even on his death bed."
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:33 PM
15 hrs ago

Wow. Great phrase. And I hope it is glued down to his legacy.

calimary

(91,626 posts)
57. That IS a good epitaph.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 05:27 PM
10 hrs ago

But they’ll never use it. Republicans don’t seem to have much of a relationship with the truth. Unless they can “modify” it to suit their overriding agenda.

Just for the record, I don’t trust Republicans anymore than I can pick up my house and throw it down the hill.

dave99

(765 posts)
47. Brain dead corpse in one person luxury hospital room, tax dollars draining away
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 02:40 PM
12 hrs ago

just like Republicans

SunSeeker

(58,452 posts)
72. They found him unresponsive and had to do CPR, and he is now in a coma.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 03:25 AM
13 min ago

Sounds like he’s already brain dead.

Akakoji

(639 posts)
70. If McConnell is still alive, he can't speak
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 01:04 AM
2 hrs ago

He ws found unconscious, possibly not breathing, due to a heart attack. It's incredibly rare someone his age with a previous history even survived. If he did. I want to se a picture with him talking.

AdamGG

(1,915 posts)
71. 3 months before an election...
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 01:36 AM
2 hrs ago

That's about 2 months more than he allowed Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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