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Bumbles

(509 posts)
Wed May 27, 2026, 08:15 AM 9 hrs ago

"Get out while you can. This place is broken."

That sounds hyperbolic. However, after reading Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez's most recent piece written after she was targeted with a directed-energy weapon (DEW) for her reporting on Epstein, I think you'll agree it's not.

I'm 83 and (just) able to afford to stay in my home of almost thirty five years. I would like my son to be able to keep our house and the gardens created by us to be a sanctuary, an escape from external pressures, a place to "just be." After reading this piece, I fear that's a pipedream.

How do we, as a nation, recover from the imbalance imposed upon us by the hyper wealthy, greedy, and influential people that control all aspects of our lives?

"The Blessings of Flight, Part One

What arranging my father's care in a new country has taught me about the United States of America (our old country)"

https://alisav.substack.com/p/the-blessings-of-flight-part-one

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"Get out while you can. This place is broken." (Original Post) Bumbles 9 hrs ago OP
That was a very alarming piece mainer 9 hrs ago #1
This is simply false: Celerity 8 hrs ago #2
I'm only reacting to reports from friends in Northern Italy mainer 8 hrs ago #4
Wait until the North Atlantic Current collpases... Happy Hoosier 7 hrs ago #5
It's a bit hyperbolic, but not OTT SpankMe 7 hrs ago #6
'about to make' implies it is imminent, which is OTT Celerity 5 hrs ago #12
The Gulf Stream has been slowing for decades orthoclad 3 hrs ago #13
The actual science is far from settled. As a Swedish resident, I am not worried about an imminent AMOC collapse. Celerity 2 hrs ago #15
I speak of observation, not theory orthoclad 2 hrs ago #16
Good article Tbear 8 hrs ago #3
"Getting out" can mean different things. SSJVegeta 7 hrs ago #7
Sigh lonely bird 6 hrs ago #8
Yes, but only the life expectancy of the rich orthoclad 3 hrs ago #14
I wish it were that easy. The Madcap 6 hrs ago #9
I've been seeing people all around me getting dementia. Haggard Celine 6 hrs ago #10
Just a note to people thinking about leaving property to family... Historic NY 6 hrs ago #11

mainer

(12,586 posts)
1. That was a very alarming piece
Wed May 27, 2026, 08:36 AM
9 hrs ago

But where do we flee to? Climate change is about to make Europe unlivable. Other countries aren't too keen on taking us. Canada seems like the only viable option, but do they want us? And what if the US invades Canada?

Celerity

(54,977 posts)
2. This is simply false:
Wed May 27, 2026, 09:09 AM
8 hrs ago

You said:

Climate change is about to make Europe unlivable.


I live in the EU (Sweden). We are not about to become unlivable. That is OTT hyperbole.

mainer

(12,586 posts)
4. I'm only reacting to reports from friends in Northern Italy
Wed May 27, 2026, 09:44 AM
8 hrs ago

yes,it's probably hyperbole. But this current heat wave, with the attendant deaths, has spooked them deeply.

Happy Hoosier

(9,638 posts)
5. Wait until the North Atlantic Current collpases...
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:01 AM
7 hrs ago

Northern Europe, including the British Isles, could become pretty cold.

SpankMe

(3,768 posts)
6. It's a bit hyperbolic, but not OTT
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:19 AM
7 hrs ago

Google "amoc collapse". The science on this isn't settled, but it ain't looking good for northern and western Europe if it happens.

orthoclad

(4,873 posts)
13. The Gulf Stream has been slowing for decades
Wed May 27, 2026, 02:26 PM
3 hrs ago

This is the early warning. It's already been sounded. I don't know whether AMOC collapse will be sudden (within days) or spread over some years, but I think we've already passed the point where we can stop it.

Compare heavily-populated latitudes of Europe with colder similar latitudes of Canada. Will Ireland be green or white?

Some fiction writers have proposed drastic operations to restart the AMOC by dumping massive amounts of salt in the current zones where the AMOC sinks, to increase density and pump the conveyor, but can you honestly see ANY government or coalition taking such massive, expensive organization? If it would even work.

Celerity

(54,977 posts)
15. The actual science is far from settled. As a Swedish resident, I am not worried about an imminent AMOC collapse.
Wed May 27, 2026, 02:54 PM
2 hrs ago

New study finds that critical ocean current has not declined in the last 60 years

Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) helps to regulate the Earth’s climate and weather

https://www.whoi.edu/press-room/news-release/no-amoc-decline/

Woods Hole, Mass. (January 15, 2025) — Earth, being 71 percent covered in water, is influenced by the ocean and its movements. In the Atlantic Ocean, a system of connected currents, called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), moves water throughout the world’s oceans powered by a combination of winds and ocean density. It not only distributes the ocean’s heat, moisture, and nutrients, but regulates the Earth’s climate and weather.

As the climate is continuously changing and the atmosphere is warming, many scientists fear that fresh water from melting polar ice sheets could significantly disrupt—or collapse—the AMOC. While a decline of the AMOC would have grave consequences, a collapse would be truly catastrophic. However, studies about the AMOC’s long term future are uncertain. Instead of predicting the future, a team of scientists from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) quantified the past to help inform where we could be going.

In a new paper published in Nature Communications, scientists found that the AMOC has not declined in the last 60 years. Authors Nicholas P. Foukal, adjunct scientist in Physical Oceanography at WHOI and assistant professor at the University of Georgia; Jens Terhaar, affiliated scientist at WHOI and senior scientist at the University of Bern; and Linus Vogt, visiting student at WHOI when he started to work on this study and now scientist at LOCEAN, Sorbonne Université, say their results mean that the AMOC is currently more stable than expected.

“Our paper says that the Atlantic overturning has not declined yet,” Foukal said, who conducted the research while at WHOI. “That doesn’t say anything about its future, but it doesn’t appear the anticipated changes have occurred yet.” Their findings contrast with previous work, notably a paper from 2018 cited in their study, which reported that the AMOC has declined over the last 70 years. This past work relied on sea surface temperature measurements to understand how the AMOC has changed, but “we’ve learned that sea surface temperature doesn't work as well as initially thought,” said Terhaar, who began leading this study at WHOI as a postdoctoral scientist and completed the work in Bern.

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orthoclad

(4,873 posts)
16. I speak of observation, not theory
Wed May 27, 2026, 03:14 PM
2 hrs ago

The Gulf Stream has slowed, or as the US National Ocean Service phrased it about 20 years ago, it has "relaxed". This is the initial pump to the AMOC.

Knut?

SSJVegeta

(3,194 posts)
7. "Getting out" can mean different things.
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:39 AM
7 hrs ago

It could mean leave the country but it could also mean change it.

lonely bird

(3,051 posts)
8. Sigh
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:50 AM
6 hrs ago

Then we have science and Techbros pushing or trying to push life expectancy to 200 years or more.

What could possibly go wrong?

orthoclad

(4,873 posts)
14. Yes, but only the life expectancy of the rich
Wed May 27, 2026, 02:28 PM
3 hrs ago

The rest of us will supply their blood and labor. We're replaceable.

The Madcap

(2,068 posts)
9. I wish it were that easy.
Wed May 27, 2026, 11:04 AM
6 hrs ago

Selling a house, moving needed things overseas, getting permission to live in a country that one would like to live in, etc., are not a simple undertaking. It really is (for most people) starting over. And this is not even considering potential effects on things like pensions, Social Security, etc.

There's a lot here right now that is just downright depressing. Yes, the U.S. is broken, but it has been for as long as I can remember.

Haggard Celine

(17,933 posts)
10. I've been seeing people all around me getting dementia.
Wed May 27, 2026, 11:10 AM
6 hrs ago

I can't help but wonder where I'm going to end up. I feel like I need to go somewhere else, but I don't have the money to go anywhere. When it comes, I hope it's quick.

Historic NY

(40,146 posts)
11. Just a note to people thinking about leaving property to family...
Wed May 27, 2026, 11:14 AM
6 hrs ago

check your states laws and look a a Trust. I am settling on one this coming week after dealing with two relative's estates. I have a will but the trust while its costs more to do , it will save those inheriting from paying court cost and other fees.


https://www.ncoa.org/article/do-you-need-a-will-or-a-trust-heres-how-to-decide/]

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