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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoctors "diagnosing" Trump via video clips offends me as much as Bill Frist, Terry Schiavo, and that f*cking balloon.
Post is inspired by this:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-doctor-diagnoses-sleepy-trump-79-with-severe-illness/
...and, you probably remember this:
Bill Frist, a renowned heart surgeon before becoming Senate majority leader, has been arguing that Florida doctors erred in saying Terri Schiavo is in a "persistent vegetative state."
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7235267
It's ALL BULLSHIT. Get him in an examining room or FUCK OFF with your "video diagnosis."
JT45242
(4,154 posts)I understand your frustration.
But we need real doctors giving real diagnoses about this sick (physically, psychologically, and morally) POS
Ocelot II
(131,358 posts)almost as badly as Raw Story. What the doctor did say was that falling asleep frequently during the day could be a sign of a severe illness. That's not a diagnosis, just an observation. Blame it on the clickbaity Daily Beast headline, not the doctor.
hlthe2b
(114,777 posts)physical exam or to confirm/validate history collected by someone else--instead jumping to order bloodwork, scans, and other expensive diagnostics that can quite easily be totally misdirected--missing the most readily identified issues upon which to focus. Newly "minted" physicians especially over the past decade or more are especially problematic in this respect. Many physicians (and PAs) have lost the ability to even auscult (listen by stethoscope) the chest, detect even basic murmurs or differentiate serious lung or thoracic issues. Both are the most offensive aspects of medicine to me and many today. And because they don't talk to the damned patient the focus of someone else may be totally missing the most important or emergent issue, exposure, or factor that increases probability of diagnosis or at least the area to be targeted. Patients presenting with pain are an immense problem because there are some in medicine who assume those "magic words" AUTOMATICALLY signal the patient is drug-seeking--especially women. That can and has been deadly in terms of missed diagnoses and failure to focus on what should before a physician who cared to actually LOOK.
So, yeah. There are a lot of armchair physicians offering their opinions and picking their favored "rule-out." If they are cardiologists they want to assume all is primary cardiac. If they are neurologists, they see venous insufficiency, yes, but they will (rightfully imo) look at the obvious neuro deficits, which YES can be seen on the thousands of videos available over the past days, months, years, and decades.
If that annoys you, I say this phenomenon is not providing an ACTIONABLE diagnosis but merely informing the public that "WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE." And.. WE CERTAINLY DO!
So, some perspective, please.
OC375
(1,112 posts)I don't find speculation very productive personally, but I don't mind others undermining people I disagree with, so please continue in this instance.
Johonny
(26,663 posts)To examine, not just recent but years and years. We are talking decades of material. Certainly enough video to examine things like changes in gate, changes in word usage etc...
It's really not similar at all to Terry Schiavo.
mahina
(20,744 posts)agingdem
(8,973 posts)however, we are not privy to any in-person diagnosis...but given what we can see he's an 80 year old man in cognitive decline...spewing a repetition of specific words, phrases, and sentences...I stopped 8 wars...never seen anything like it...please sir...Biden...Obama...I know words/great words/I have the best words...I know it/you know it/everybody knows it..I aced the test..
he slurs his words/has difficulty pronouncing words/speaks in self-praise gibberish/tosses insults when asked questions he has no recall answer to...,
we can see him dragging a leg, unable to walk a straight line, holding onto an aide when the ground slopes...we can see the bruised hands, the drooping face, the swollen ankles, dozing off in the middle of meetings, and he sweats profusely...
we know he's had an MRI because he said he had an MRI but had no idea why he had an MRI...we know he's had a series of cognitive tests because he boasts about the difficulty of discerning a giraffe from an elephant..we know he's had mutiple "dentist" appointments as well as three trips to Walter Reed but we don't know why...so I for one am willing to hear what competent doctors observe based on what is obvious to them because that's all we're going to get...