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eppur_se_muova

(42,459 posts)
Fri May 15, 2026, 07:11 PM 13 hrs ago

I had a disturbing realization the other day. For those who don't know, "The Lost Cause" is a history of the Civil War

told by a Southern newspaper editor (IIRC) and Confederate sympathizer. His accounts of Confederates in battle (I'm told) are unabashedly admiring, and Conf. generals are treated as heroes. A lot of people have heard/read the title without reading the book (I among them) but the one other thing they may be familiar with is the closing line of the book:

'The South shall rise again"

I first heard this expression as a young child and thought of the South rebuilding from the rubble of war -- most of the War took place on Southern soil, after all -- and rising to a new level of development and prosperity, having been behind the Union on both counts, which proved decisive. But it means something completely different.

It means the South shall "rise again" -- in rebellion. I doubt a Tennessee editor would have ever predicted that the grandson of a German draft-dodger would become the avatar for the long-bottled-up resentment and hatred which lingers in the South, and among some Westerners with Confederate sympathies, particularly as regards racial differences throughout our history. But, bizarrely, that is what we have today. Donald Trmp carries in him all the racism-powered hatred of any of the most radical factions of the KKK, and does not try to hide it (well, maybe he does - if so, he's obviously inept at that, too. Or he just keeps forgetting the script). And with the unbridled power of Trmp's massive ego to tap, it appears that, in large part, the South -- or rather, all the worst aspects of the South -- are in the process right now of rising again. I just hope we can cut this phenomenon loose from its power source before it causes still more irreversible damage. We're all hoping for good results in November, but will they be good enough ? Will it really take a double-scoop thrombus lodged in his midbrain to end his political career ? Or will the GOP suffer such a setback in Nov. that the long knives will come out at last ?

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I had a disturbing realization the other day. For those who don't know, "The Lost Cause" is a history of the Civil War (Original Post) eppur_se_muova 13 hrs ago OP
Why Ken Burns had so much Shelby Foote talking in his NewHendoLib 13 hrs ago #1
Foote was definitely sympathetic to the South ITAL 12 hrs ago #3
I'd imagine he was there to help B.See 12 hrs ago #4
The south finally won the Civil War. Irish_Dem 12 hrs ago #2
Not yet...nt Wounded Bear 12 hrs ago #5
They just disenfranchised black voters. Irish_Dem 2 hrs ago #7
Rec based on "double-scoop thrombus." Maru Kitteh 12 hrs ago #6

NewHendoLib

(61,905 posts)
1. Why Ken Burns had so much Shelby Foote talking in his
Fri May 15, 2026, 07:16 PM
13 hrs ago

Civil War documentary was puzzling, since Foote seems to be a Lost Causer.

ITAL

(1,372 posts)
3. Foote was definitely sympathetic to the South
Fri May 15, 2026, 07:58 PM
12 hrs ago

But he wasn't a total Lost Causer. He was a big civil rights supporter in the 1960s and thought the government moved too slow on things like integration throughout the south. He also detested the KKK's use of the Confederate battle flag. On the other hand he had a romanticized view of many of the Confederate leadership from a century earlier.

I'd say he was very complicated - liberal for when/where he grew up, but nowadays he looks too many to be a unreconstructed southerner.

B.See

(8,822 posts)
4. I'd imagine he was there to help
Fri May 15, 2026, 08:08 PM
12 hrs ago

diffuse accusations of one-sidedness in Burns's otherwise excellent documentary.

Though an examination of Foote's biographical write-up in Wikipedia might provide some unexpected revelations. (not a defense of him. just info.)

Regarding the phrase, "South shall rise..." I think many of us always knew the sentiment behind it. It's why I've often written, "the South shall reich again."

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