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Just in case someone wondered.
Well, a bit of adventure. After doing too many chores the day after catching my wife's cold, I got all weak and clammy. I mentioned that to her and she said, "Lets check something." Then she brought the house's pulse oximeter, something old beings like us have in their houses. So my blood Oxygen percentage was at 84. It stayed there for half an hour, so we got in the car and headed for an Urgent Care clinic operated by our Medicare Advantage Company's medical system.
Next thing I know, I'm in their Emergency Room. Living in a large metro area means our Allina Medical System, which is owned by Aetna, the company from which we have our Advantage Plan. More on that downthread.
From there, an emergency transport vehicle, also from the Allina system hauled me off to one of the largest hospital in Minneapolis, also owned by Allina and the Aetna Insurance company. I was popped into a bed there, in the wing that handles heart and respiratory cases. Some preliminary tests were done immediately. I had been on oxygen the whole time and my oxygen levels had come up. They took away the oxygen and the numbers went right back down.
For the next four days, I was subjected to every sort of scan and test you can imagine. Every part of my 80 year old body was scrutinized. Echo cardiogram, several ultrasound test available, along with more blood and other tests than I could ever have thought possible. I shy inquired about what this was going to cost. "Nothing. You're covered 100%." Again, this is why I have the Aetna Allina Advantage plan. It all gets approval before the testing is performed.
In the end, I have COPD, from many years of smoking. I will smoke no more. Now I'm using Nicotine patches for life. I'll be running through the Allina system's COPD specialty clinic from now on. I got stabilized, got some new meds, and am at home, temporarily with an Oxygen hose following me along. "You'll get rid of most of that before long," I've been told. I'm a little better now, and back at home, resting a lot and taking pills and nebulizer treatments and a little oxygen as needed. "Slow down a little," I was advised. So I will.
The Good News
1. Another of the benefits of all those scans is that nothing was found that is scary. No lung cancer signs. No heart issues. Nothing in my digestive system or lungs, beyond some damage causing the COPD.
2. As the doctor who was supervising that part of the system said, "I don't know how you're getting away with this. If you slow down and do what we prescribe, your decrepit old 80 year old self will probably see you well into your 90s." After I told her that both of my parents lived to be 96, she said, "Well, you got some good genes from them, then. I was surprised that you didn't have any frightening surprises revealed. Lucky man!"
3. Every one who worked in that specialized wing was great. From the experienced doctors to the burka-clad Somali medical assistants, everyone was friendly, helpful and caring. Of course, I followed my father's advice given long ago, "If people are helping you in a bad time, give them your complete respect and keep all of your frustrations hidden. Thank each one, even if what they do hurts. They're caring for you. Be grateful and cooperative always." He was a wise, wise man, I assure you.
My Political Advice and Opinion about Medicare Advantage Programs
Many people curse at those here on DU. Not all of the naysayers offer good information. If you have choices offered to you when selecting one, do as much research as you can. Don't get the $0 premium version. Choose a plan near to the most expensive. You'll be glad you did, I promise. Then, learn how your provider operates, and what facilities and companies they're aligned with. Research those, too, and if you need services, go to the clinics, etc. that have the best reviews. Do this in advance of need. If you must go a few more miles to get to their best clinics, hospitals, etc., you'll be rewarded, as I was.
Don't listen to online naysayers. They are generally uninformed about your local options. Research what is available to you for yourself. It could save your life. Then, do what your medical pros tell you to do. Ask polite questions when you have them, and be patient. It's not always easy, but it's your best route. Treat those who help you as trusted friends. That's what they want to be. Give what you'd like to get.
I just got home yesterday. I'm still moving slowly as I recover. The old Grumpy MineralMan will be back shortly. Meanwhile, I probably won't comment on the replies in this thread as I usually do. I'll probably be resting up for a while longer. But, I wanted to say a few (a bunch) of words about this.
obamanut2012
(29,497 posts)Glad you came out of it in one piece.
Hey Joe
(779 posts)Hope you have a complete recovery soon and glad to see you back here!
angrychair
(12,467 posts)Very happy to hear you got good care and sounds like they jumped on it fast, which is also good.
Keep getting better and happy to hear you will be kicking around here for many years to come.
LetMyPeopleVote
(181,668 posts)Take care of yourself and get well
malaise
(297,706 posts)Take care of yourself
mcar
(46,289 posts)That's the most important thing.
Ocelot II
(131,134 posts)and established effective treatment (and of course using O2 would also be an excellent deterrent from smoking). Get well, take it easy!
As to your insurance situation - you're right; everyone should research all options carefully. I have regular Medicare along with a supplement I got as a retirement benefit from my old job, and so far it's worked very well for me. We are both very fortunate to have excellent medical resources in this area (my provider is affiliated with the University of Minnesota), so that's also a consideration when deciding what coverage to get.
Shellback Squid
(10,139 posts)I am reducing my vaping too...that's when I will consider myself an ex smoker when I am done with the vape
You will appreciate when you no longer spend $10/$14 on them and everything smells better including you
Good on ya!
underpants
(197,064 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(17,129 posts)CaptainTruth
(8,246 posts)leftstreet
(41,222 posts)calimary
(90,641 posts)Glad youre doing better!
Mollyann
(158 posts)We have used Kelsey Care Advantage since becoming eligible. My husband and I both have been diagnosed with cancer. He is six years out from his robotic prostate removal and I am over three years out from my right side laparoscopic colonectomy.
Fortunately neither of us have had to undergo radiation or chemo. We receive excellent care and do not need referrals to see a specialist. We are very pleased with the urologists, GI, dermatologists, cardiologists, oncologists, optometrists, audiologists etc. either one or both have seen. The surgeons and hospitals were excellent.
highplainsdem
(62,966 posts)take it easy and take good care of yourself.
I want to suggest, too, that you check out information on supplements that might help, especially CoQ10, and ask your doctors whether you should take it. Possibly they already recommended it. Just one article about it:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33441012/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/10.1080/15412555.2020.1849084?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed#d1e565
Twenty years ago my mom started developing heart failure after fifteen years of other heart problems. I asked her cardiologist at the heart clinic about CoQ10, which I'd read could be helpful for both heart failure and COPD (which she didn't have, despite having been a smoker until she had heart trouble). He approved of her taking it, said other patients of his took it. I asked why he hadn't recommended it and he said something about it not yet being standard enough treatment that the clinic wanted their cardiologists to mention it first to patients. Anyway, Mom recovered from heart failure after taking CoQ10.
She took quite a few supplements, always with her cardiologist and GP's approval. I've never forgotten an appointment where her cardiologist was showing her off to another cardiologist and an intern who had stopped by, explaining how many supplements she was on and how little medication, just one med, a blood thinner - and it was painfully obvious that they weren't interested in hearing about supplements. Mom's cardiologist once mentioned Canadian cardiologists he knew who were doing research on supplements, and he sounded envious.
She lived to 96, like your parents - passed away a few months before what would have been her 97th birthday. She'd had phlebitis in her 30s, failing kidneys in her 40s (supplements helped there, too), and had first developed heart trouble (which runs in the family, including my siblings) at 70.
A diagnosis is not a sentence. Health can almost always be improved. And it helps to have as much information as possible.
hlthe2b
(114,530 posts)..and even better that you are kicking the cigarettes. Keep the alcohol moderate too and reduce indoor and outdoor pollutants as much as possible (avoid outdoor physical exertion on bad air quality days and if indoor dust or other allergens is an issue, consider HEPA air purifiers in your home. All can help a lot. National Jewish Health is located in Denver (www.nationaljewish.org) --the world renowned center for respiratory diseases-- and I collaborated on a study with them some time ago. While our altitude is a major issue for COPD out here (and Denver's ozone pollution), the other issues mentioned really impact recovery and stabilization.
To your returned good health.
jmbar2
(8,135 posts)Thanks for the update and the useful information on your health insurance. I am bookmarking this for the future, in case I need to reconsider my insurance.
Best wishes for a comfortable recovery. Quitting smoking is a bitch.
Zackzzzz
(394 posts)IGNORE IT!!!
Don't lift those weights or do sit-ups.
Just sit back, with liquid and music of choice, and say to yourself isn't nice to feel great.
Share that moment with your wife.
I speak from experience.
FakeNoose
(42,265 posts)My parents were both heavy smokers for their entire lives, and they both died of cancer. I think my mom showed signs of emphysema but she wasn't diagnosed with it. Breast and lung cancers killed her at 62. My dad lived into his 80's but lung cancer finally got him too. Cigarettes are an awful thing and tobacco is the devil-weed. I'm so glad you've given them up for good.
Best of luck, MineralMan!
ShazzieB
(22,830 posts)My parents were also lifelong heavy smokers. They managed to escape cancer, but they both had cardiac issues that were were probably caused and definitely aggravated by the smoking, and my mom had COPD as well. My dad made it to 77, which doesn't sound that bad if you don't know that his father lived into his 90s and one of his sisters made it to 101. My mom only made it to 66 before succumbing to congestive heart failure (dad went first, because he was 20 years older). Mom wanted to quit smoking and made many half-hearted attempts, but never succeeded even after the COPD diagnosis.
I hate cigarettes with a passion and love the clean indoor air laws my state passed some time back.
mountain grammy
(29,166 posts)Concerned and happy all at once for you, and I have missed you!
Congratulations on quitting. Best thing youll ever do, I promise!
PatSeg
(53,452 posts)Sounds like you are recovering extremely well for an 80 year old! I've been dealing with COPD for many years and now congestive heart failure occasionally too.
I've been surprised at how many body parts have been wearing out in the past few years, sometimes resulting in surgery. So as you recuperate, I am laying on my couch doing the same thing. I think I have a few more years in me, but this can be exhausting.
Polly Hennessey
(8,940 posts)a grumpy old guy again.
My sister is an ICU nurse and some of her stories about how patients treat nurses is troubling. I sent her the quote from your father.
multigraincracker
(37,992 posts)Saved my life a couple of times.
multigraincracker
(37,992 posts)Ive got the best health insurance cant buy. UAW BC/BS. Have a pacemaker and I jog 3 to 5 miles about 5 days a week at age 76. All my Cardio docs say the same thing keep moving.
Wife has COPD and uses a machete at night and doing well. For anyone deciding on insurance in old age I recommend seeing your local Councilors On Aging. Best advise on what to get.
Hang in there and keep moving.
hamsterjill
(17,726 posts)Wishing you all the very best...
Jedi Guy
(3,493 posts)Glad you're doing better now and hope you continue to improve. I always enjoy reading your posts, they're very well thought out and insightful. All the best to you and your wife as you navigate this situation!
PCIntern
(28,555 posts)Your subconscious knew that something was wrong. Im glad youre convalescing!
Best,
PC
greatauntoftriplets
(179,296 posts)Best of luck for your return to health, and giving up smoking.
niyad
(133,815 posts)and healing.
SimplyHadEnough
(89 posts)I always enjoy your posting. Take care of yourself.
dflprincess
(29,408 posts)For what it's worth. I was a heavy smoker & used Chantex to quit, worked way better than the patches ever did for me. However, I did have done awful nausea the first couple weeks but never the vivid dreams. Also never had a craving for a cigarette since.
However you do it, good luck with putting. It's worth the effort.
pnwmom
(110,318 posts)with a supplement, and it requires no approvals from the insurer, and everything is covered by the main policy or the supplement. We did carefully research this choice and it fit with our preferences. We and our doctors decide what care we need, not an AI at an insurance company.
This is especially important if you have a rare disease. Unfortunately, you can't know in advance if you'll be one of those people.
LoisB
(13,372 posts)H2O Man
(79,210 posts)Recommended.
Permanut
(8,540 posts)Another 80 year old here, quit smoking 20 years ago after a heart scare. Glad to see you meet this challenge, and glad to see you back here.
Richluu
(157 posts)I'm glad your news us good! Keep healing!
DeeDeeNY
(3,962 posts)lostnfound
(17,616 posts)Trueblue Texan
(4,578 posts)Glad you are better! Glad you have good healthcare! Take it easy!