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pwb

(12,797 posts)
Mon May 11, 2026, 07:09 AM 7 hrs ago

Republicans can't Gerrymander Senate voters

and those voters will remember how poorly they were treated.
The Senate will be Democratic big time. IMO.
Please continue pukes.

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Republicans can't Gerrymander Senate voters (Original Post) pwb 7 hrs ago OP
That's a very true take on it. No gerrymander will help Senators. bucolic_frolic 7 hrs ago #1
The founding fathers knew Whip-poor-will 7 hrs ago #2
The constitution doesn't mention the 30,000 population districts EdmondDantes_ 5 hrs ago #11
Well, kinda ITAL 4 hrs ago #16
The Northern states legally converted their slaves to indentured unc70 4 hrs ago #20
There were plenty of slaves in the north ITAL 3 hrs ago #21
The way my constitution copy reads Whip-poor-will 4 hrs ago #18
Yes. Flipping the Senate has to be a top priority now... though I still think they screwed themselves with a lot of LymphocyteLover 7 hrs ago #3
The senate is already gerrymandered (and then some) FBaggins 6 hrs ago #4
Yes! Idaho, N&S Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana combine for 10 Senators, but have fewer people than Los Angeles. TheRickles 6 hrs ago #5
Its awful and impossible to change Johonny 1 hr ago #22
Exactly right - I came here to say the same FakeNoose 6 hrs ago #6
Agree. This was the Founders intention. That via the Senate, every state gets equal representation no matter population Cheezoholic 6 hrs ago #7
Jamelle Bouie recommends increasing it to six senators per state Fiendish Thingy 5 hrs ago #13
That would require an amendment FBaggins 5 hrs ago #14
Changing the size of the house would not. Fiendish Thingy 4 hrs ago #17
Fantasyland stuff. Totally unrealistic. BannonsLiver 4 hrs ago #19
This is the time for Democrats in red states to use strategic voting... appmanga 6 hrs ago #8
Not all states allow that radical noodle 5 hrs ago #10
I believe LA is an open jungle primary... appmanga 5 hrs ago #12
I am hopeful. But be prepared for anything. It's a war. Joinfortmill 5 hrs ago #9
Gerrymandering doesn't work when you alienate your voters RainCaster 5 hrs ago #15

bucolic_frolic

(55,716 posts)
1. That's a very true take on it. No gerrymander will help Senators.
Mon May 11, 2026, 07:10 AM
7 hrs ago

Dems should double down on that idea.

Whip-poor-will

(475 posts)
2. The founding fathers knew
Mon May 11, 2026, 07:16 AM
7 hrs ago

And if we had the constitutional mandated 30,000 per Representative this would be mute.

You can easily find 218 republicans to sell their soul for a big bribe, campaign contribution, the puny congress number now allowed.

show me where the constitution was amended to change to one Representative to 600,000 1/20th of our deserved representation.

EdmondDantes_

(2,028 posts)
11. The constitution doesn't mention the 30,000 population districts
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:08 AM
5 hrs ago

Madison recommended it, but it was never put in.

Also those same founders thought slaves were worth 3/5ths and generally that only white men who owned property could vote. They weren't perfect.

ITAL

(1,362 posts)
16. Well, kinda
Mon May 11, 2026, 10:07 AM
4 hrs ago

The three fifths thing wasn't what southerners thought they were worth. Hell, the South wanted them counted as full people. It was folks in Northern states, who had many fewer slaves (can't say there were none, but in comparison northerners had next to zero), who didn't want them counted at all.

unc70

(6,511 posts)
20. The Northern states legally converted their slaves to indentured
Mon May 11, 2026, 10:50 AM
4 hrs ago

That allowed them to be fully counted, but they still could not vote. They and their children were indentured at birth.

ITAL

(1,362 posts)
21. There were plenty of slaves in the north
Mon May 11, 2026, 11:31 AM
3 hrs ago

When the Constitution was ratified. I mean, not anywhere close to as many as there were in the south, and that number decreased from 1787 onward, but emancipation went very slowly in the north (most of the laws were something along the lines of like "no one born after *this date* is a slave" or similar, which meant that current ones were often kept in bondage), taking some of them sixty years to become fully free states.

That was another bone of contention between some of the southern slave holding states and the hardcore abolitionists (rather than the folks like Lincoln who sought to hold the line on expansion of slavery), given they were often calling for immediate abolition. The slaveholding south thought those people were being hypocrites since the northern states had started with a much smaller population and it still took some of them multiple generations to free them all.

Whip-poor-will

(475 posts)
18. The way my constitution copy reads
Mon May 11, 2026, 10:45 AM
4 hrs ago

Article 1 section 3 " The number shall not exceed one for every 30,000 but each state shall have one "

LymphocyteLover

(10,083 posts)
3. Yes. Flipping the Senate has to be a top priority now... though I still think they screwed themselves with a lot of
Mon May 11, 2026, 07:44 AM
7 hrs ago

their gerrymandering that dilutes red districts

FBaggins

(28,737 posts)
4. The senate is already gerrymandered (and then some)
Mon May 11, 2026, 08:02 AM
6 hrs ago

That’s why 40 million Californians only get two senate seats while tiny red states get the same number.

Just as importantly… only 1/3 of the seats are up in any given election. We basically have to run the table on competitive seats in order to take control 51-49 (and that assumes Fetterman resists changing parties). “Big time” is not in the cards

TheRickles

(3,504 posts)
5. Yes! Idaho, N&S Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana combine for 10 Senators, but have fewer people than Los Angeles.
Mon May 11, 2026, 08:17 AM
6 hrs ago

Johonny

(26,535 posts)
22. Its awful and impossible to change
Mon May 11, 2026, 01:15 PM
1 hr ago

And in the modern America, this makes little sense.

FakeNoose

(42,265 posts)
6. Exactly right - I came here to say the same
Mon May 11, 2026, 08:27 AM
6 hrs ago

However some of the "tiny" states are D voters also - I'm thinking of Delaware and Hawaii. It seems to come down to percentage of city-dwellers vs. rural-culture, and also the quality of education per state.

Your point about California and New York being unfairly represented in the Senate is well taken. It is what it is.

Cheezoholic

(3,859 posts)
7. Agree. This was the Founders intention. That via the Senate, every state gets equal representation no matter population
Mon May 11, 2026, 08:35 AM
6 hrs ago

The purpose is to prevent the citizens from one state from making decisions for citizens of another state just because one state is more populated. Its at the STATE level of representation because we are a REPUBLIC. The House is the counter the that. From a States standpoint I believe this is sensible.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,933 posts)
13. Jamelle Bouie recommends increasing it to six senators per state
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:22 AM
5 hrs ago

Along with increasing the house to 50-100% more seats.

If we can elect enough Democrats to expand the court in 2029, perhaps some adjustments to congress can be on the agenda as well.

FBaggins

(28,737 posts)
14. That would require an amendment
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:48 AM
5 hrs ago

I also don’t see how it changes the underlying issue of the same representation per state

(Not that I disagree with the founders’ design in that regard. I just recognize the current impact adds challenges)

Fiendish Thingy

(23,933 posts)
17. Changing the size of the house would not.
Mon May 11, 2026, 10:09 AM
4 hrs ago

But I wouldn’t mind the 2028 Dem nominee campaigning on amendments that weaken the article II powers of the executive and article III powers of the courts, while increasing the article I powers of congress.

In the post-Trump era, there just might be an appetite for such amendments from both parties.

BannonsLiver

(20,825 posts)
19. Fantasyland stuff. Totally unrealistic.
Mon May 11, 2026, 10:46 AM
4 hrs ago

It’s such an unintentional bit of comedy from one who is certain Trump isn’t capable of doing anything and everything possible to acquire or stay in power, yet somehow believes we can, with a magic wand, expand the court, unilaterally change the constitution, expand the congress, expand the senate all by winning a mid term. Amazing!.

I know you’re not a fan of CT, and neither am I, but surely you must see these things you talk about so casually are every bit as ludicrous as the CT? You know that, right?

appmanga

(1,520 posts)
8. This is the time for Democrats in red states to use strategic voting...
Mon May 11, 2026, 08:39 AM
6 hrs ago

...in Republican primaries where the winner is pretty certain to be a Republican. Spoil Trump's plans to turf out Bill Cassidy in LA by voting for him. Will he became a great Democratic ally? I doubt it, but we can stop another MAGAt rubber stamp from getting in while screwing Trump.

Vote in the SC primary to send Lindsay Graham packing by voting for his primary opponent simply by asking for a Republican ballot on Primary Day and using it. When I still lived in GA-06 and we were guaranteed to have a Republican, we used strategic voting to bounce Bob Barr. Yes, we still got a Republican, but it wasn't a white supremacist who went after Bill Clinton, and we ended Barr's political career.

It's great to be angry, but we can also take action to punish those we can to show strength and power in as many ways as we can. This is just one.

radical noodle

(10,680 posts)
10. Not all states allow that
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:06 AM
5 hrs ago

In Florida, you must re-register as the other party to be able to vote that party's ticket in the primary. And I believe it must be done at least 30 days before the primary. Don't know how other states handle it. In Indiana you could indeed choose at the polls when I lived there. Don't know if that's still true.

appmanga

(1,520 posts)
12. I believe LA is an open jungle primary...
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:14 AM
5 hrs ago

...and I know SC allows you to ask for whichever ballot you want for the primary on-site. GA used to do the same, and I think they still do.

RainCaster

(13,863 posts)
15. Gerrymandering doesn't work when you alienate your voters
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:54 AM
5 hrs ago

If you completely alienate your voters by driving up food and gas prices, they will either stay away or vote for another option.

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