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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWOW! This is how Democrats could communicate! One of the best ads I've ever seen by the England and Wales Green Party!
For those that do not know, UK local elections are next Thursday and political parties are allotted a TV slots for their political broadcasts. I love this messaging by the Green Party!
Beartracks
(14,633 posts)Doodley
(12,041 posts)Missing tooth, no suit, no vanity, humble. You can really believe he's struggling like tens of millions of others. 2/ He comes across as genuinely passionate and understanding about the issues that people care about. 3/ The running really grabs your attention like no other ad.
QueerDuck
(1,910 posts)because the UK Greens are playing a different game. They're a minor party in a multi-party system, so their job is to be the 'pure' alternative to fire up a specific 5% of the population.
In the US, the Democrats have to actually win 50.1% of the vote in a two-party system. If they ran ads that only appealed to the 'already converted' on the far left, theyd lose the center-right and moderate voters they need to actually win an election. Its the difference between being a loud voice on the sidelines and actually having the keys to the building. While something like this fires up the base, it's risky for a national US party. Moderate messaging is more effective for high-stakes general elections where the goal is to be "credible" rather than just "radical".
In the UK, the Green Party doesn't expect to win a majority. Their ads are designed for a multi-party system where "winning" can mean getting 510% of the vote to secure a few seats or influence a coalition. They can afford to be "pure" and "angry" because they are building a niche brand. Recently, the Greens celebrated their "best ever" result by winning just 4 seats out of 650. 🥳🎉
In our two-party system, a major party like the Democrats must build a "Big Tent" coalition. To actually govern, they have to win over moderate and center-right voters in swing states. An ad that thrills a far-left activist on discussion forums is often the exact same ad that alienates a rural voter in Pennsylvania.
But, I take your point. It's a great ad... for them... over there.
Doodley
(12,041 posts)But look at the style of the ad for select mid-term elections and other local elections, obviously the content can change, but many of the issues - affordability, healthcare, wealth going to the top are what Democrats are talking about for the mid-terms. There are a couple of things I didn't understand in your post. Why would you think this is only going to fire up five percent of the population in England and Wales? Do you really think the Green Party getting five to ten percent in England and Wales would be considered a win in these elections, given their surge in popularity? Which part of the ad would you describe as "far left?"
You think that ad is radical? Maybe in your neighborhood. Not in mine, and not in the neighborhoods of 80% of the people.
Doodley
(12,041 posts)The ad talks of issues that affect the majority of Americans. I agree. It's not radical. It's not "far left" either.
Magoo48
(6,733 posts)And, many might be surprised at the solutions seniors come up with to hoarding at the top and the collusion of the majority of politicians. Majority? Yes: all republicans and more than a few democrats.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,476 posts)Often the second largest choice - about equal with Labour and the Tories (and you can chart their rise to that position pretty much from when Zack Polanski was elected their leader).
And talking of rural voters, while the Green Party had for many years been only notable in "progressive" cities, 2 of the 4 seats they won in 2024 were rural. They have expanded their appeal well.
The English local elections (for which this ad was made - along with, perhaps, the Welsh Senedd elections) this coming Thursday will be a good test. The 2 projections that I know of (admittedly, projections are hard for this) have them winning the second most number of seats (behind the horrible Reform party of Farage, unfortunately).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_Kingdom_local_elections#Polls
peppertree
(23,427 posts)Not being British, I'll defer to your obviously better insights on this - but I can't help but suspect that, in a first-past-the-post system, that's just how the cookie would end up crumbling.
Or, should I say, the tea biscuit (which reminds me - I'm out of Digestives!).
muriel_volestrangler
(106,476 posts)They've been ahead of the Conservatives in all recent polls. They are benefitting from the "we need new politicians" feeling on the right, like the Greens are on the left. If you regard Lib Dems as centre-left rather than centrist (I would, personally), then the split on left is between 3 parties in England (4 in Wales and Scotland, where the independence parties are left-leaning).
So we see, in an "MRP" poll that attempts to applies figures from national polls to each seat (about 630 in Great Britain - Northern Ireland having entirely different parties):
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_vipoll_20260423.html
Party-% of vote-seats
Reform 24% 188
Con 21% 159
Lab 17% 86
Green 15% 71
LibDem 11% 61
SNP 3% 44
Plaid 1% 17
Other 8% 6
('Others' who'd win seats are probably all ex-Labour - pro-Corbyn types, and who may now be in the "Your Party" party)
You could say that's right wing parties with 45% of the vote, getting 347 seats, and left with 47% getting 279.
I suspect that Reform, which has a history of selecting racist, misogynist, crooked etc. candidates, will bleed support from now on, but they could still be the most popular single party by the next election.
peppertree
(23,427 posts)I've never read such a detailed - yet concise - recap of the current state of U.K. electoral politics.
Multi-party democracies really are so much more interesting - and you just illustrated why.
I'm sure Needy Amin is very much hoping that the left/center-left can indeed be divided just enough to put Farage or some-such Milei-style goon in power at Downing Street (though, of course, not quite that ludicrous!).
And he may just get his wish, it seems - as the Pig for Hell has so often in the past decade or so, as you know.
Thanks again.
LOL
mountain grammy
(29,134 posts)but chip, chip, chip... this would inspire many Americans.. nowhere near 50% but chip, chip, chip...
flashman13
(2,530 posts)Red or blue, we are all getting screwed by the same people for the same reasons. I'm in favor of raising everyone's boat. It's time for once in a century change.
SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)Is James Talarico in Texas
And boy is it working
https://democraticunderground.com/100221211510
Platner too actually. But that is less surprising in a blue state like Maine. Nonetheless it would work in almost every deep red and purple state.
flashman13
(2,530 posts)Some incumbent Democrats are going to end up kicking their lunch box down the road before this is over.
SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)Talarico is leading by 8 in the general election on this exact type of platform. If it can work in texas it would work in the presidential election. The UK and US are different in many ways. But not in the humanity and reality that this ad hits deep at.
https://democraticunderground.com/100221211510
popsdenver
(2,500 posts)exists purely to hijack votes from the Dems........
Doodley
(12,041 posts)popsdenver
(2,500 posts)was unquestionably a Russian Agent............
IronLionZion
(51,489 posts)But we'll all grow old and die waiting for it to trickle down.
Doodley
(12,041 posts)IronLionZion
(51,489 posts)they don't spend enough, ironically. They like to preserve it through the types of investments that grow their wealth rather than mythical hiring more workers as "job creators". That's why common ways to wealth are private equity and hedge funds, more known for mass layoffs than job growth.
patphil
(9,172 posts)I'm not buying the defeatist attitude some of the posts put forth. That attitude is how we lose.
This may be a UK political ad, but the message is just as pertinent, just as timely, and just as clear as can be for Americans right here and right now.
Years ago when Obama visited Australia he spoke of three things the USA shoud adopt to calm the political divide:
1. Preferential voting (ranked choice)
2. Compulsory voting
3. Paper ballots
Can the idea of any of this even get traction on DU? Never, no way. Because none of them are the American way. BTW, I love the ad in the OP. It's real and relevant.
Doodley
(12,041 posts)are doing better and how we can learn from that. In America, we have two options, and are told we have two options and we are the best, so no need to look outside.
Doodley
(12,041 posts)Doodley
(12,041 posts)in September to 226,000 now, has more than doubled party support in the polls, and won its first ever special election for a member of parliament. This ad explains a lot. In the 1990s, I wanted to be part of my local Green party in my town when I lived in England, but I discovered there was no green party in my town!
KPN
(17,484 posts)calimary
(90,507 posts)Sign me up!
Bluetus
(3,011 posts)because their district is just so much different from everybody else.
BULLSHIT !!!
These are the core feelings that animate races in EVERY district in the country, except maybe the heart of Silicon Valley.
And guess what? Americans all over the country have been feeling this way for 45 years, since Reagan brought us the blessings of trickle-down economics. We need to be hitting these core issues hard, and Dems would be wise to copy this video frame-by-frame.
The old saying, "all politics is local" might have had a tiny kernel of truth many decades ago, but it is not even slightly true now. Americans understand the system is broken for working people, but working great for the already rich and powerful.
We need campaigns that are based on EAT THE RICH (figuratively speaking, of course).
malaise
(297,425 posts)Rec
KPN
(17,484 posts)in and ad like this ... but other than that, this ad would be effective at almost every level (local, state, congressional) in almost everywhere in America.
Ilsa
(64,497 posts)spends more time pinpointing the causes, such as Citizen's United, amoral justices, fake religiousity, extreme capitalism, etc, IIRC. He nails the gop and maga.
SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)feat. And largely again dependent on the facts you just pointed to.
highplainsdem
(62,814 posts)Gum Logger
(413 posts)It would be great to have marketing the Scotch-Irish would take interest