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ShazzieB

(22,803 posts)
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:37 AM Saturday

I knew that tattoo of Platner's sounded familiar.

Not the specific tattoo, but the whole scenario of getting a tattoo that doesn't convey what you thought it would convey. And I was right; it's not just a tattoo, it's a whole trope.

Embarrassing Tattoo

A comedy trope, in which a character has – what else? – an embarrassing tattoo. It might be shoddily done, misspelled, or show the name of a former romantic partner. It might be written in a language the wearer doesn't understand (or even read) and thus not mean what they think it does. It might be part of a trend that has been Condemned by History. It might represent a gang or hate group, or otherwise not reflect the wearer's current beliefs or lifestyle. It might be a design or symbol from a culture to which the wearer has little or no relevant connection. It might be warped due to age, weight changes, pregnancy, or infection. It may have been the work of an amateur artist. It might be the location of the tattoo that is embarrassing (e.g.: on the buttocks or near the genitals). It might also be the result of teenage whim; even if the person was legally an adult at the time, what looks cool at 19 can easily become embarrassing by 30. Bonus points, or perhaps a Face Palm (depending on the perspective), if Alcohol-Induced Idiocy is a factor, regardless of whether it's the one doing or getting the tattoo.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EmbarrassingTattoo


In other words, he's far from the first person to ever get a tattoo that turned out to be a big mistake, and he definitely won't be the last. Democrats need to get over it already.

P.S. I don't expect everyone to agree, and that's okay. I just hope people will think about it. We have a real shot at flipping Susan Collins' seat from red to blue. Let's not blow it.









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I knew that tattoo of Platner's sounded familiar. (Original Post) ShazzieB Saturday OP
If not him, then who? walkingman Saturday #1
Well,... There is always the old standby. magicarpet Saturday #26
I wish Senator Susan Collins would put her red MAGA hat on gifted to her by King Dotard. She would look so cute. magicarpet Saturday #28
In a State modrepub Saturday #2
No, probably not a liability, displacedvermoter Saturday #4
If he won the D primary and would vote for the D Senate Majority Leader RandomNumbers Saturday #7
Fair enough... displacedvermoter Saturday #8
Who hasn't gotten a cute dolphin tat... jmbar2 Saturday #3
the circle of life...the growing and stretching circle of life. ret5hd Saturday #5
all-encompassing circle of life jmbar2 Saturday #9
Get a Nazi death camp guard tattoo while drunk one thing...having it for almost 20 years I less understand EX500rider Saturday #6
oh I understand it alright Skittles Yesterday #34
Intellectual Honesty Test... would you feel the same way if a GOP'er had the Nazi tattoo WarGamer Saturday #10
A very good question sarisataka Saturday #14
Should we jump on board for Susan Collins now? Kingofalldems Saturday #23
I'm glad I don't live in Maine. I'd never vote for her but I get bad vibes from him. FascismIsDeath Saturday #25
Good on you about Gabbard and Cha 18 hrs ago #55
I still watched "Real Time" back then and RFJ jr was sort of a regular. FascismIsDeath 17 hrs ago #57
I remember those ASSad/Gabbard wars on Cha 16 hrs ago #58
obviously not... WarGamer Yesterday #46
That's an interesting thought BannonsLiver 1 hr ago #64
It isn't the tattoo. It is how he handled it Bluetus Saturday #11
I think he explained himself Mossfern Saturday #12
It's on their fucking hats. Iggo Saturday #18
A skulll and crossbones? Mossfern Saturday #19
Not "a" skull and crossbones, but "that" skull and crossbones. Iggo Saturday #20
Here's mass murderer and war criminal Jochen Peiper sporting that same logo as the tattoo WarGamer Yesterday #47
Never Forget. Iggo 23 hrs ago #50
SS officer cap sarisataka Saturday #21
Thanks for the clarification Mossfern Saturday #29
Yeah, I've read a half dozen books on the nazis and watched ALL (well not all but lots) the documentaries on the nazis Hassin Bin Sober Saturday #30
he did get it removed eShirl Saturday #13
That is not my understanding. Bluetus Saturday #17
He had an entire tattoo placed over it. Hassin Bin Sober Saturday #31
There are articles to that effect. Bluetus Saturday #33
It took him nearly 20 years to do so ... n/t wackadoo wabbit Yesterday #36
One thing about the military, generally speaking there is no shortage of opportunities Uncle Joe Saturday #15
I have to believe that he knew what it was and he's lying about it, or that he's too dumb to know what it was. Iggo Saturday #16
I see the republicans do not like this guy. Kingofalldems Saturday #22
Republicans and the conservative bingo brigade hate him. Hassin Bin Sober Saturday #32
And I remember the bingo brigade who hounded Joy Reid over supposed homophobic posts made Nixie Yesterday #37
Her being a homophobic bigot and lying about it EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #43
That's not what I was getting at. My post was about those Nixie Yesterday #44
"NO RAGRETS" flvegan Saturday #24
I was in the army during training and every single base had at least 5 tattoo businesses within 10 miles... Enter stage left Saturday #27
He had it for NEARLY 20 YEARS before deciding to cover it up wackadoo wabbit Yesterday #35
i just saw your post and didn't realize he just covered it up because of this campaign now.... Nixie Yesterday #39
Platner just said recently on Jen Psaki's show that he lives in rural Maine and has a lot of friends Nixie Yesterday #38
There's a post somewhere here in General Discussion.... LAS14 Yesterday #42
Look up 3rd Panzer Division Totenkopf. It's right there. My husband recognized it right away, Nixie Yesterday #45
that's impossible... it's the one of the most recognizable images of WW2 WarGamer Yesterday #48
Ww2 ended 81 years ago, why would you expect a 40 year old to be familiar with the symbolism? questionseverything 22 hrs ago #51
One would expect sarisataka 18 hrs ago #56
exactly... it's like a Roman History Classicist having no idea what SPQR means WarGamer 12 hrs ago #59
The candidate isn't claiming to be a historian, is he? questionseverything 10 hrs ago #60
We are talking about the claimed historian sarisataka 2 hrs ago #62
I would have to say that historian sarisataka Yesterday #49
This message was self-deleted by its author usedtobedemgurl Yesterday #40
Good points. Thanks. nt LAS14 Yesterday #41
As a Jew, the tattoo really pesters me LetMyPeopleVote 22 hrs ago #52
I am so glad I don't have to vote for him. 50 Shades Of Blue 22 hrs ago #53
Me, too. But Dems in Maine should absolutely vote for him. Iggo 18 hrs ago #54
Back around the late 80s to the early 90s, I knew a guy who called himself "Stardust" and was a "christian"... GReedDiamond 10 hrs ago #61
Yeah, sure RoseTrellis 1 hr ago #63
Why? BannonsLiver 1 hr ago #65

magicarpet

(19,186 posts)
26. Well,... There is always the old standby.
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:17 PM
Saturday

Susan Collins would be happy to return as the senior senator representing Maine. She is often more concerned and freequently worried about legislation matters in Washington DC than Margaret Chase Smith was. But Susan Collins is always so reliable and ultimately votes 97.8% MAGA. And her squeaky little voice just grows on you.

I wonder if we should stick with her ?

magicarpet

(19,186 posts)
28. I wish Senator Susan Collins would put her red MAGA hat on gifted to her by King Dotard. She would look so cute.
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:40 PM
Saturday

Trump praises Collins as she holds MAGA hat at bill signing

Beacon Staff February 4, 2026

Any past divisions between Pres. Donald Trump and Maine’s senior senator weren’t in view on Tuesday as Sen. Susan Collins stood next to Trump at a bill signing, held a red hat emblazoned with the slogan “America is Back” and received his praise.

“All right, you’re doing good,” Trump told Collins, as he lauded a series of lawmakers and signed a budget bill that he called “a great victory for the American people.”

Trump noted that the bill cuts funding for PBS and NPR, “continues the closure of USAID,” and cuts funding for tax evasion enforcement at the IRS.

The bill provides only temporary funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and sets up a potential showdown over their violent and lawless tactics over the next two weeks.

Trump also took the opportunity to oppose requiring ICE to obtain judicial warrants to search homes and to downplay controversy over the latest release of documents related to child rapist Jeffrey Epstein.

More at link below,...

https://mainebeacon.com/trump-praises-collins-as-she-holds-maga-hat-at-bill-signing/

modrepub

(4,164 posts)
2. In a State
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:54 AM
Saturday

that's over 90% white, half of which despises it's most populous city, I don't think this will be much of a liability.

How gas prices and prices behave the next couple of months is going to be key. If it's half as bad as I expect, a lot of vulnerable incumbents in the Republican Party are going to be looking for jobs in the lobbying and consulting fields.

displacedvermoter

(4,888 posts)
4. No, probably not a liability,
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:03 PM
Saturday

and that, I guess, is a good thing. Where does Joe Rogan live? If we could convince him to run for Congress, the Senate or for Governor as a Democrat, wherever that is, most of the nasty shit he has said over the years wouldn't be a liability, either.

Wouldn't necessarily be a great Democrat, or a sincere one, but he could likely draw MMA voters!

RandomNumbers

(19,248 posts)
7. If he won the D primary and would vote for the D Senate Majority Leader
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:07 PM
Saturday

I would support his election.

Even though he's a piece of work.

jmbar2

(8,101 posts)
3. Who hasn't gotten a cute dolphin tat...
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:58 AM
Saturday

That turned into a hump-back whale as we got older?

EX500rider

(12,685 posts)
6. Get a Nazi death camp guard tattoo while drunk one thing...having it for almost 20 years I less understand
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:06 PM
Saturday

WarGamer

(18,814 posts)
10. Intellectual Honesty Test... would you feel the same way if a GOP'er had the Nazi tattoo
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:18 PM
Saturday

And blamed women for rape?

sarisataka

(22,777 posts)
14. A very good question
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:17 PM
Saturday

which is destined to go unanswered.

I suppose we should get used to this if it is going to be 'when they go low, we go lower'.

FascismIsDeath

(229 posts)
25. I'm glad I don't live in Maine. I'd never vote for her but I get bad vibes from him.
Sat May 2, 2026, 08:58 PM
Saturday

I was against Tulsi Gabbard when she was still an elected Democrat in the House. And I've been saying for many years that RFK was a weirdo, back when he was still a long time registered Democrat who had fans among the party base.

I get similar vibes from Platner. Maybe my instincts are wrong this time but I'm glad I don't live in Maine because it would be very difficult to vote for him. Naturally, I still hope we win that seat because it will be better than Collins.

Cha

(320,161 posts)
55. Good on you about Gabbard and
Sun May 3, 2026, 07:41 PM
18 hrs ago

and RFK Jr.

Gabbard was my rep, and I started voting against her in the primaries in 2014. She turned out to be a nazi.

I never paid attention to the nazi bobby until he started running for President. Gawd!

And, I was for Coonor Lamb.

FascismIsDeath

(229 posts)
57. I still watched "Real Time" back then and RFJ jr was sort of a regular.
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:03 PM
17 hrs ago

So I figured out he was a weird nut job back then. Though he was a little more guarded about it.

Tulsi set off red flags for me with some thinly veiled Islamophobic and homophobic stuff early on and then she associated with Modi and Assad. its been so long I don't remember exactly all the things that tipped me off. But she also just has a vacant look in her eyes. I just always knew something was off about her.

BannonsLiver

(20,778 posts)
64. That's an interesting thought
Mon May 4, 2026, 12:31 PM
1 hr ago

Speaking of the GOP, what kind of tea are you hearing on the ground re: other gop voters and Platner?

Bluetus

(3,018 posts)
11. It isn't the tattoo. It is how he handled it
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:22 PM
Saturday

We might be able to accept he didn't know it was a popular Nazi symbol. I never saw that symbol before this ordeal, so I can believe he just thought it looked cool.

We might even be able to accept a redemption story that, as a young man, he explored other philosophies, including Nazi thinking, and has rejected that as he matured.

What is hard to accept is that, once confronted with the Nazi connection, he didn't simply repudiate that and pay $1000 to get the tattoo removed. That indicates bad judgment. And the fact that he still hasn't dealt with this amplifies that concern.

Mossfern

(4,747 posts)
12. I think he explained himself
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:38 PM
Saturday

and whether or not he gets the tattoo removed is a personal choice. The only reason that people understand that it may be a Nazi themed tattoo is a minor detail of the overall work. Don't overlook the forest for the trees.

To be fair, I'll look it up again, but I do believe it was a small detail that if not expert in Nazi regalia would be totally unnoticed.
Removing it doesn't mean it never happened.

Iggo

(50,019 posts)
18. It's on their fucking hats.
Sat May 2, 2026, 05:50 PM
Saturday

Forehead, dead center.

I’m not an expert. And neither are millions upon millions upon millions of other citizens of the world who know what Nazis look like.

Im supposed to believe he’s an ex-mercenary, who wore the military insignia of the Nazi SS for almost twenty years without ever knowing it? I’m never going to buy that story, and I will loudly oppose that notion every time it’s brought up.

So if you people don’t want to keep hearing it from me and people like me, then quit bringing it up.

Iggo

(50,019 posts)
20. Not "a" skull and crossbones, but "that" skull and crossbones.
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:49 PM
Saturday

I’m out of here before I say something stupid.



VOTE FOR PLATNER.

WarGamer

(18,814 posts)
47. Here's mass murderer and war criminal Jochen Peiper sporting that same logo as the tattoo
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:23 AM
Yesterday

Mossfern

(4,747 posts)
29. Thanks for the clarification
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:07 PM
Saturday

I guess I'm naive,
I wonder how many people, before this controversy started, knew the difference.
I just assumed the artist was being creative.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,488 posts)
30. Yeah, I've read a half dozen books on the nazis and watched ALL (well not all but lots) the documentaries on the nazis
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:40 PM
Saturday

I guess I’m not an expert on nazi imagery or uniforms.

Because I would call that a skull and crossbones.

I’ve heard the term “death’s head regiment” and always thought the hats a skull (no bones).


I wonder if Jerry was a nazi. Lately, right wingers have been claiming Jerry would have been a Republican

Bluetus

(3,018 posts)
17. That is not my understanding.
Sat May 2, 2026, 03:20 PM
Saturday

I believe he just got it altered to look less like the Nazi artwork.

You might say, "What's the difference?" And to some people maybe one is as good as the other. To me, I think just about everyone who gets tattoos knows that we have technology to remove them. It may be more expensive than the original tattoo, but we’re talking something like $500 for one treatment to $2000 for several treatments. It seems really obvious to me that removal would have been the best solution. That would fit the story:

"I got this as a young man, and I had no idea there was an association with any Nazi groups. I absolutely repudiate Nazism in all its forms. I am immediately starting treatments to have it removed, and I apologize for people who were offended by this."


This option is STILL open to him, as the default candidate. It is troubling to me that he does not address it. It would be so simple.

Bluetus

(3,018 posts)
33. There are articles to that effect.
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:54 PM
Saturday

However, I saw one reference: "He stated he was 'horrified' to learn of the connection (with the Nazi symbology), moved to have the tattoo covered immediately, and planned to have it removed."

It isn't clear to me that he followed through on that last bit.

Uncle Joe

(65,412 posts)
15. One thing about the military, generally speaking there is no shortage of opportunities
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:03 PM
Saturday

off base to visit tattoo parlors, topless bars, and pawn shops.

Those businesses know their market, late teens to mid 20s, and disproportionately men.

Thanks for the thread ShazzieB

Iggo

(50,019 posts)
16. I have to believe that he knew what it was and he's lying about it, or that he's too dumb to know what it was.
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:22 PM
Saturday

That’s the math of it.

He’s selling the second option, which you say may, in fact, be the truth.

Let’s say it is. That doesn’t make me feel any better.

Kingofalldems

(40,354 posts)
22. I see the republicans do not like this guy.
Sat May 2, 2026, 07:55 PM
Saturday

Therefore I support him all the way.

Interesting thread.

Nixie

(18,086 posts)
37. And I remember the bingo brigade who hounded Joy Reid over supposed homophobic posts made
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:40 AM
Yesterday

close to 20 years ago, when we all knew what the attacks on Joy were really about. How does this work -- if you object to offensive comments or symbolism, you are conservative?

EdmondDantes_

(2,003 posts)
43. Her being a homophobic bigot and lying about it
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:27 AM
Yesterday

Isn't excused because some might have criticized her for racist reasons. Nor can you honestly lump all criticism of her actual homophobic posts on her own website as due to racism.

Nixie

(18,086 posts)
44. That's not what I was getting at. My post was about those
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:31 AM
Yesterday

who slur others as conservatives because they are offended by commonly recognized offensive things.

Enter stage left

(4,624 posts)
27. I was in the army during training and every single base had at least 5 tattoo businesses within 10 miles...
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:25 PM
Saturday

Many of my fellow soldiers got tattoos, especially near Fort Benning, GA.

I couldn't swear to this, but knowing what was like when you were on leave, most of them WERE drunk or close to it when they got their tattoos.

You have to remember, these young men are 18 to 23 years old, and many of them had never used alcohol until they went on leave from a military base.

In other words, Platner's explanation could be and most likely is true!

Vote for Platner. He can't be worse than Collins.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,307 posts)
35. He had it for NEARLY 20 YEARS before deciding to cover it up
Sun May 3, 2026, 12:55 AM
Yesterday

Think about it. Assuming a young drunk military guy gets a tattoo that he doesn't understand. OK, I guess that happens. Surely in the intervening TWO DECADES he learns what it represents. Why wouldn't he have had it removed or covered up then? Why did he wait until it became an issue in his campaign?

Could it be because he actually agreed with the sentiment represented by that tattoo?

Nixie

(18,086 posts)
39. i just saw your post and didn't realize he just covered it up because of this campaign now....
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:51 AM
Yesterday

wow, that is interesting. Obviously I haven't been reading the media articles about him, but this does change things if he just did it to run for office.

Nixie

(18,086 posts)
38. Platner just said recently on Jen Psaki's show that he lives in rural Maine and has a lot of friends
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:48 AM
Yesterday

who voted for Trump. He said he works on the water now. Combine all that with his military background, and it's highly doubtful he didn't know what the tattoo was when he got it and it suited him -- until it didn't.* But his macho persona doesn't seem to match a dumb guy going to get a tattoo. He knew what he was getting and it fit his image at the time. Having nazi tattoos probably didn't help him in business much as he aged, but I wouldn't buy any dumb drunk guy story of not knowing what he was putting on his body.

*just seeing that Platner only covered up his tattoo because of his current campaign.

LAS14

(15,535 posts)
42. There's a post somewhere here in General Discussion....
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:07 AM
Yesterday

...from a few days ago by a historian whose field includes Nazi Germany. He said he wouldn't have recognized it as a Nazi symbol. I, for sure, didn't. Looks like another stupid skull and crossbones to me.

Nixie

(18,086 posts)
45. Look up 3rd Panzer Division Totenkopf. It's right there. My husband recognized it right away,
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:00 AM
Yesterday

but he's a lifelong war history buff. He can identify all the planes in the old films, all the uniforms. They are symbolic.

But I don't take it that people are judging the tattoo itself, only the implications of the mindset of what that might imply about the person who chooses that and what that means about his real political affiliations since he's new to the scene and voted for a Republican before. Those are fair questions.

questionseverything

(11,918 posts)
51. Ww2 ended 81 years ago, why would you expect a 40 year old to be familiar with the symbolism?
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:33 PM
22 hrs ago

sarisataka

(22,777 posts)
56. One would expect
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:04 PM
18 hrs ago

"a historian whose field includes Nazi Germany" to have at least a passing familiarity with Nazi symbols.

sarisataka

(22,777 posts)
62. We are talking about the claimed historian
Mon May 4, 2026, 11:13 AM
2 hrs ago

In this subthread, not the candidate, aren't we.

I have voice my opinion about his alleged ignorance previously. Since he is now the presumptive candidate I will not repeat here.

sarisataka

(22,777 posts)
49. I would have to say that historian
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:56 AM
Yesterday

Is not an expert on Nazi Germany.

If they were even an amateur historian they would know the Totenkopf was worn on SS caps, the symbol of the 3rd SS Pz Division and most infamously by the SS-Totenkopfverbände [SS- Death's Head Battalions], the units that ran the concentration camps.

So not just another stupid skull and crossbones to someone familiar with history.

Response to ShazzieB (Original post)

LetMyPeopleVote

(181,311 posts)
52. As a Jew, the tattoo really pesters me
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:36 PM
22 hrs ago

I have seen a great deal on this. This is just one example that Collins would use against Platner in a general election campaign.





I have seen some other oppo that pesters me

Iggo

(50,019 posts)
54. Me, too. But Dems in Maine should absolutely vote for him.
Sun May 3, 2026, 07:27 PM
18 hrs ago

But they need to stop trying to explain away the Nazi shit. Too many of us have been dealing with that for fifty, sixty, seventy years or more. There are no grown up accidental Nazis. In fact, “Yeah I fucked up. I should’ve got that covered up years ago…” would’ve been better than trying to play dumb about it.

But yes, definitely Vote for Platner.

And next time, pick a better candidate.

GReedDiamond

(5,555 posts)
61. Back around the late 80s to the early 90s, I knew a guy who called himself "Stardust" and was a "christian"...
Mon May 4, 2026, 03:43 AM
10 hrs ago

...he had a literal prison tattoo (he got it in prison) that was very badly rendered, and said "STAIRDUST" instead of STARDUST.

That amused me.



BannonsLiver

(20,778 posts)
65. Why?
Mon May 4, 2026, 12:48 PM
1 hr ago

Seems very silly and performative. I’m not going to pretend that I hate a Dem who I’m not terribly thrilled about as much as I hate Trumpy GOP subhuman vermin who have proven to be enemies of democracy.

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