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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI knew that tattoo of Platner's sounded familiar.
Not the specific tattoo, but the whole scenario of getting a tattoo that doesn't convey what you thought it would convey. And I was right; it's not just a tattoo, it's a whole trope.
A comedy trope, in which a character has what else? an embarrassing tattoo. It might be shoddily done, misspelled, or show the name of a former romantic partner. It might be written in a language the wearer doesn't understand (or even read) and thus not mean what they think it does. It might be part of a trend that has been Condemned by History. It might represent a gang or hate group, or otherwise not reflect the wearer's current beliefs or lifestyle. It might be a design or symbol from a culture to which the wearer has little or no relevant connection. It might be warped due to age, weight changes, pregnancy, or infection. It may have been the work of an amateur artist. It might be the location of the tattoo that is embarrassing (e.g.: on the buttocks or near the genitals). It might also be the result of teenage whim; even if the person was legally an adult at the time, what looks cool at 19 can easily become embarrassing by 30. Bonus points, or perhaps a Face Palm (depending on the perspective), if Alcohol-Induced Idiocy is a factor, regardless of whether it's the one doing or getting the tattoo.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EmbarrassingTattoo
In other words, he's far from the first person to ever get a tattoo that turned out to be a big mistake, and he definitely won't be the last. Democrats need to get over it already.
P.S. I don't expect everyone to agree, and that's okay. I just hope people will think about it. We have a real shot at flipping Susan Collins' seat from red to blue. Let's not blow it.
walkingman
(11,091 posts)magicarpet
(19,186 posts)Susan Collins would be happy to return as the senior senator representing Maine. She is often more concerned and freequently worried about legislation matters in Washington DC than Margaret Chase Smith was. But Susan Collins is always so reliable and ultimately votes 97.8% MAGA. And her squeaky little voice just grows on you.
I wonder if we should stick with her ?
magicarpet
(19,186 posts)Trump praises Collins as she holds MAGA hat at bill signing
Beacon Staff February 4, 2026
Any past divisions between Pres. Donald Trump and Maines senior senator werent in view on Tuesday as Sen. Susan Collins stood next to Trump at a bill signing, held a red hat emblazoned with the slogan America is Back and received his praise.
All right, youre doing good, Trump told Collins, as he lauded a series of lawmakers and signed a budget bill that he called a great victory for the American people.
Trump noted that the bill cuts funding for PBS and NPR, continues the closure of USAID, and cuts funding for tax evasion enforcement at the IRS.
The bill provides only temporary funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and sets up a potential showdown over their violent and lawless tactics over the next two weeks.
Trump also took the opportunity to oppose requiring ICE to obtain judicial warrants to search homes and to downplay controversy over the latest release of documents related to child rapist Jeffrey Epstein.
More at link below,...
https://mainebeacon.com/trump-praises-collins-as-she-holds-maga-hat-at-bill-signing/
modrepub
(4,164 posts)that's over 90% white, half of which despises it's most populous city, I don't think this will be much of a liability.
How gas prices and prices behave the next couple of months is going to be key. If it's half as bad as I expect, a lot of vulnerable incumbents in the Republican Party are going to be looking for jobs in the lobbying and consulting fields.
displacedvermoter
(4,888 posts)and that, I guess, is a good thing. Where does Joe Rogan live? If we could convince him to run for Congress, the Senate or for Governor as a Democrat, wherever that is, most of the nasty shit he has said over the years wouldn't be a liability, either.
Wouldn't necessarily be a great Democrat, or a sincere one, but he could likely draw MMA voters!
RandomNumbers
(19,248 posts)I would support his election.
Even though he's a piece of work.
displacedvermoter
(4,888 posts)jmbar2
(8,101 posts)That turned into a hump-back whale as we got older?
ret5hd
(22,547 posts)jmbar2
(8,101 posts)EX500rider
(12,685 posts)Skittles
(172,481 posts)WarGamer
(18,814 posts)And blamed women for rape?
sarisataka
(22,777 posts)which is destined to go unanswered.
I suppose we should get used to this if it is going to be 'when they go low, we go lower'.
Kingofalldems
(40,354 posts)FascismIsDeath
(229 posts)I was against Tulsi Gabbard when she was still an elected Democrat in the House. And I've been saying for many years that RFK was a weirdo, back when he was still a long time registered Democrat who had fans among the party base.
I get similar vibes from Platner. Maybe my instincts are wrong this time but I'm glad I don't live in Maine because it would be very difficult to vote for him. Naturally, I still hope we win that seat because it will be better than Collins.
Cha
(320,161 posts)and RFK Jr.
Gabbard was my rep, and I started voting against her in the primaries in 2014. She turned out to be a nazi.
I never paid attention to the nazi bobby until he started running for President. Gawd!
And, I was for Coonor Lamb.
FascismIsDeath
(229 posts)So I figured out he was a weird nut job back then. Though he was a little more guarded about it.
Tulsi set off red flags for me with some thinly veiled Islamophobic and homophobic stuff early on and then she associated with Modi and Assad. its been so long I don't remember exactly all the things that tipped me off. But she also just has a vacant look in her eyes. I just always knew something was off about her.
Cha
(320,161 posts)Du. She had some fans standing up for her.
WarGamer
(18,814 posts)BannonsLiver
(20,778 posts)Speaking of the GOP, what kind of tea are you hearing on the ground re: other gop voters and Platner?
Bluetus
(3,018 posts)We might be able to accept he didn't know it was a popular Nazi symbol. I never saw that symbol before this ordeal, so I can believe he just thought it looked cool.
We might even be able to accept a redemption story that, as a young man, he explored other philosophies, including Nazi thinking, and has rejected that as he matured.
What is hard to accept is that, once confronted with the Nazi connection, he didn't simply repudiate that and pay $1000 to get the tattoo removed. That indicates bad judgment. And the fact that he still hasn't dealt with this amplifies that concern.
Mossfern
(4,747 posts)and whether or not he gets the tattoo removed is a personal choice. The only reason that people understand that it may be a Nazi themed tattoo is a minor detail of the overall work. Don't overlook the forest for the trees.
To be fair, I'll look it up again, but I do believe it was a small detail that if not expert in Nazi regalia would be totally unnoticed.
Removing it doesn't mean it never happened.
Iggo
(50,019 posts)Forehead, dead center.
Im not an expert. And neither are millions upon millions upon millions of other citizens of the world who know what Nazis look like.
Im supposed to believe hes an ex-mercenary, who wore the military insignia of the Nazi SS for almost twenty years without ever knowing it? Im never going to buy that story, and I will loudly oppose that notion every time its brought up.
So if you people dont want to keep hearing it from me and people like me, then quit bringing it up.
Mossfern
(4,747 posts)Maybe I'm thinking of a different image than you are.
Iggo
(50,019 posts)Im out of here before I say something stupid.
VOTE FOR PLATNER.
WarGamer
(18,814 posts)
Iggo
(50,019 posts)sarisataka
(22,777 posts)
Mossfern
(4,747 posts)I guess I'm naive,
I wonder how many people, before this controversy started, knew the difference.
I just assumed the artist was being creative.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,488 posts)I guess Im not an expert on nazi imagery or uniforms.
Because I would call that a skull and crossbones.
Ive heard the term deaths head regiment and always thought the hats a skull (no bones).
I wonder if Jerry was a nazi. Lately, right wingers have been claiming Jerry would have been a Republican

eShirl
(20,368 posts)Bluetus
(3,018 posts)I believe he just got it altered to look less like the Nazi artwork.
You might say, "What's the difference?" And to some people maybe one is as good as the other. To me, I think just about everyone who gets tattoos knows that we have technology to remove them. It may be more expensive than the original tattoo, but were talking something like $500 for one treatment to $2000 for several treatments. It seems really obvious to me that removal would have been the best solution. That would fit the story:
This option is STILL open to him, as the default candidate. It is troubling to me that he does not address it. It would be so simple.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,488 posts)Bluetus
(3,018 posts)However, I saw one reference: "He stated he was 'horrified' to learn of the connection (with the Nazi symbology), moved to have the tattoo covered immediately, and planned to have it removed."
It isn't clear to me that he followed through on that last bit.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,307 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,412 posts)off base to visit tattoo parlors, topless bars, and pawn shops.
Those businesses know their market, late teens to mid 20s, and disproportionately men.
Thanks for the thread ShazzieB
Iggo
(50,019 posts)Thats the math of it.
Hes selling the second option, which you say may, in fact, be the truth.
Lets say it is. That doesnt make me feel any better.
Kingofalldems
(40,354 posts)Therefore I support him all the way.
Interesting thread.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,488 posts)Nixie
(18,086 posts)close to 20 years ago, when we all knew what the attacks on Joy were really about. How does this work -- if you object to offensive comments or symbolism, you are conservative?
EdmondDantes_
(2,003 posts)Isn't excused because some might have criticized her for racist reasons. Nor can you honestly lump all criticism of her actual homophobic posts on her own website as due to racism.
Nixie
(18,086 posts)who slur others as conservatives because they are offended by commonly recognized offensive things.
flvegan
(66,447 posts)THAT is funny.
Enter stage left
(4,624 posts)Many of my fellow soldiers got tattoos, especially near Fort Benning, GA.
I couldn't swear to this, but knowing what was like when you were on leave, most of them WERE drunk or close to it when they got their tattoos.
You have to remember, these young men are 18 to 23 years old, and many of them had never used alcohol until they went on leave from a military base.
In other words, Platner's explanation could be and most likely is true!
Vote for Platner. He can't be worse than Collins.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,307 posts)Think about it. Assuming a young drunk military guy gets a tattoo that he doesn't understand. OK, I guess that happens. Surely in the intervening TWO DECADES he learns what it represents. Why wouldn't he have had it removed or covered up then? Why did he wait until it became an issue in his campaign?
Could it be because he actually agreed with the sentiment represented by that tattoo?
Nixie
(18,086 posts)wow, that is interesting. Obviously I haven't been reading the media articles about him, but this does change things if he just did it to run for office.
Nixie
(18,086 posts)who voted for Trump. He said he works on the water now. Combine all that with his military background, and it's highly doubtful he didn't know what the tattoo was when he got it and it suited him -- until it didn't.* But his macho persona doesn't seem to match a dumb guy going to get a tattoo. He knew what he was getting and it fit his image at the time. Having nazi tattoos probably didn't help him in business much as he aged, but I wouldn't buy any dumb drunk guy story of not knowing what he was putting on his body.
*just seeing that Platner only covered up his tattoo because of his current campaign.
LAS14
(15,535 posts)...from a few days ago by a historian whose field includes Nazi Germany. He said he wouldn't have recognized it as a Nazi symbol. I, for sure, didn't. Looks like another stupid skull and crossbones to me.
Nixie
(18,086 posts)but he's a lifelong war history buff. He can identify all the planes in the old films, all the uniforms. They are symbolic.
But I don't take it that people are judging the tattoo itself, only the implications of the mindset of what that might imply about the person who chooses that and what that means about his real political affiliations since he's new to the scene and voted for a Republican before. Those are fair questions.
WarGamer
(18,814 posts)questionseverything
(11,918 posts)sarisataka
(22,777 posts)"a historian whose field includes Nazi Germany" to have at least a passing familiarity with Nazi symbols.
WarGamer
(18,814 posts)questionseverything
(11,918 posts)sarisataka
(22,777 posts)In this subthread, not the candidate, aren't we.
I have voice my opinion about his alleged ignorance previously. Since he is now the presumptive candidate I will not repeat here.
sarisataka
(22,777 posts)Is not an expert on Nazi Germany.
If they were even an amateur historian they would know the Totenkopf was worn on SS caps, the symbol of the 3rd SS Pz Division and most infamously by the SS-Totenkopfverbände [SS- Death's Head Battalions], the units that ran the concentration camps.
So not just another stupid skull and crossbones to someone familiar with history.
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LAS14
(15,535 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(181,311 posts)I have seen a great deal on this. This is just one example that Collins would use against Platner in a general election campaign.
Link to tweet

I have seen some other oppo that pesters me
50 Shades Of Blue
(11,492 posts)Iggo
(50,019 posts)But they need to stop trying to explain away the Nazi shit. Too many of us have been dealing with that for fifty, sixty, seventy years or more. There are no grown up accidental Nazis. In fact, Yeah I fucked up. I shouldve got that covered up years ago
wouldve been better than trying to play dumb about it.
But yes, definitely Vote for Platner.
And next time, pick a better candidate.
GReedDiamond
(5,555 posts)...he had a literal prison tattoo (he got it in prison) that was very badly rendered, and said "STAIRDUST" instead of STARDUST.
That amused me.
RoseTrellis
(191 posts)We all gave Kegsbreath a pass, too.
Lets be consistent here.
BannonsLiver
(20,778 posts)Seems very silly and performative. Im not going to pretend that I hate a Dem who Im not terribly thrilled about as much as I hate Trumpy GOP subhuman vermin who have proven to be enemies of democracy.