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pull people out of line on suspicion of being undocumented.
Kavanaugh said they only need a "reasonable suspicion" and that is determined by the officer making the decision.
Expect this in November in minority communities.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)There arent enough ICE agents to cover the hundreds of thousands of polling places across the nation.
They will just target strategic precincts with high non-white populations
Still wont matter.
When MTGs former district swings something like 27 points towards the Dems, and numerous 2024 Trump +20 districts have swung 15-30 points towards Dems in elections over the past year, there is no such thing as a strategic district.
Dems are projected to flip at least 20-30 seats, and some are saying it could be as high as 40-50 seats.
Dems only need to pick up 3 seats to retake control of the House.
California redistricting alone gives them five.
Nothing can stop the Blue Tsunami.
bluestarone
(22,343 posts)The toss up states. So i feel this WILL matter.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)Dems will flip far too many house seats for targeting toss up seats to matter.
It might affect the senate, but with states like IA, AK and TX in play, ICE simply doesnt have the manpower to be everywhere at once.
You must be assuming the states will twiddle their thumbs as ICE wreaks havoc at polling places?
Even with thousands of agents in Minneapolis, ICE couldnt subdue that city.
bluestarone
(22,343 posts)NOBODY is stopping them at the time they are doing them things. THEY have free rein to do whatever. It will be a total; mess!! That's how i see this.
Qutzupalotl
(15,843 posts)Their National Guard? Trump can federalize them. Police? Supremacy means feds trump local police. Lawyers? Maybe, but good luck with that. Guns are often more persuasive.
Mister Ed
(6,953 posts)Every crime matters, including those that don't affect me discernably or change the course of history.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)ICE wont affect the outcome of the midterms.
B.See
(8,634 posts)voter is made to feel threatened, intimidated, OR uncomfortable due to racist PROFILING and harassment from Trump's GESTAPO goons.
spooky3
(38,750 posts)MO and are attempting it in other states. Thats why the Virginia pushback mattered. If the court challenge is dismissed, the seat (district) changes are just about even for Repubs and Dems.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)Not when Dems are going to flip 30+ seats, and only need a net gain of 3.
spooky3
(38,750 posts)And that that was a net gain at the national level. It isnt. We are simply offsetting the attempted net gains that Repubs thought they would have based solely on redistricting.
Ilikepurple
(750 posts)They will just target strategic precincts with high non-white populations
Still wont matter. ???
What a strange response. It will matter to those that are not sure if they will be harassed or even detained for exercising their right to vote. There are already many citizens from targeted groups who have modified their behaviors out of fear of being detained by ICE because of their appearance. Of course it matters regardless if its ultimately investigated by a Democratic House. Not every right has an adequate legal remedy. This response seems relatively untroubled by both the disenfranchisement of voters by race and rather dismissive of the districts that will not be represented by their candidate of choice because of voter suppression. I agree if youre only worried about regaining the house, things look good for the Democratic Party, but disagree that potential ICE involvement in Novembers election isnt an issue that warrants discussion.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)This evil clown car of incompetent goat rodeo rejects is not going to stop the Blue Tsunami.
Never forget this one absolute truth:
Trump (and ICE) is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless.
edhopper
(37,427 posts)how close some races will be to give us this tsunami.
We need the Senate and those races will be very close. A few districts will decide.
We have just been through elections where States were won or loss on a few thousand votes.
Are you sure it won't matter? I am not.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)I guess we will find out how hard they will try, and how hard the states and the people will push back.
Ilikepurple
(750 posts)How many or whether it will prevent the Democratic Party from taking back the majority are the sorts of questions that might be discussed in a forum like this. I agree that having a majority and the powers that come with it are vitally important and look very promising. Although, to me controlling the house is a fundamental but not singular goal. I havent said or implied Trump or ICR is omnipotent nor have I said the people or states are without power. Im not sure the bolder oft repeated aphorism is much use to me or others that want to discuss possible voter suppression in this case. We do have power, but so does the GOP. Any discussions as how we can minimize its effects leading up to the election is welcomed by me.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,542 posts)Benoaning a fait accompli is not
Wounded Bear
(64,462 posts)Can't intimidate people who don't have to stand in line and vote in public.