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In It to Win It

(12,673 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2026, 09:42 PM Thursday

It's Not Both Sides. It Never Was. - Jamelle Bouie




Around 2012, two veteran Washington analysts — Thomas Mann of Brookings and Norman Ornstein of AEI — published a book arguing that American political dysfunction wasn't a "both sides" problem.

They argued that the Republican Party, had veered hard to the right, abandoned norms of fair play, and embraced a winner-take-all politics aimed at delegitimizing the opposition. Washington largely ignored them. More than a decade later, their diagnosis looks not just correct but understated.

Democrats have moved left on economics and culture — that's real — but they remain committed to elections, democratic norms, and governing for the whole country. The Republican Party, meanwhile, has gone completely off the rails, exemplified by the rise of Donald Trump.

To frame the core problems in American politics as a question of "both sides" is a failure of basic observation. One party is trying to preserve American democracy. The other isn't.
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It's Not Both Sides. It Never Was. - Jamelle Bouie (Original Post) In It to Win It Thursday OP
Thank you Jamelle. Sometimes I get so sick of the bothsidesism. yellow dahlia Thursday #1
Nancy Pelosi was asked when decorum went to sh!t in Washington, DC OMGWTF Thursday #2
Exactly. love_katz Thursday #3
The both sides crowd The Wizard Thursday #4
Wow, he's Good! Jamelle Bouie! That was so Cha Yesterday #5
Yes, he is, Cha. I used to read Jamelle's pieces often, when B.See 21 hrs ago #7
Mahalo, B.See... I'll check it out tomorrow. Cha 21 hrs ago #8
Leopards await. BurnDoubt Yesterday #6
Only the Republican Party has become radical and extreme. Democrats progress steadily. NO BOTH SIDES. betsuni 19 hrs ago #9
Absolutely Spot-On! Martin Eden 16 hrs ago #10

yellow dahlia

(6,213 posts)
1. Thank you Jamelle. Sometimes I get so sick of the bothsidesism.
Thu Apr 23, 2026, 09:49 PM
Thursday

It is simple. You are either for Democracy, or you're not. You're either for the Rule of Law, or you're not. You're either for free and fair elections, or you're not. You're either defending the Constitution, or you're not.

OMGWTF

(5,183 posts)
2. Nancy Pelosi was asked when decorum went to sh!t in Washington, DC
Thu Apr 23, 2026, 09:51 PM
Thursday

and she replied, "When Gnewt Gingrich showed up." Rethuglicans are just that THUGS!

love_katz

(3,269 posts)
3. Exactly.
Thu Apr 23, 2026, 10:33 PM
Thursday

Both sides Don't!
The Dems don't try to take away the rights of women and IPOC. They don't try to take away our right to vote or say (openly) that we should have no right to vote. Dems don't vote to rip food out of the mouths of the poor, nor take away our medical care. Dems don't propose measures to sell of public land to rich oligarch land papers. Etc, ad nauseum.
It's the stupid sell-out corporate owned McGreedia that insists on both sides.

The Wizard

(13,808 posts)
4. The both sides crowd
Thu Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM
Thursday

can never provide peer reviewed empirical data to support their assertions.

Cha

(319,791 posts)
5. Wow, he's Good! Jamelle Bouie! That was so
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 12:22 AM
Yesterday

dead on Interesting.. TY in it to win it!

Bookmarked... Anyone who says Both sides is braindead".



B.See

(8,634 posts)
7. Yes, he is, Cha. I used to read Jamelle's pieces often, when
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 02:51 AM
21 hrs ago

he was a writer for Slate.com. It was one of my go-to references, bookmarked and everything, but sometime back the site seemed to make a change to less politics and more coverage of cultural, entertainment, other news. Haven't referenced the site in quite some time. But Jamelle's work was always spot on.

Jamelle Bouie - Wikipedia

betsuni

(29,177 posts)
9. Only the Republican Party has become radical and extreme. Democrats progress steadily. NO BOTH SIDES.
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 05:23 AM
19 hrs ago

"As conservative plutocrats gained greater power, what had been a relatively mainstream conservative party came to embrace positions far to the right of both its historical stances and the positions of conservative parties abroad. Nowhere is this clearer than in economic policy. Political scientists have developed rigorous measures of the ideological position of elected officials based on roll-call votes in Congress. According to these indicators, the cleavage between the parties centers on economic issues, such as tax policy, regulation, and the size of government. These indicators show that Republicans became sharply more conservative in the 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s. Over this same period, no comparable leftward movement can be seen among Democrats.

"Polarization, in other words, has become 'asymmetric.' According to one widely used measure ... about one in five congressional Republicans and a similar share of congressional Democrats were 'ideologically extreme' according to their left-right voting patterns in 1990. By 2000, three in five of Republican members of Congress, were, with no change in the Democratic share. A decade on, more than four in five Republicans in Congress were -- again, without any parallel movement among Democrats in Congress."

Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson, "Let Them Eat Tweets"

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