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IronLionZion

(51,151 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 05:57 PM Saturday

Why Trump Didn't Plan for the Strait of Hormuz

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/hormuz-strait-iran-oil/686365/

Archive: https://archive.ph/hzsLp

Astonishingly, President Trump and his aides were caught unprepared when Iran, under air assault from the United States and Israel, retaliated by targeting shipping in the Persian Gulf region and specifically through the Strait of Hormuz. Military planners have pointed out for decades that the waterway—through which one-fifth of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas passes—is highly vulnerable to Iranian assault. But the Trump administration acknowledged in classified briefings, CNN reported last night, that it did not make provisions for a closure because officials assumed that such a move would hurt Iran more than the United States.

In its failure to anticipate Iran’s reaction, the administration ignored a dynamic that former Defense Secretary James Mattis, a first-term Trump appointee, was fond of pointing out: Once hostilities begin, “the enemy gets a vote.” U.S. leaders have drastically underestimated the Iranian regime’s ability to survive, adjust, and strike back. Just two weeks into a war that began at a time of the president’s choosing, the U.S. appears uncertain about what to do next.

The campaign that Trump launched in conjunction with Israel has so far depended on superior air power and detailed intelligence about which targets to hit. But Iran has multiple ways to imperil vessels in the Strait of Hormuz. The country is a major producer of cheap aerial drones—which Russia has used to deadly effect against Ukraine over the past four years. Iran also seems to be using sea drones and, according to some reports, may be laying mines in the strait. Many of the systems used to deploy such weaponry are small and easily transportable, so tracking them down is not easy. Doing so requires constant air patrols, and even with those, some Iranian equipment will slip through.

Deploying U.S. naval vessels to accompany ships from the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz could help protect the flow of oil and other vital raw materials, but it would also leave the escorting vessels themselves vulnerable. The Trump administration—for good reason—seems terrified of that option. “It’ll happen relatively soon, but it can’t happen now,” Energy Secretary Chris Wright told CNBC yesterday. “We’re simply not ready.” Some military experts have suggested that the only way the United States can reopen trade through the vital strait is to send ground forces into Iran—a step that, opinion polls suggest, would be highly unpopular with the American public.


MAGA is winning this war the same way they were winning the war on COVID in 2020, in their own delusional minds. Sick of winning yet? Dunning-Kruger effect. Bigly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
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Why Trump Didn't Plan for the Strait of Hormuz (Original Post) IronLionZion Saturday OP
In war, incompetent military leaders are sacked. Squaredeal Saturday #1
Plan? UpInArms Saturday #2
Maps are for losers IronLionZion Saturday #4
But you're failing to account for his marker EdmondDantes_ Saturday #30
;-{) WAR PREPPING Goonch Saturday #3
Very strange cartoon jmowreader Saturday #16
But the guy wearing a long red tie is bald. wnylib Saturday #22
We know that jmowreader Saturday #28
It was stupid to open such a can of worms bucolic_frolic Saturday #5
None of them dreamed that Iran would fight back. tanyev Saturday #6
That's What Japan Thought In 1941 ProfessorGAC Saturday #8
The arrogance of bullies. They attack weaker people (or countries) wnylib Saturday #23
trump is transactional so never thinks ahead ......EVER vapor2 Saturday #14
They fired too many people who know how to do the job correctly IronLionZion Saturday #7
Our military and government are under the control of complete fools Mysterian Saturday #9
They're all unqualified idiots. It was never a matter of if but when. And when is now. paleotn Saturday #10
The Trumpists also underestimated the intensity of Iran's animosity toward the US Another Jackalope Saturday #11
Factor in NetinYahoo and you have a collection of stooges. NoMoreRepugs Saturday #12
I have a huge issue with this article jmowreader Saturday #13
Trump thinking three moves ahead? Another Jackalope Saturday #15
I give the man no credit whatsoever jmowreader Saturday #18
The person who planned for the closure of the Strait was Putin Another Jackalope Saturday #21
I certainly don't disagree with you. BurnDoubt Saturday #19
One good point is that this actually hurts Europe even more than the US fujiyamasan Yesterday #34
I agree his orders come from Moscow but I also believe he is clueless, ignorant, and way too stupid for the job IronLionZion Saturday #26
Jeez! Has anyone over there ever heard the phrase slightlv Saturday #17
"Only the Best People" BurnDoubt Saturday #20
The regime has nothing to lose so they inflict as much pain and punishment on their enemies as they can IronLionZion Saturday #27
Arrogance? moondust Saturday #24
I'll take "because he is stoopid" for $ 200 (billion dollars). twodogsbarking Saturday #25
Mathis didn't kiss Trump's stinky ass Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Saturday #29
If one thinks that Putin controls *rump, then they did plan for the Strait of Hormuz. Uncle Joe Saturday #31
MAGA will blame The Iran Excursion on democrats Johonny Saturday #32
How does escorting ships help BWdem4life Yesterday #33
"it would also leave the escorting vessels themselves vulnerable" IronLionZion Yesterday #35
Where is Israel? Ruby the Liberal 21 hrs ago #36
Some of our allies might rethink their support for the US IronLionZion 20 hrs ago #38
It was on the map, but got rid of it with a magic marker. milestogo 21 hrs ago #37

Squaredeal

(720 posts)
1. In war, incompetent military leaders are sacked.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:03 PM
Saturday

Time to replace our current Commander-in-Chief before he loses the war.

EdmondDantes_

(1,704 posts)
30. But you're failing to account for his marker
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 09:23 PM
Saturday

Just like with the hurricane, he magically redrew Iran's borders. Unfortunately nobody bothered to alert the Iranians.

jmowreader

(53,127 posts)
16. Very strange cartoon
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:10 PM
Saturday

There are 23 recognizable-as-what-they-are Diet Coke logos, but he removed the word "Heinz" - leaving the Keystone logo and Heinz' unique bottle shape - from the ketchup bottles.

Given that, it is pretty funny.

bucolic_frolic

(54,889 posts)
5. It was stupid to open such a can of worms
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:08 PM
Saturday

Superpower vs. drones is not playing well in Ukraine either

ProfessorGAC

(76,553 posts)
8. That's What Japan Thought In 1941
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:36 PM
Saturday

Since these "advisors" are American, you'd think they'd know that Japan's calculation was wrong and that an unprovoked attack is likely to create a determined resolve.
But, no. Nobody in there who can think beyond the next Truth Social brag.

wnylib

(25,772 posts)
23. The arrogance of bullies. They attack weaker people (or countries)
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:41 PM
Saturday

and win so they feel invincible and keep going until someone fights back hard enough to surprise them out of their arrogant assumptions of omnipotence.

If the situation were not so seriously dangerous for the world and the US, I would enjoy seeing the bully get his comeuppance.

IronLionZion

(51,151 posts)
7. They fired too many people who know how to do the job correctly
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:32 PM
Saturday

anyone who disagrees with MAGA gets fired. Hiring/promoting only loyalists gets these types of problems.

Mysterian

(6,390 posts)
9. Our military and government are under the control of complete fools
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:38 PM
Saturday

The Iran debacle and the harm to our country will be severe.

Another Jackalope

(190 posts)
11. The Trumpists also underestimated the intensity of Iran's animosity toward the US
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:44 PM
Saturday

The depth of that intensity changed Iran's calculus of the acceptable cost for continuing to strike.
That willful blindness was a catastrophic failure.

jmowreader

(53,127 posts)
13. I have a huge issue with this article
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:02 PM
Saturday

It assumes Trump is just clueless, ignorant, or whatever other term you want to use to describe someone who's so stupid he couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.

No sir. Trump's handlers knew EXACTLY what would happen when he did this: the Iranians would close the mouth of the Persian Gulf, and the only way Trump could "rescue" Americans from having unleaded regular cost more than avgas is to allow Russian oil to be sold in the United States.

This is what I think happened.

1. Russia is allies with Iran, but Russian dictator Vladimir Putin finally had enough of Iranian dictator Ali Khamenei's shit.
2. Putin would send his own people down there to throw Khamenei out of a 40th-floor window, but the Russian 13th "Alexander Bortnikov" Guards Defenestration Brigade is currently stuck in Ukraine.
3. Putin's solution is to give Donald Trump Khamenei's location and order him to kill Khamenei. Trump does as directed.
4. Iran issues a two-pronged response. First, they install a new dictator Trump and Putin will hate even worse than the one they murdered. Then they close the Strait of Hormuz, which has two effects: it starves the other Gulf States because they can neither import food nor export oil, and it sends the price of gasoline everywhere else through the roof.
5. Trump lifts sanctions against Russian oil, which does two things for him: it makes his controller in Moscow very happy, and it allows him to erase something else President Biden did without looking like the evil fuck he is.

Another Jackalope

(190 posts)
15. Trump thinking three moves ahead?
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:08 PM
Saturday

I think you give the man too much credit. His actions are motivated by emotion, not thoughtful deliberation.

jmowreader

(53,127 posts)
18. I give the man no credit whatsoever
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:15 PM
Saturday

Trump is a marionette with high maintenance costs - fast food isn't cheap anymore. Other people decide what he's gonna do, and he always obeys. A couple days ago there was a post on this fine message board that said Trump fell asleep in the planning meeting for this attack.

Another Jackalope

(190 posts)
21. The person who planned for the closure of the Strait was Putin
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:30 PM
Saturday

He saw the chain of events very clearly, ordered the first domino to fall, and Trump bent the knee. Trump didn't think this one through, Vlad the Impaler did.

BurnDoubt

(1,650 posts)
19. I certainly don't disagree with you.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:26 PM
Saturday

This strikes a couple of items off his bucket list.
It gets the price of crude up for his investors.
It buys Putin some more time.
It threatens the arms commitments that are keeping Ukraine in the fight.
It totally disrupts the economies of all the countries that depend on trade through the Strait of Hormuz and further destabilizes the region as a whole.
It gives the Zealots encouragement that their Holy War is upon us and "The End Is Nigh”, fulfilling the Gospel of Prosperity.
This, and MORE all in time for the Mid-Terms.
Winning!!!!!!!!

fujiyamasan

(1,622 posts)
34. One good point is that this actually hurts Europe even more than the US
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:54 AM
Yesterday

Their economies are much more reliant on foreign oil and natural gas than the US.

IronLionZion

(51,151 posts)
26. I agree his orders come from Moscow but I also believe he is clueless, ignorant, and way too stupid for the job
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 08:28 PM
Saturday

slightlv

(7,767 posts)
17. Jeez! Has anyone over there ever heard the phrase
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:13 PM
Saturday

"cut off your nose to spite your face?" When you existentially threaten a sovereign country, how can you NOT think you might pay a price somehow... even if it does hurt the "enemy"... dumb sh*ts. No military experience from the top brass "fighting" this war, and not a war college credit among them. Give them BB guns.

administration acknowledged in classified briefings, CNN reported last night, that it did not make provisions for a closure because officials assumed that such a move would hurt Iran more than the United States.

IronLionZion

(51,151 posts)
27. The regime has nothing to lose so they inflict as much pain and punishment on their enemies as they can
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 08:36 PM
Saturday

MAGA loves to punish their enemies but they never thought others would do the same.

moondust

(21,278 posts)
24. Arrogance?
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:42 PM
Saturday

Venezuela operation apparently went well. His other attacks haven't had much blowback. Like magic! He just snaps his fingers and shazam! He may even have a God complex.

After the protests in Iran maybe Bibi called him one day and said this was finally their big chance to get rid of the regime and have the support of all those protestors. Maybe Lil Lindsey, Bolton, etc., advised him to go for it.


I have no idea how it ends but JCPOA knew it would require on-site inspections. Would Iran ever agree to that again?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,148 posts)
29. Mathis didn't kiss Trump's stinky ass
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 09:20 PM
Saturday

Trump swore not to make the same mistake this time around, so he hired Hegseth.

Uncle Joe

(64,983 posts)
31. If one thinks that Putin controls *rump, then they did plan for the Strait of Hormuz.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 09:26 PM
Saturday

They knew all along what would happen to oil or gas prices and this would help fund Putin's unprovoked war in Ukraine.

I would be surprised if Putin doesn't give *rump a medal of his own in between passing intelligence to the Iranians on Americans in the Gulf.

Thanks for the thread IronLionZion

Johonny

(26,062 posts)
32. MAGA will blame The Iran Excursion on democrats
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 10:57 PM
Saturday

Just like they blame the covid shutdown on them. Somehow not being in power, they still live in the minds of MAGA.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,641 posts)
36. Where is Israel?
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 10:49 AM
21 hrs ago

Our war crime partner has been planning this attack for 4 decades. They know this was going to happen, and they knew what would happen when it did.

Not a peep out of anyone (impacted countries, the media) about the co-conspirator not stepping up on this - primarily BEFORE the boy-king did it - but moreso now.

Why?

IronLionZion

(51,151 posts)
38. Some of our allies might rethink their support for the US
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:49 AM
20 hrs ago

since it damages their economies. The consequences can be much longer term than some may be thinking.

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