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Shipwack

(2,948 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:24 PM 1 hr ago

Gov Newsome triangulating again.

Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) thinks Democrats need to rein in some of their cultural politics if they want to win over more voters.

“I think there’s a broader narrative that we ought to address,” Newsom said Wednesday at The New York Times’ DealBook Summit. “We have to be more culturally normal. We have to be a little less judgmental.”

The California governor didn’t spell out what he meant by “culturally normal,” but he has recently been a critic of what he calls “woke culture.”


I guess he feels the need to move toward the “center” again to stay relevant…

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gavin-newsom-tells-democrats-culturally-normal_n_6931dfa1e4b0824b6df8a368
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Gov Newsome triangulating again. (Original Post) Shipwack 1 hr ago OP
WTF is "culturally normal?" leftstreet 1 hr ago #1
I think he's saying we need better messaging to get our values out..more on point Deuxcents 1 hr ago #2
Can't say at this point whether that's right or wrong AS FAR AS winning some states we need in 2028. I hate Silent Type 1 hr ago #3
He's swinging to the center way too soon Blasphemer 1 hr ago #4
Ok. What is culturally normal? Raven123 1 hr ago #5
First, please spell his name right. usonian 1 hr ago #6
I see his point Justice Brandeis 1 hr ago #7
Exactly the point. We don't have to shove people's noses Bluetus 42 min ago #8
Most of those things aren't even popular among Democrats gulliver 6 min ago #11
N E W S O M Skittles 39 min ago #9
*WE* have to be less judgmental??? Skittles 38 min ago #10

Silent Type

(12,257 posts)
3. Can't say at this point whether that's right or wrong AS FAR AS winning some states we need in 2028. I hate
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:49 PM
1 hr ago

we are in the position that some candidates— not just Newsom — believe the same thing. It’s sad, but plenty of election postmortems said the same.

There are places like NYC who will laugh at his “woke” awakening, but other places where it might make a 5% difference over next few years.

Blasphemer

(3,557 posts)
4. He's swinging to the center way too soon
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:53 PM
1 hr ago

IF we have elections in 2028, the GOP will be in tatars. It will be like 2008 (if not worse) for them. I'd hold off on making presumptions about what messaging will work 3 years from now. I suspect Dems will have great leeway in the kind of platform that can be successful.

usonian

(22,859 posts)
6. First, please spell his name right.
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:02 PM
1 hr ago

Second, I have been watching the wildly successful anti-oligarchy tour by Bernie and AOC.

It's not the cyclical economy, it's the concentration of over 90% of wealth in America by a few people.

And that's on the marquee.

At each rally issues of rights always come up and are well-received, even in red states.

The GOP is very much into what-about-ism, distracting from the (pardon the expression) elephant in the room. Oligarchical ownership of this country, its business and politicians. Like so.



EYES OFF THE PRIZE.

EYES OFF EPSTEIN.

So, I would say that he is urging the party to lead with the one biggest issue, that causes economic hardship, and which gets the oligarchs to manage the discussion away from it by making elections all about IMPORTANT social and rights issues, but using them as triggers for rage, their political operating system.

When you play back a Bernie-AOC rally, you get the impression that they are attacking the prime cause as job one, and are still extremely strong on social and rights issues.

The point is to win, and then good things come with winning.
You can't change their nuked "hearts and minds" but you can win and pass legislation for the betterment of society.
At that point. "It's the law"

In an early post, I quoted Ibram X. Kendi.

https://democraticunderground.com/100216524810

This is from the epilogue of "Stamped From the Beginning", by Ibram X Kendi.

Protesting against racist power and succeeding can never be mistaken for seizing power. Any effective solution to eradicating American racism must involve Americans committed to antiracist policies seizing and maintaining power over institutions, neighborhoods, counties, states, nations—the world. It makes no sense to sit back and put the future in the hands of people committed to racist policies, or people who regularly sail with the wind of self-interest, toward racism today, toward antiracism tomorrow. An antiracist America can only be guaranteed if principled antiracists are in power, and then antiracist policies become the law of the land, and then antiracist ideas become the common sense of the people, and then the antiracist common sense of the people holds those antiracist leaders and policies accountable.

And that day is sure to come. No power lasts forever. There will come a time when Americans will realize that the only thing wrong with Black people is that they think something is wrong with Black people. There will come a time when racist ideas will no longer obstruct us from seeing the complete and utter abnormality of racial disparities. There will come a time when we will love humanity, when we will gain the courage to fight for an equitable society for our beloved humanity, knowing , intelligently, that when we fight for humanity, we are fighting for ourselves. There will come a time. Maybe, just maybe, that time is now.


Lead with your strength, pound it in mercilessly, and good will come when you win.

Social betterment is the end, if not the means, in a corrosive environment.

Eyes on that prize. But you gotta win first. Got to get a little dirty to beat fascism and bigotry?
You bet.

EAT THE RICH
Watch "Specialty of the House" by Alfred Hitchcock Presents.
Spoiler article
https://thecannibalguy.com/2023/03/26/speciality-of-the-house/

Video here until taken down.
https://ok.ru/video/6896593865414

I tried NBC but nothing came up.
https://www.nbc.com/alfred-hitchcock-presents/video/the-specialty-of-the-house/9000245744

Justice Brandeis

(404 posts)
7. I see his point
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:15 PM
1 hr ago

Many voters who would be willing to vote Democratic don't much care for pronouns, land acknowledgements and having to say "pregnant people".

It just doesn't play well with a lot of voters and it's not worth losing elections over.

Bluetus

(2,064 posts)
8. Exactly the point. We don't have to shove people's noses
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 11:34 PM
42 min ago

in our cultural issues. A lot of Americans would be willing to go along with "live and let live". We do more harm than good when we demand that people embrace our favorite cultural causes, repeating our mantra on a word-by-word basis.

We need to learn how to take "yes" for an answer. Or more accurately, to take "I can live with that" as a victory.

gulliver

(13,680 posts)
11. Most of those things aren't even popular among Democrats
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 12:10 AM
6 min ago

We really need to pay attention to Democratic voices. These things are not core issues. These so-called cultural issues distract us from our core mission as Democrats. Newsom is right.

People need health care. People need education and good nutrition. The climate needs to be addressed. These fringe issues need to get exactly the attention they deserve based on one person, one voice, one vote. Not "extra" attention based on a minority of extra loud types trying to portray themselves as sweetie pies. Attention equal to their democratically valid priority within the party.

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