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Celerity

(53,172 posts)
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 07:31 AM Wednesday

The AI Bubble Is Bigger Than You Think


It’s not just OpenAI that looks overhyped. There’s a whole mountain of sketchy financial engineering underneath.

https://prospect.org/2025/11/19/ai-bubble-bigger-than-you-think/


Source: Center for Public Enterprise

One thing I’ve been tracking this year is the areas where Wall Street and Silicon Valley are going to war. Tech firms clearly want to become banking apps and receive special charters, private equity and crypto are jostling for position in worker 401(k) plans, and the tech right in general wants to supplant big banks as the go-to director of conservative business policy. That’s all still going on. But in one area, Silicon Valley and Wall Street are in sync: conjuring up sketchy credit deals that are pointing us toward another financial crash.

Last month, the big focus was “round-tripping,” the way that sundry AI and tech companies were investing in their own customers—with Nvidia giving AI companies the investment necessary to buy their graphics processing units (GPUs), and so on. But there’s a lot more to this story, tangled up with yet another rebrand by the former masters of the universe, from “shadow banks” without proper regulation into something boring and neutral-sounding: private credit. Ever since the advent of financial regulation, there have been companies that have attempted to evade the rules with creative branding. Private credit companies are non-banks that are trying to rebrand into a name that doesn’t tell everyone they are unregulated lending vehicles.

The speculative financing of the artificial intelligence buildout is happening mostly in private credit, where assets under management hit $1.6 trillion in February and are likely higher today. The deals being made are perverse and irrational; there are huge mismatches between the life cycle of the assets being funded and the amount of time it will take to pay them off. Experts have been doing everything but picketing the stock exchange with signs that say “BUBBLE IN PROGRESS,” yet the country has so much sunk cost in the AI boom that the pathway feels inevitable. “We have sealed the deal on another financial crisis—the question is size,” said one former congressional staffer.

Related: The AI ouroboros

I will try to explain this as simply as I can. The build-out of computing power for AI needs about $2 trillion in annual revenue by the end of the decade to justify the current and planned investment. It’s an insane amount of money, nobody has it—nobody may ever have it—and so everything being constructed now, from the GPUs needed to train AI models to the data centers housing them to the energy supplying those data centers, needs some creative financing. Big Tech companies have large cash flows, but the trillions needed are too steep even for them. Venture capital isn’t that interested in funding infrastructure either; while the God in the machine that may result from the AI build-out has potential for supercharged returns, data centers and power plants, by themselves, won’t get you there.

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Buns_of_Fire

(18,925 posts)
2. Can LLMs be convinced that their own destruction is the only logical option?
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 08:23 AM
Wednesday

Intercom: Captain Kirk, to the bridge...

Bluestocking

(416 posts)
3. History repeats itself
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 08:43 AM
Wednesday

The last Guilded Age ended with the Great Depression. The current one will end with Great Depression II.

hunter

(40,220 posts)
4. Following after Orrex's "Is he dead yet?" posts, I ask the same every morning about Nvidia.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 08:55 AM
Wednesday

That's an obituary I'd enjoy reading.

Celerity

(53,172 posts)
5. Nvidia earnings are just hours away -- and the stock market is bracing for a pivotal event
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 08:58 AM
Wednesday
https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/nvidia-earnings-stock-results-ai-guidance-market

Nvidia is due to report fiscal third-quarter earnings after Wednesday's closing bell. Investors will be looking to see if the company can stabilize the AI trade in the face of mounting concerns about rampant spending.

Last Updated: Nov. 19, 2025 at 8:25 AM EST

House of Roberts

(6,324 posts)
10. Nvidia reported a record $57 billion quarterly.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 04:48 PM
Wednesday

How is that going to affect your OP's concerns?

Celerity

(53,172 posts)
11. There just isn't enough expected cash flow to pay off the trillions needed for data centres and energy demands under the
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 05:01 PM
Wednesday

current revenue models.

It's a multi-trillion dollar game of musical chairs.



House of Roberts

(6,324 posts)
12. So even at record revenue levels,
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 05:30 PM
Wednesday

the model isn't sustainable. It's more like a multi-trillion dollar game of 'hot potato' even. Just be the one who's out at the right time and you won't be holding the hot potato, getting burned.

I don't see how they're going to generate enough electricity to run all this high consuming equipment.

Celerity

(53,172 posts)
13. next gen nuclear is the main way they can attempt to meet the energy demands, but that will take ages to bring online
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 05:43 PM
Wednesday

SWBTATTReg

(25,882 posts)
6. People's greed is what's driving this. Everyone is always looking for where they can scoop up the next billion dollars
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:52 PM
Wednesday

into their own pockets, like Musk, and others when they IPO'ed their firms/companies.

canetoad

(19,876 posts)
9. It's obscene, Cel
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 04:31 PM
Wednesday

The amount of energy that's needed to support bitcoin mining and AI just cannot be justified by these figures. Much like Musk's trillion dollar pay packet.

The revolution will come and it will be bloody - if enough people can look up from their phones.

D_Master81

(2,311 posts)
14. 20 trillion?
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 05:47 PM
Wednesday

So their market cap is going to be more than HALF the GDP of the entire country? Make it make sense

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