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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf the Epstein files come out heavily redacted, it could actually hurt Trump more, not protect him.
At this point the public is in a full-blown something is going on mode, and dropping a document full of black boxes is only going to pour gasoline on that fire. It creates the impression that something big is being hidden. And when institutions look like theyre hiding something, people dont calm down, they get louder.
A redacted release would immediately raise new questions: What was removed? Why? Who ordered it? That kind of vacuum invites leaks, whistleblowers, and anonymous insiders whove already seen the unredacted files. Judges, staffers, lawyers, and investigators who know whats missing would almost certainly face pressure to speak publicly and some of them will. Once that starts, you cant put it back in the bottle.
The timing matters too. Were in a moment where both the public and the media are already circling this story like sharks smelling blood. A halfway release wont satisfy anyone. Instead of ending the controversy, it prolongs it, keeps the focus on Trump, and guarantees weeks maybe months of follow-up stories. Every new leak becomes its own news cycle.
And if the files are redacted in a way that seems designed to protect Trump, thats even worse. It feeds the exact narrative his critics already believe: that hes using government power to shield himself. Whether thats true or not, the perception alone is politically damaging.
msongs
(72,859 posts)gordianot
(15,718 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,251 posts)Bondi already admitted it months ago. However, most damning photographic can be withheld or redacted.
(1) The Attorney general may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that
(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(B) depict or contain child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 22522252A;
(D) depict or contain images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person
NJCher
(42,017 posts)These guys are too smart to photograph themselves in a compromising position.
malaise
(291,275 posts)Good
malaise
(291,275 posts)Dems need to continue to follow the money and continue asking questions re who killed Epstein. Demand every detail of the so called suicide.
yellow dahlia
(4,037 posts)Deutsche bank and JP Morgan Chase.
Follow the money.
malaise
(291,275 posts)Lawrence - Republicans abandon and humiliate Trump.
Now hes tearing Johnson to bits- doubly humiliated
Thune apparently told Slobby that the vote against him was going to pass.
I love Lawrence.
yellow dahlia
(4,037 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,251 posts)Epstein survivors secure a $290 million settlement with JPMorgan Chase
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/business/deutsche-bank-settlement-epstein-accusers
US judge approves Deutsche Bank $75 million settlement with Epstein accusers
Ocelot II
(128,352 posts)MichMan
(16,318 posts)I wonder who did that?
Wiz Imp
(8,251 posts)from the estate. As far as I know, the only redactions were names of victims. And that release didn't have a ton of references to specific victims.
Emrys
(8,759 posts)Jarqui
(10,785 posts)They've scrubbed it thoroughly
xuplate
(152 posts)Just assume every redacted name is Trump.
Wiz Imp
(8,251 posts)It will only make it worse. And there are surely whistleblowers ready to tell the truth of what they know. And some of the victims this morning made clear they are ready to name names before Congress.
QED
(3,216 posts)I read on bluesky about the numbering system used - it's rock solid and "impossible" to fudge. It's called Bates numbering or Bates stamping.
What I like about the Bates numbering is that it allows you to go and check the veracity of the document image yourself at the oversight committee website: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mo...
— Bear Wilner-Nugent (@saltlick.bsky.social) 2025-11-13T06:03:36.376Z
Javaman
(64,937 posts)I bet they cooked the books
Created, edited, removed and reassembled the whole thing so as no repuke appears in the let alone the orange asshole
Of course they are inept and this will be spotted a mile away, but that draws the Dems into a new argument, thus distracting from the files themselves
Diraven
(1,747 posts)Everything is digitized now, so they can remove everything that implicates Trump or Republicans with surgical precision. They'll just omit entire files so no one can speculate whether they should have been included or not, or even if they exist. Then they'll try to argue that this is totally not suspicious at all.
Javaman
(64,937 posts)Botany
(75,907 posts) The Digital Janitor: also known as forensic sanitization.
Johonny
(25,095 posts)Or basically meh references, people will assume they're holding stuff. I don't think he wins this. His best bet is to delay the release until 2028.
drray23
(8,515 posts)Trying to delay for as long as possible.
sheshe2
(94,922 posts)planj07
(56 posts)There is a real chance it could be the end of Trump. All depends on whether the GOP calculates that it is better to turn on him and vote to impeach or play along with his lies.
We know that if they failed to cook the books Trump is going to play up the big lie angle again. Just like the election, its a Democrat conspiracy. It worked for him before, hed definitely try again.
H2O Man
(78,301 posts)Those of us old enough to remember when Nixon released transcripts of the White House tapes agree!
Recommended.
MiHale
(12,364 posts)But remember the truth always comes out in the wash.
Timewas
(2,580 posts)I am not sure but I think I heard that they were releasing the "unclassified" files, so what about the classified files, most likely the ones released will be so tame as to not amount to anything real...