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In It to Win It

(12,032 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:25 PM 7 hrs ago

Trump's Justice Department may have accidentally handed Democrats five House seats - Ian Millhiser @ Vox

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In a decision that could potentially reshape the 2026 midterm elections and cement the Democratic Party’s future control of the US House, a federal court just struck down the gerrymandered Texas maps that President Donald Trump pressured that state to enact. If the decision holds, it could cost Republicans as many as five House seats.

And that’s not all. The most remarkable thing about the three-judge panel’s decision in League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) v. Abbott is that it turns on an incompetent decision by Trump’s own administration.

As Judge Jeffrey Brown, a Trump appointee, explains in the court’s opinion, Texas lawmakers initially “didn’t have much appetite to redistrict on purely partisan grounds” — even as Trump urged them to do so. But Texas Republicans appear to have changed their mind after the Justice Department sent a letter last July to Texas’s top officials, which demanded that the state redraw several districts to change their racial makeup.

That letter, as I’ll explain in more detail below, misread a federal appeals court opinion to mean that the state was required to remake its maps. According to Judge Brown’s opinion, “it’s challenging to unpack the DOJ Letter because it contains so many factual, legal, and typographical errors.” He added that “even attorneys employed by the Texas Attorney General — who professes to be a political ally of the Trump Administration — describe the DOJ Letter as ‘legally[] unsound,’ ‘baseless,’ ‘erroneous,’ ‘ham-fisted,’ and ‘a mess.’”

Oops! Trump’s Justice Department may have accidentally handed Democrats five House seats

www.vox.com/politics/469...

Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser.bsky.social) 2025-11-18T21:15:01.580Z
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Trump's Justice Department may have accidentally handed Democrats five House seats - Ian Millhiser @ Vox (Original Post) In It to Win It 7 hrs ago OP
Let's hope so Jbraybarten 7 hrs ago #1
Trump will raise hell with 'Pam' to find a way to overturn CA redistricting on same arguement Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #2
Oh, I'm sure SCOTUS will find a way to overturn this decision... regnaD kciN 7 hrs ago #4
Sadly, I fear that entirely possible Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #5
Hellooooooo Shadow Docket n/t BaronChocula 5 hrs ago #22
By my thinking, they don't need to find a way. bluestarone 5 hrs ago #13
100 percent. There's literally no such thing as settled law in our legal system. BannonsLiver 5 hrs ago #24
It's my understanding that the CA redistricting is strictly conditioned on that of TX. John Farmer 6 hrs ago #8
Nah, not now that the people of CA have spoken. They're going through with this. Thanks, Texas. ancianita 5 hrs ago #11
That's not what I'm reading. stopdiggin 5 hrs ago #14
The Texas ruling does not affect California Prop. 50 LetMyPeopleVote 5 hrs ago #19
What happens to California's Prop 50 maps if Texas redistricting efforts are blocked? LetMyPeopleVote 5 hrs ago #17
I guess Texas forgot... COL Mustard 4 hrs ago #28
Good malaise 7 hrs ago #3
Marc Elias coming up after commercials on Nicole malaise 7 hrs ago #6
Bless the Mark Elias Group! ancianita 5 hrs ago #12
This ruling is going to affect a number of Texas races LetMyPeopleVote 7 hrs ago #7
This means Jasmine Crockett can keep her district. ananda 6 hrs ago #9
Yep malaise 6 hrs ago #10
Well, no one ever said Donnie's DoJ was terribly bright. paleotn 5 hrs ago #15
It's really scary how many total dimwits can get law degrees. (or MBAs,, etc.) erronis 5 hrs ago #18
Just remember.... COL Mustard 4 hrs ago #31
But how many politicians graduate below the 50% line in any field. Then went into politics. erronis 4 hrs ago #32
As the old saying goes.... COL Mustard 4 hrs ago #33
The school kids must have called him "Brissy" when he was growing up. nt Exp 5 hrs ago #16
I hope California doesn't back down and they go forward with what they're gonna do until after the midterms oldmanlynn 5 hrs ago #20
That is what I was going to ask, will this mean California may back off? I think they should stay Bev54 4 hrs ago #27
Good, they got what they deserve for trying to rig things. ChicagoTeamster 5 hrs ago #21
The repukes think they are all so clever Javaman 5 hrs ago #23
The meritocracy of super geniuses has a truly spectacular track record IronLionZion 5 hrs ago #25
SCOTUS to the rescue. RandySF 5 hrs ago #26
Yeah, if there's one thing the SC 6 can be relied on for, it's bending rules for Trump muriel_volestrangler 4 hrs ago #30
Oopsie. TomSlick 4 hrs ago #29

Attilatheblond

(7,832 posts)
2. Trump will raise hell with 'Pam' to find a way to overturn CA redistricting on same arguement
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:41 PM
7 hrs ago

and that's why Newsom was so damned smart to put Prop 50 to the voters of California. California can blow a big raspberry to whiny baby in the oval office.

regnaD kciN

(27,366 posts)
4. Oh, I'm sure SCOTUS will find a way to overturn this decision...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:54 PM
7 hrs ago

…while, at the same time, blocking the Prop 50 redistricting.

bluestarone

(20,821 posts)
13. By my thinking, they don't need to find a way.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:19 PM
5 hrs ago

They can just do it with no reasons. That's who THIS court is.

BannonsLiver

(20,121 posts)
24. 100 percent. There's literally no such thing as settled law in our legal system.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:02 PM
5 hrs ago

Anything in the constitution is just one Heritage Foundation challenge away from being overturned.

ancianita

(42,626 posts)
11. Nah, not now that the people of CA have spoken. They're going through with this. Thanks, Texas.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:16 PM
5 hrs ago

stopdiggin

(14,734 posts)
14. That's not what I'm reading.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:25 PM
5 hrs ago
- snip - - "When Prop 50 was initially introduced, there was language in the measure that stated California would only move forward with its redistricting — also known as gerrymandering — efforts if Texas proceeded with its plans. That language was removed from the measure before it reached Newsom's desk for him to sign into law."

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-prop-50-whats-next-texas-ruling/69474344

LetMyPeopleVote

(172,822 posts)
19. The Texas ruling does not affect California Prop. 50
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:40 PM
5 hrs ago

The TX ruling would *not* invalidate CA's new districts. The amendment passed by Prop 50 mentions Texas, but there's no trigger provision. It's just an explanatory reference. ballotpedia.org/California_P...

The Downballot (@the-downballot.com) 2025-11-18T18:19:10.901Z

LetMyPeopleVote

(172,822 posts)
17. What happens to California's Prop 50 maps if Texas redistricting efforts are blocked?
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:39 PM
5 hrs ago

The appeal of the Texas redistricting case will NOT affect California's Prop 50

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-prop-50-whats-next-texas-ruling/69474344

Even after a panel of federal judges ruled on Tuesday that Texas cannot use new mid-census congressional maps intended to favor Republicans, California's counter-plan still stands barring any future court rulings.

Gov. Gavin Newsom and other Democratic leaders earlier this year announced Proposition 50 as a way to offset Texas' plans to try to send five more Republicans to Congress. The voter-approved measure redrew California's district maps to try to send five more Democrats to the Lower House.

When Prop 50 was initially introduced, there was language in the measure that stated California would only move forward with its redistricting — also known as gerrymandering — efforts if Texas proceeded with its plans. That language was removed from the measure before it reached Newsom's desk for him to sign into law.

malaise

(291,238 posts)
6. Marc Elias coming up after commercials on Nicole
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:59 PM
7 hrs ago

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LetMyPeopleVote

(172,822 posts)
7. This ruling is going to affect a number of Texas races
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:02 PM
7 hrs ago

Al Green is one of the plaintiffs in this case and was one of the main targets of this redistricting scam. I have known Al for 20 or so years and has work on voter protection efforts with Al. Al represents CD 9 but was redistricted so that much of his district is now in CD 18. Al is currently going to run in CD 18 which was Sylvester Turner's district. Abbott has been an asshole and has kept this seat open for 11 months. There will be a runoff on January 31 between two great young democrats, Christen Menefee and Amanda Edwards. The winner and loser of that runoff would then have to run against Al Green in the March primary.



Jasime Crockett was also targeted and there were rumors that she may run for Texas Senate. If this ruling stand, Jasime will not have to change offices.


In another race, Lloyd Doggett's and another younger democrat's district were in effect merged and Lloyd was going to retire. If this ruling stand, Lloyd does not have to retire


Finally, Al's old district was redrawn to be a very white district and an asshole name Briscoe Cain was going to run in that district. Cain is a real asshole and I would hate to see him in Congress. Here what Cain posted about this ruling


I am really hoping that this ruling stands

paleotn

(21,186 posts)
15. Well, no one ever said Donnie's DoJ was terribly bright.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:32 PM
5 hrs ago

How dumb they are boggles the mind.

COL Mustard

(7,816 posts)
31. Just remember....
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:28 PM
4 hrs ago

50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their med school class.

erronis

(22,000 posts)
32. But how many politicians graduate below the 50% line in any field. Then went into politics.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:36 PM
4 hrs ago

oldmanlynn

(755 posts)
20. I hope California doesn't back down and they go forward with what they're gonna do until after the midterms
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:42 PM
5 hrs ago

Then they can get back to whatever they had before, but I would not trust any of these Republicans because this could just be another trick

Bev54

(13,053 posts)
27. That is what I was going to ask, will this mean California may back off? I think they should stay
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:16 PM
4 hrs ago

on track because we don't know what other red states are going to do Trump's bidding.

Javaman

(64,931 posts)
23. The repukes think they are all so clever
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:57 PM
5 hrs ago

They surround themselves with like minded yes people and so therefore they think whatever they do is brilliant and perfect

When in reality it’s completely inept and stupid

muriel_volestrangler

(105,229 posts)
30. Yeah, if there's one thing the SC 6 can be relied on for, it's bending rules for Trump
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:27 PM
4 hrs ago

He never comes off worse; it's just a question of how much better they make things for him.

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