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Miles Archer

(20,913 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:50 AM 13 hrs ago

I KNOW this will SHOCK you, but...looks like Vance didn't learn one F*CKING THING from Mike Pence. Not ONE.

Trump 'shivved Vance in the back' — and the VP is now scrambling for allies: report

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-shivved-vance-in-the-back-in-maga-civl-war-analysis/

(Greg Sargent on The New Republic's Daily Blast podcast) says that as Vance has his eyes on taking the reins of MAGA in a post-Trump world and poll numbers point to the veep as the likely heir, it's not a lock, and the president may not be helping him secure that lock either.

"It occurs to me that Trump really, whether intentionally or not, shivved Vance in the back in a way here," Sargent says. "So Vance has an Indian American wife. He’s gonna want a free hand to do his anti-immigrant appeals while also presenting himself as non-bigoted."

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"Vance wants to get away with what you might call a soft or veiled white nationalism," he says, adding that "Fuentes actually mocks Vance and makes racist comments about his wife. He makes the white nationalism extremely explicit."

Sargent says he believes "Vance would have preferred it if Trump sidelined Fuentes, but Trump basically dumped Fuentes on Vance to have to deal with later."

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I KNOW this will SHOCK you, but...looks like Vance didn't learn one F*CKING THING from Mike Pence. Not ONE. (Original Post) Miles Archer 13 hrs ago OP
No one surpasses a narcissist C_U_L8R 13 hrs ago #1
Usurping is especially tricky. littlemissmartypants 8 hrs ago #12
JD Pisspants is a rape loving, pedophile, lowlife MAGA motherfucker. Piss on that fucking turd. SoFlaBro 13 hrs ago #2
Trump doesn't care about anything that doesn't affect him directly. Ocelot II 13 hrs ago #3
VD Jance is a wholly owned subsidiary of Peter Thiel. Dulcinea 13 hrs ago #4
He's also as completely 'tone deaf' to public wishes and just as willfully ignorant as Trump Attilatheblond 12 hrs ago #7
How pathetic does a human being have to be BOSSHOG 13 hrs ago #5
Hopefully the bust-up in the dumpster fire markodochartaigh 12 hrs ago #6
There are those that are dumb (Pence) and then there republianmushroom 12 hrs ago #8
Something I Don't Understand belpejic 12 hrs ago #9
It boggles the mind. TheBlackAdder 11 hrs ago #11
As with the Bourbons in restoration, they have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. tritsofme 11 hrs ago #10

SoFlaBro

(3,726 posts)
2. JD Pisspants is a rape loving, pedophile, lowlife MAGA motherfucker. Piss on that fucking turd.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:56 AM
13 hrs ago

Ocelot II

(128,341 posts)
3. Trump doesn't care about anything that doesn't affect him directly.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:59 AM
13 hrs ago

I think it's finally dawned on him that he won't be president for much longer - either he knows that even this SCOTUS won't ignore the Constitution and let him run for a third term, or, more likely, he is aware in some corner of his soggy brain that his health is deteriorating and he might not finish this term. He doesn't care about who succeeds him or the future of the GOP if it doesn't include him; at this point he cares only that there are plenty of monuments to him, which seems to be his current project.

If Trump croaks before the next election Vance will have plenty of competition for the GOP nomination. It will be like a bunch of scorpions in a bottle. Stock up on popcorn.

Dulcinea

(9,468 posts)
4. VD Jance is a wholly owned subsidiary of Peter Thiel.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:03 AM
13 hrs ago

Maybe he figures that's all he needs. But what kind of loser doesn't stand up for his wife?

Attilatheblond

(7,832 posts)
7. He's also as completely 'tone deaf' to public wishes and just as willfully ignorant as Trump
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:27 AM
12 hrs ago

Something I have noticed about these jerks: They refuse to learn anything that does not fit their views. Maybe they think not knowing everything is some sort of male weakness they can never admit.

So, not only willfully ignorant, but insufferably arrogant and insanely insecure. Those traits make them both entirely unsuited for public office.

BOSSHOG

(44,167 posts)
5. How pathetic does a human being have to be
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:04 AM
13 hrs ago

To have his eyes on TAKING THE REINS OF MAGA IN A POST TRUMP WORLD?

The king of ignorance, the leader of hate, the inspiration for racism. Todays Republican Party My Fellow Americans.

markodochartaigh

(4,654 posts)
6. Hopefully the bust-up in the dumpster fire
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:16 AM
12 hrs ago

will send sparks through Magaland that grow into fires.

belpejic

(760 posts)
9. Something I Don't Understand
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:03 PM
12 hrs ago

Is how a Mexican-American dude gets to be leader of a neo-Nazi movement. It's kind of like how an Afro-Cuban guy gets to be head of Proud Boys. Only in America, right?

On edit: A white, Christian, ethno-nationalist neo-Nazi movement...

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