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PCIntern

(27,818 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:11 AM 4 hrs ago

Hang on to your hats...

This may be the wildest ride internally since the Civil War. It transcends even the OJ Simpson case which had EVERYTHING: murder, sex, exquisite-looking people, police corruption, celebrity clients, attorneys, and witnesses, mystery, Los Angeles as a venue, and incredible crime scene technology, to name just a few. This has the potential to blow the lid off every aspect of American hierarchy in politics, academia, corporate, and millionaire/billionaire class, again, to name just a few.

This could change the landscape of the contemporary American Experience. Eventually, this will all be revealed.

I hope and pray.

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Hang on to your hats... (Original Post) PCIntern 4 hrs ago OP
what are you talking about? Shellback Squid 4 hrs ago #1
Nothing. Nothing at all... PCIntern 4 hrs ago #3
the murder is new to me unless you mean epsteins demise Shellback Squid 4 hrs ago #4
Ok PCIntern 4 hrs ago #7
No it wasn't Cirsium 7 min ago #50
Oh, no...I'm thinking a number of these young ladies might have been killed over the years if they tried to get away. PatrickforB 3 hrs ago #29
Epstein's own brother has maintained all along that Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide. MuirHero 1 hr ago #41
It's pretty common for family members to struggle to accept suicide EdmondDantes_ 49 min ago #45
If the various indications of Russian Intel involvement are remotely accurate quakerboy 39 min ago #48
K&R spanone 4 hrs ago #2
Sounds like 'must-seeTV' EYESORE 9001 4 hrs ago #5
Problem is, many of them evolves 3 hrs ago #24
Or at least their owners are. quakerboy 37 min ago #49
All of that plus the cover up will exceed that of Watergate. livetohike 4 hrs ago #6
After this popsdenver 2 hrs ago #35
Compared to this, Watergate is nothing but a cold fart. nt miyazaki 59 min ago #43
My blood pressure can't handle COL Mustard 44 min ago #47
I agree that would be the case but I don't think doc03 4 hrs ago #8
I'm saddened to think that you're probably correct. Gimpyknee 1 hr ago #40
The Simpson estate finally settled with Mr. Goldman for over $50 million dollars Ponietz 4 hrs ago #9
And in 30 years Generation Betas will say, "Trump who?" Wednesdays 3 hrs ago #27
One important difference. O.J. didn't have command of the armed forces or nukes. Fil1957 4 hrs ago #10
RE: OJ, you didn't mention the awesome car chase down the freeway. Intractable 4 hrs ago #11
A great moment in sports history PCIntern 4 hrs ago #14
June 17th....OJ chase was my birthday present... MiHale 2 hrs ago #32
I'd be happy to watch him evolves 3 hrs ago #25
Sounds like... jmbar2 4 hrs ago #12
I wish I shared your confidence, BlueKota 4 hrs ago #13
That would be the equivalent of Nixon's firing of Archibald Cox PCIntern 4 hrs ago #15
We hope. Wednesdays 3 hrs ago #28
Yeah, I'm worried that they're adulterating the evidence as fast as they can GopherGal 3 hrs ago #18
There is a huge risk to the criminal cabal if they alter the files. MuirHero 55 min ago #44
Almost everybody hates Pedophiles and some of the stuff KS Toronado 3 hrs ago #26
This is a big deal, but not EVERYONE we can think of is in the Epstein files ToxMarz 4 hrs ago #16
I'll see you and raise you one (scandal). TheRickles 3 hrs ago #17
And Putin's involvement. PCIntern 3 hrs ago #19
Yep. I wonder what the Vegas odds are on this all coming out. TheRickles 3 hrs ago #20
Eventually is too long to wait, the country needs it all to come out now. Bev54 3 hrs ago #21
Too long? See JFK files. johnnyfins 2 hrs ago #34
Yup, a Tsunami of crime, corruption, graft, exploitation and just plain ugliness is about to erupt. Joinfortmill 3 hrs ago #22
Yep, and it'll be overwhelming MSM on how to report on it KS Toronado 3 hrs ago #30
can you imagine dershowicz in the civil war rampartd 3 hrs ago #23
MTG went STRAIGHT AT cilla4progress 2 hrs ago #31
and more than that azureblue 2 hrs ago #33
You still assume this vote in the House will ultimately result in the release of the Epstein files YodaMom2 2 hrs ago #36
Unfortunately, I think Blondie will be Trump's savior and sit on the files because of an "ongoing investigation." Vinca 2 hrs ago #37
I'm longing for the day Blondie Bondi experiences her John Mitchell comeuppance. Totally Tunsie 59 min ago #42
More likely to affirm the untouchability of the rich and powerful Bobstandard 1 hr ago #38
Just a distraction to kee our eyes away from serious things IbogaProject 1 hr ago #39
I'll be concerned about my hat when (if) we actually see documents Jbraybarten 49 min ago #46

PCIntern

(27,818 posts)
7. Ok
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:24 AM
4 hrs ago

The OJ trial was the one of the most significant American issues which overtook the nation. It overshadowed every other bit of news at the time.

This list of perpetrators if/when released may eclipse that in terms of impact.

Cirsium

(3,159 posts)
50. No it wasn't
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:36 PM
7 min ago

Whites were strangely obsessed with the Simpson murder case. That was bizarre and disgusting and had nothing to do with anything other than racism. It certainly was not "one of the most significant American issues."

PatrickforB

(15,302 posts)
29. Oh, no...I'm thinking a number of these young ladies might have been killed over the years if they tried to get away.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:28 AM
3 hrs ago

This is human sex trafficking by billionaire dirtbag pedophile parasites. If someone becomes inconvenient to such men, they will casually have them killed.

EdmondDantes_

(1,164 posts)
45. It's pretty common for family members to struggle to accept suicide
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:53 PM
49 min ago

The brother also says Jeffrey Epstein was innocent. He's not particularly credible on the subject.

quakerboy

(14,661 posts)
48. If the various indications of Russian Intel involvement are remotely accurate
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:04 PM
39 min ago

It would be pretty wierd if there werent murders involved somewhere in the process.

EYESORE 9001

(29,304 posts)
5. Sounds like 'must-seeTV'
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:18 AM
4 hrs ago

One would think network executroids would be thrilled to cover a story lasting past one news cycle.

quakerboy

(14,661 posts)
49. Or at least their owners are.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:05 PM
37 min ago

I think the same is true in politics. I suspect there are fewer politicians on that list than most expect, and more megadonors.

livetohike

(23,851 posts)
6. All of that plus the cover up will exceed that of Watergate.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:22 AM
4 hrs ago

We’re going to need a lot of popcorn.

popsdenver

(1,048 posts)
35. After this
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:21 PM
2 hrs ago

Watergate on a scale of one to a million, will rate a .5 when compared to all of this.........

COL Mustard

(7,807 posts)
47. My blood pressure can't handle
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:58 PM
44 min ago

A lot of popcorn. I put too much salt on it, apparently.

doc03

(38,654 posts)
8. I agree that would be the case but I don't think
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:25 AM
4 hrs ago

the Epstein files will ever see the light of day.

Ponietz

(4,180 posts)
9. The Simpson estate finally settled with Mr. Goldman for over $50 million dollars
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:28 AM
4 hrs ago

God, I hope this doesn’t require 30 years to redress.

Intractable

(1,399 posts)
11. RE: OJ, you didn't mention the awesome car chase down the freeway.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:32 AM
4 hrs ago

So slow, it could be filmed from every angle.

I'd be fine if Trump's end comes in the form of a fleeing White Bronco.

PCIntern

(27,818 posts)
14. A great moment in sports history
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:37 AM
4 hrs ago

I will never forget that we had had some people over who had left. I went upstairs to take a look at the NBA playoff game and instead I see this white car driving, so I figured I had the wrong channel went to another channel. It’s the same shot of the white car and I yelled down to my then-wife: “you better get up here something‘s going on.“

BlueKota

(4,912 posts)
13. I wish I shared your confidence,
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:36 AM
4 hrs ago

, but tsf and his lap dog Johnson wouldn't be changing their tune to the press, if they didn't believe they had away to protect themselves. Like many have said here, and in the press, Bondi will probably claim she can't release them because of an active investigation, or they have scrubbed all the parts that will hurt tsf or any of his supporters. They will have left anything that points to Democrats being involved. I also don't think they are above planting phony evidence.

I know I am being a pessimist, but I have seen so many headlines since the whole tsf nightmare began, saying he's done, yet he's still standing, and taking a wrecking ball to the country.

I am tired of getting my hopes up only to watch them crash. I am saving the celebration until he is actually impeached, jailed, or succumbs to natural causes.

PCIntern

(27,818 posts)
15. That would be the equivalent of Nixon's firing of Archibald Cox
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:39 AM
4 hrs ago

Firestorm. And I don’t mean the movie starring Howie Long!

Wednesdays

(21,351 posts)
28. We hope.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:27 AM
3 hrs ago

The M$M is an entirely different animal than it was in 1973. The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column. And don't get me started about social media.

GopherGal

(2,725 posts)
18. Yeah, I'm worried that they're adulterating the evidence as fast as they can
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:46 AM
3 hrs ago

with rooms full of little DOGE-bags scrubbing Drumpf and his buddies' names out of the files, leaving us to guess who "Bubba" and "the dog who didn't bark" were.

MuirHero

(67 posts)
44. There is a huge risk to the criminal cabal if they alter the files.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:47 PM
55 min ago

Because they do not know who else out there has corroborating evidence that would expose any criminal attempt to destroy or alter any evidence that is in the possession of the DOJ. It is also very likely that FBI whistleblowers, particularly those who lost their jobs, would come forward and expose any alteration of the Epstein files.

KS Toronado

(22,127 posts)
26. Almost everybody hates Pedophiles and some of the stuff
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:20 AM
3 hrs ago

IQ4.7 & his partners-in-crime want to stay hidden will mysteriously "trickle down" out of the DOJ one of
these days or Congress will find a way to make them public. The dam is starting to leak and Rs can not
hold it back forever. It'll be time for Rs to question how they vote.

When it does I hope our party adopts a poor vs the super wealthy game plan to win elections. Wealthy Rs
want more tax breaks to buy expensive toys like molesting children, wealthy Ds say I've got more money
than I need TAX ME.

ToxMarz

(2,616 posts)
16. This is a big deal, but not EVERYONE we can think of is in the Epstein files
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:40 AM
4 hrs ago

I have no doubt there will be many prominent names in there and big repercussions but just as the Magats will be disappointed that not every single Democrat is in them, not every Republican, billionaire, CEO etc is in them either.

TheRickles

(3,073 posts)
17. I'll see you and raise you one (scandal).
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:46 AM
3 hrs ago

The Epstein/Trump stuff is already reaching over to Israel (via Maxwell's Mossad links), and my guess is that they're behind a lot of this. So hopefully it won't be too long before we're saying "Bye-bye Bibi!".

Bev54

(13,042 posts)
21. Eventually is too long to wait, the country needs it all to come out now.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:04 AM
3 hrs ago

Unfortunately Trump cabal is fighting hard against that. I just hope it doesn't have to wait until a democratic administration. A revolt needs to happen.

Joinfortmill

(19,542 posts)
22. Yup, a Tsunami of crime, corruption, graft, exploitation and just plain ugliness is about to erupt.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:05 AM
3 hrs ago

KS Toronado

(22,127 posts)
30. Yep, and it'll be overwhelming MSM on how to report on it
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:29 AM
3 hrs ago

they can't cover for IQ4.7 forever and eventually will start telling the truth I believe.

rampartd

(3,067 posts)
23. can you imagine dershowicz in the civil war
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:07 AM
3 hrs ago

john wilkes booth might have him for the defense.

azureblue

(2,621 posts)
33. and more than that
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:13 PM
2 hrs ago

is the money laundering and back door financing that Epstein brokered. Shady connections with Putin. Suspicious money transferring after Epstein died. Epstein was worth billions, and had no source of income, but money "given" to him. Blackmail? This is the part the GOP is afraid to let see the light. I am sure that the money shenanigans will include big GOP donors and groups, like the Heritage Foundation, Turning Point, etc.

I think the Child trafficking and international pedo ring is a part of it, and overlaps with his finances.

Will Trump be set up as a scapegoat, to direct attention away from this? He may, but Trump will take the whole house down with him, if he goes..

And hopefully this will end the corrupt GOP for good.

YodaMom2

(138 posts)
36. You still assume this vote in the House will ultimately result in the release of the Epstein files
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:28 PM
2 hrs ago

(after it passes in the Senate and, of course, is signed by the Resident). However, I suspect tRump’s complete about-face on the subject was not just to save face (since even that dumb bastard could tell what direction the wind is blowing). I think he’s already worked it out with Bondi to have her deny (or limit) the release due to “ongoing investigations”. He’ll pretend his hands are tied and let her take all the heat.

Vinca

(53,039 posts)
37. Unfortunately, I think Blondie will be Trump's savior and sit on the files because of an "ongoing investigation."
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:33 PM
2 hrs ago

Bobstandard

(2,106 posts)
38. More likely to affirm the untouchability of the rich and powerful
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:47 PM
1 hr ago

Whether withheld, altered, missing or destroyed, it’s unlikely we’ll ever see anything like the complete files. Those we suspect of being involved really do live in an alternate world of privilege. If necessary a distraction as bold, wreckless, and destructive as bombing Mexico is fine with them.

IbogaProject

(5,432 posts)
39. Just a distraction to kee our eyes away from serious things
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:07 PM
1 hr ago

Where was this "story" 15 months ago? This story reappeared right after the BBB got passed in July. I really feel this is a planned distraction away from serious issues and the wealthy folks harming us. I agree this is titilating and the rights of the victims to get redress are both important but we have secret police grabbing people and leaving little in the way of a paper trail and we have war crimes being perpetrated by our military on the open seas, not to mention the esclation with tomahawks being delivered to Ukraine to keep poking Russia.

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