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samsingh

(18,213 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:14 AM 8 hrs ago

Couldn't Trump just have doctored Epstein records released?

With all mention of him and other Republicans removed?

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Couldn't Trump just have doctored Epstein records released? (Original Post) samsingh 8 hrs ago OP
I think there are too many "insiders" that have seen them to get away with it. Wonder why Biden didn't release them? walkingman 8 hrs ago #1
Ghislaine Maxwell's trial didn't conclude until the end of 2021 Arazi 8 hrs ago #5
Thank you - makes sense. It highlights how much damage just one person can do to our country. walkingman 8 hrs ago #7
At least two of the victims still had legal cases underway. GoCubsGo 8 hrs ago #8
Thank you also - DU members are a wealth of information. walkingman 8 hrs ago #9
I thought the Johnson cases were dropped in 2016? MichMan 6 hrs ago #17
They were dropped in 2016 forthemiddle 6 hrs ago #21
Maybe because Garland was doing his job Jersey Devil 8 hrs ago #10
I just always assumed there are democrats Tree Lady 7 hrs ago #16
Could be...because this has gone on for so long it leads to all kinds of speculation and rationalization.... walkingman 6 hrs ago #19
Yes but that will backfire. Too many people have their own set of documents Arazi 8 hrs ago #2
Biden was too busy trying to fix the country johnnyfins 8 hrs ago #3
Gotta say that had the documents been displacedvermoter 8 hrs ago #14
This is true as well johnnyfins 7 hrs ago #15
Could it be there is more of one copy out there, and Trump doesn't hold all the copies? patphil 8 hrs ago #4
I doubt very much that there is a single copy of the files. Ocelot II 8 hrs ago #6
It's the pics and videos that are most damning imo Iwasthere 8 hrs ago #11
Trump must go now Blues Heron 8 hrs ago #12
I hope the photos and possible videos are also released. Much harder deny something you walkingman 8 hrs ago #13
Used to be the case before AI MichMan 6 hrs ago #18
I think he needs to know who will vote on it off-the-clock 6 hrs ago #20

walkingman

(10,118 posts)
1. I think there are too many "insiders" that have seen them to get away with it. Wonder why Biden didn't release them?
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:17 AM
8 hrs ago

Arazi

(8,579 posts)
5. Ghislaine Maxwell's trial didn't conclude until the end of 2021
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:23 AM
8 hrs ago

No documents would have been released until the trial was concluded.

New information came out in the trial that re-opened the investigation. Merrick Fucking Garland decided to be a total stickler about “protocols” and wouldn’t release any docs while there was an open investigation. Then he dragged his feet until it was 2024 whereby (whoopsie!) we’re into an election year and candidate investigations get iced out of deference per that fucking OLC memo

walkingman

(10,118 posts)
7. Thank you - makes sense. It highlights how much damage just one person can do to our country.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:28 AM
8 hrs ago

GoCubsGo

(34,550 posts)
8. At least two of the victims still had legal cases underway.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:28 AM
8 hrs ago

Therefore, Biden could not release anything. One of them was Katie Johnson, who eventually backed down due to threats from Trump and/or his various thugs.

forthemiddle

(1,456 posts)
21. They were dropped in 2016
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 01:30 PM
6 hrs ago

Katie Johnson dropped all charges in 2016 and the Maxwell case finished in 2022, three years before President Bidens term ended.
There was more than enough time for the files to be released.
Why the Biden, or Harris campaigns didn't get the files released I will never understand, but it certainly wasn't because they ran out of time.

Jersey Devil

(10,664 posts)
10. Maybe because Garland was doing his job
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:33 AM
8 hrs ago

The investigation was open and DOJ policy is not to release info re pending investigations. He was being cautious (overly cautious in the investigation of Trump imo).

Tree Lady

(12,911 posts)
16. I just always assumed there are democrats
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:39 PM
7 hrs ago

And donors in there along with Trump and republicans. At the time Trump was being taken to court and possibly going to jail for many different things, he might have not wanted to give them a chance to say he was prejudicing the jurors against him.

walkingman

(10,118 posts)
19. Could be...because this has gone on for so long it leads to all kinds of speculation and rationalization....
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 01:19 PM
6 hrs ago

but the one truth is that venerable young girls were exploited by the rich and powerful and highlights how our society does not take seriously the victimization of women or girls. Things like domestic abuse, physical or sexual violence, continues until people are held accountable and throughout history that is seldom the case.

Arazi

(8,579 posts)
2. Yes but that will backfire. Too many people have their own set of documents
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:18 AM
8 hrs ago

Or have seen the originals.

Many of the young women’s defense attorneys have original docs. So does the Epstein estate. I presume at least a couple of the attorneys that were involved in any type of scrub job kept an original set (or two).

It’s possible some Dem lawmakers are holding original documents as well. Time will tell

displacedvermoter

(4,017 posts)
14. Gotta say that had the documents been
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:37 AM
8 hrs ago

released in their entirety, and had that prevented Trump from getting elected, that would have helped the American people immensely.

Ocelot II

(128,320 posts)
6. I doubt very much that there is a single copy of the files.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:26 AM
8 hrs ago

It's a ton of stuff, on paper and stored electronically, and by now it's in many different hands. Once something takes electronic form it's very easy to move around. Many cats are out of many bags already; I doubt it's even possible at this point to alter, redact or destroy all copies or versions of the contents. (It's not like the Pentagon Papers, where Daniel Ellsberg smuggled batches of documents out of his office and took them to another location in order to photocopy all 7,000 pages, a page at a time, over a period of four months.)

Iwasthere

(3,431 posts)
11. It's the pics and videos that are most damning imo
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:34 AM
8 hrs ago

Probably a video of an unexscusable crime, even for maga

walkingman

(10,118 posts)
13. I hope the photos and possible videos are also released. Much harder deny something you
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:37 AM
8 hrs ago

see with your own "lyin' eyes" - but not impossible in todays world.

off-the-clock

(308 posts)
20. I think he needs to know who will vote on it
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 01:29 PM
6 hrs ago

... Both demonize the Democrats and primary the Republicans

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