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Miles Archer

(20,902 posts) Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:10 PM Sunday

The Epstein vote, the odds of a Trump veto, and the odds of 2/3 of Congress overriding it

I'm not going to be a pessimist over this, but as someone who lived through "Fitzmas" and "The Mueller Report," I'm not taking a victory lap until the situation warrants one. Trump can make a lot of threatening phone calls before Tuesday, and even more if his veto becomes a reality. I think this has to pass with a veto-proof majority the first time, or it won't pass at all.

Trump may end up facing a veto-proof revolt when it comes to the Epstein files, according to a MSNOW panel.

MSNOW's The Weekend took questions from viewers on Sunday, including one individual who tried to pour cold water on the upcoming Epstein release vote.

"Any vote to release Epstein files will be vetoed by Trump, then sent back to the House and Senate, where it will require a two thirds majority to override the veto in both chambers. Isn't it folly to think that these will ever be released?" the viewer asked. "No way will two thirds of them vote to override his veto."

https://www.rawstory.com/msnbc-trump-revolt-this-one/

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The Epstein vote, the odds of a Trump veto, and the odds of 2/3 of Congress overriding it (Original Post) Miles Archer Sunday OP

IMO it would be best to prepare to make hay out of the coverup rather than the RockRaven Sunday #1

even if the House and Senate override the veto lapfog_1 Sunday #2

That, and Trump ordering Bondi to "investigate Democrats"... Miles Archer Sunday #3

Everything but Periods, Comma's and Quotes will be deemed related lol ;) n/t Cheezoholic Sunday #4

I don't see how pedophilia suddenly gets a, "Classified," designation Bayard Sunday #6

There is alwasy the tried and true "source and methods" lapfog_1 Sunday #7

We need to take back congress so we can mzmolly Sunday #5

So if it passes in the house with a simple majority, Emile Sunday #8

Trump can veto it no matter what the vote is onenote Sunday #9

It won't get past the filibuster- it won't reach his desk, so he won't have to veto it. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #10

The victims will not let this story die.So I have faith in that Tribetime Sunday #11

If nothing else we need a leaker from deep inside. electric_blue68 Sunday #12

RockRaven

(18,427 posts)

1. IMO it would be best to prepare to make hay out of the coverup rather than the

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:15 PM

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contents of the files.

lapfog_1

(31,431 posts)

2. even if the House and Senate override the veto

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:20 PM

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assuming it passes the House and Senate and goes to Trump...

The bill only promises to release "unclassified" documentation related to the Epstein investigation.

You can bet that much of the damaging material will suddenly become classified.

Miles Archer

(20,902 posts)

3. That, and Trump ordering Bondi to "investigate Democrats"...

Reply to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:23 PM

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...I'm no expert, but I am assuming she can determine how much of that material is "related to an ongoing investigation," and therefore cannot be released. And the investigation could last 3 years, if she wanted it to. Who's going to stop her?

Cheezoholic

(3,461 posts)

4. Everything but Periods, Comma's and Quotes will be deemed related lol ;) n/t

Reply to Miles Archer (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:33 PM

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Bayard

(27,818 posts)

6. I don't see how pedophilia suddenly gets a, "Classified," designation

Reply to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:50 PM

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Unless that's how they are planning on protecting anything trump in there.

lapfog_1

(31,431 posts)

7. There is alwasy the tried and true "source and methods"

Reply to Bayard (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:54 PM

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but no justification must be given... the administration can classify anything it wants

mzmolly

(52,549 posts)

5. We need to take back congress so we can

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:49 PM

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hold hearings and investigate.

Emile

(39,210 posts)

8. So if it passes in the house with a simple majority,

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 06:00 PM

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then goes to the Senate, it will need 67 votes to keep it from a Trump veto. If Trump does veto it, it goes back to the house, and the house will also need a super majority vote to override Trump's veto?

Is that right?

onenote

(45,858 posts)

9. Trump can veto it no matter what the vote is

Reply to Emile (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 16, 2025, 06:07 PM

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Even if a veto proof majority votes for it in either or both houses, he could veto out and then it would turn on whether any of those who voted for it initially switch their position and don't vote to override.

My guess is that the resolution to have a vote gets a ton of support. But that the subsequent vote on the bill itself falls short of a veto proof majority. The vast majority of repubs are in safe seats and won't be afraid to vote against release of the files.