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MineralMan

(150,334 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 03:58 PM Yesterday

Beating Cuomo in NYC Is NOT a Progressive Landslide.

It is merely common sense. Mamdani will be the Mayor of NYC, nothing more than that. It is not a harbinger of anything nationwide.

We must win every election - One election at a time.

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Beating Cuomo in NYC Is NOT a Progressive Landslide. (Original Post) MineralMan Yesterday OP
Elections should always be looked at according to that JI7 Yesterday #1
Politics are a local thing. MineralMan Yesterday #2
Any good Dem edhopper Yesterday #3
Yes. MineralMan Yesterday #4
Agree Kaleva 11 hrs ago #16
It's a huge win. H2O Man Yesterday #5
Once people realize they can have things like a $30 min wage, free child care & transportation, rent freezes, and MichMan Yesterday #6
Careful DFW 18 hrs ago #13
In Albuquerque, the buses are free womanofthehills 5 hrs ago #20
Mamdani didn't deliver on any of those things. That's all aspirational. maxsolomon 4 hrs ago #21
He hasn't even taken office yet. Those were his campaign promises. MichMan 3 hrs ago #27
I (dis)agree with you, Mr. MineralMan mr715 Yesterday #7
I laughed at your title even though I don't know much about NY politics. Tbear Yesterday #8
dynamic younger guy with vision vs a tired same old thing retread with tons of baggage. hmmmmmm msongs 21 hrs ago #9
Yeah DFW 17 hrs ago #14
He's inspirational nationwide lame54 20 hrs ago #10
No, but I think something is brewing Blasphemer 19 hrs ago #11
Much can be learned from Mamdani's campaign. thought crime 19 hrs ago #12
I think there is something to be learned from all three victories SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #15
Three things: Rob H. 5 hrs ago #19
Ok SocialDemocrat61 4 hrs ago #25
With all due respect, Rob H. 3 hrs ago #28
Ok SocialDemocrat61 3 hrs ago #29
The last progressive Mayor of New York was David Dinkins, over 30 years ago Prairie Gates 11 hrs ago #17
Dinkins never got the credit he deserved SocialDemocrat61 3 hrs ago #30
I think that it's over the top to read too much into NYC's election. It's not comparable to 90%+ of the country. themaguffin 10 hrs ago #18
Mamdani was unknown when he first ran...it was an amazing campaign. He did a great job... Demsrule86 4 hrs ago #22
The race was closer than expected. 49.4% of the voters voted for "someone else". N/T lapucelle 4 hrs ago #23
There's no reason not to try. BlueTsunami2018 4 hrs ago #24
The Progressive Era was a movement of city politics, civic organizations, and oppressed people bucolic_frolic 4 hrs ago #26

MichMan

(16,302 posts)
6. Once people realize they can have things like a $30 min wage, free child care & transportation, rent freezes, and
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:46 PM
Yesterday

cheaper groceries, I expect to see candidates all over the country following Mamdani's lead.

DFW

(59,379 posts)
13. Careful
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 03:20 AM
18 hrs ago

There will be people who think that all that Mamdani clones around the country have to do is snap their fingers and it will be so. The “everything-is-free-in Europe” crowd does not take contradiction lightly.

womanofthehills

(10,616 posts)
20. In Albuquerque, the buses are free
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 04:24 PM
5 hrs ago

New Mexico also has free childcare & free college. Thanks to our great Gov. If SNAP didn’t go through, she was going to pick up the tab.

NM has more money now because of the Permian Basin.

maxsolomon

(37,841 posts)
21. Mamdani didn't deliver on any of those things. That's all aspirational.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 04:34 PM
4 hrs ago

People would LIKE those things. America will conspire to prevent NYC voters from realizing any of them.

mr715

(2,295 posts)
7. I (dis)agree with you, Mr. MineralMan
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:55 PM
Yesterday

I agree that is was not a "progressive landslide". I think had Mamdani performed better, and had Sliwa pulled more from Cuomo rather than bleeding support to him, it would've been a landslide election that would translate to what you mean by a more generalized progressive landslide.

Where I disagree, and I'm even sure if we do disagree, is that Mamdani's victory elucidated a manner of campaigning that is fresh and might be conducive to winning elsewhere. He showed that social justice populism is a strong foundation.

Additionally - and I think this is a point that hasn't really been discussed, Mamdani ran very much a New York City focused campaign. Significantly more than any mayor in my lifetime except Giuliani (from a darker perspective, i.e. New York is full of these bad things and I'm going to fix them!). In effect, he ran a "NYC First" campaign, and you are right that politics is local. In this sort of NY-pride sort of way, I think Mamdani shared some tactics with Trump's MAGA.

Mamdani won an election that he, conceivably, could have lost. His win is data we should analyze and use moving forward.

Also, he has forced Gov. Hochul to rethink her frustrating centrism, which will probably bode well for her as well.

Tbear

(655 posts)
8. I laughed at your title even though I don't know much about NY politics.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 06:06 PM
Yesterday

Then I realized I was really laughing at NY city politics in general. Even though I don’t know much about it.

msongs

(72,853 posts)
9. dynamic younger guy with vision vs a tired same old thing retread with tons of baggage. hmmmmmm
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:10 AM
21 hrs ago

Blasphemer

(3,539 posts)
11. No, but I think something is brewing
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 01:45 AM
19 hrs ago

Katie Wilson in Seattle is also evidence. I say this as someone who has been critical of the modern progressive moment. Trump's policies are so egregious (and the early Democratic response so underwhelming) that progressive have a real opportunity to gain some traction and they seem to be seizing it.

thought crime

(1,013 posts)
12. Much can be learned from Mamdani's campaign.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 02:09 AM
19 hrs ago

We need highly disciplined candidates who keep a laser focus on economic and practical improvements. Happy warriors who offer concrete action-oriented plans to help everyday people. A good issue to focus on almost everywhere is housing. Mamdani's idea on public grocery stores could sell in many cities and suburbs, but the main thing is to offer ideas that solve real problems in peoples lives.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,471 posts)
15. I think there is something to be learned from all three victories
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:51 AM
11 hrs ago

Mamdani, Sherrill and Spanberger all interacted with voters and addressed their concerns. It's not good enough just to run against Trump. That is only so effective.

In the case of Mamdani, there is a lesson for the extreme left who either stayed home last year or voted third party. He never ran against the Democratic Party. He never made a purity test over endorsements. Too many of them pushed that kind of crap. Some even went so far as to make the BS claim that "establishment Dems" had endorsed Cuomo. Or attacking people who don't live in NYC and had never endorsed a candidate for Mayor before, like Pete Buttigieg and others, for not endorsing Mamdani. Mamdani himself never did this stuff but many of his supporters did and are still doing so.

Mamdani showed that real progressives can succeed in the Democratic Party by working within it, not by trying to tear it down.

Rob H.

(5,750 posts)
19. Three things:
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 04:17 PM
5 hrs ago
Some even went so far as to make the BS claim that "establishment Dems" had endorsed Cuomo.

Fmr. President Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo's candidacy back in June and urged people to vote for him for mayor.

Or attacking people who don't live in NYC and had never endorsed a candidate for Mayor before...for not endorsing Mamdani.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who does live in NYC (Brooklyn) and has previously endorsed mayoral candidates, when asked if he would endorse Mamdani, literally turned and walked away rather than answer the question. Schumer was also later asked whether he supported the Democratic nominee for mayor and responded, "Look, I voted, and I look forward to working with the next mayor to help New York City.”

Schumer endorsed Shawn Ryan in his race for mayor of Buffalo, NY, this year, and in 2021 endorsed socialist candidate India Walton for the same office. His subsequent reluctance to throw his support behind Mamdani is curious, to say the very least; even Hakeem Jeffries ultimately endorsed Mamdani.

Mamdani showed that real progressives can succeed in the Democratic Party by working within it, not by trying to tear it down.

Mamdani showed that real progressives can succeed in the Democratic Party whether the party supports them or not.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,471 posts)
25. Ok
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:19 PM
4 hrs ago
Fmr. President Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo's candidacy back in June and urged people to vote for him for mayor.


Clinton endorsed Cuomo in the primary and made no endorsement in the general.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who does live in NYC (Brooklyn) and has previously endorsed mayoral candidates, when asked if he would endorse Mamdani, literally turned and walked away rather than answer the question


True about Schumer and that is a fair criticism. But my post specifically referred to Pete Buttigieg and others which you edited out.

Mamdani showed that real progressives can succeed in the Democratic Party whether the party supports them or not.


Mamdani got plenty of support from democrats, specifically:
Elected officials: Gov. Kathy Hochul, Lt. Gov. Antonio Delgado, state Attorney General Letitia James, Reps. Hakeem Jeffries, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jerrold Nadler, Nydia Velázquez, Adriano Espaillat, Pat Ryan and Yvette Clarke, state Comptroller Tom DiNapoli, New York City Comptroller Brad Lander, Public Advocate Jumaane Williams, state Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie, state Sens. Brad Hoylman-Sigal, John Liu, Julia Salazar, Jabari Brisport, Kristen Gonzalez, Gustavo Rivera, Michael Gianaris, Zellnor Myrie, Luis Sepúlveda, José Serrano, Nathalia Fernandez, Liz Krueger, Andrew Gounardes, and Samra Brouk, Bronx Democratic Party Chair and state Sen. Jamaal Bailey, Brooklyn Democratic Party Chair and Assembly Member Rodneyse Bichotte Hermelyn, Assembly Members Micah Lasher, Emily Gallagher, Phara Souffrant Forest, Marcela Mitaynes, Karines Reyes, Claire Valdez, Sarahana Shrestha, Khaleel Anderson, Robert Carroll, Jessica González-Rojas, Brian Cunningham, Steven Raga, Manny De Los Santos, Khaleel Anderson, Bobby Carroll, George Alvarez, Jordan Wright, Harvey Epstein, Al Taylor, Tony Simone, Emerita Torres, Landon Dais, Alex Bores, Maritza Davila, Monique Chandler-Waterman and Jo Anne Simon, Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, Brooklyn Borough President Antonio Reynoso, Queens Borough President Donovan Richards, Bronx Borough President Vanessa Gibson, City Council Speaker Adrienne Adams, City Council Members Chi Ossé, Justin Brannan, Shaun Abreu, Carmen De La Rosa, Pierina Sanchez, Jennifer Gutiérrez, Sandy Nurse, Lincoln Restler, Alexa Avilés, Tiffany Cabán, Shahana Hanif, Erik Bottcher, Crystal Hudson, Rita Joseph, Julie Won, Oswald Feliz, Diana Ayala, Kevin Riley, Chris Marte, Farah Louis and Amanda Farías.
Others: U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and Chris Van Hollen, Reps. Pramila Jayapal, Ro Khanna and Jamie Raskin, former Rep. Jamaal Bowman, former Mayor Bill de Blasio, former U.S. Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris, New York City Department of Transportation Commissioner Ydanis Rodriguez
https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2025/11/endorsements-2025-nyc-mayoral-general-election/406718/

As well as DNC chair Ken Martin.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/democratic-national-committee-zohran-mamdani-endorsement-nyc-mayor-rcna237025

Mamdani didn’t run against the party, he embraced it and got plenty of support from the party in return.

Rob H.

(5,750 posts)
28. With all due respect,
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:46 PM
3 hrs ago
Clinton endorsed Cuomo in the primary and made no endorsement in the general.

You didn't make that distinction in the post to which I was responding. You said:

Some even went so far as to make the BS claim that "establishment Dems" had endorsed Cuomo.

Again, as I very clearly said, Fmr. President Clinton endorsed his candidacy. That Cuomo went on to defeat in the primary doesn't matter; Clinton initially threw his weight behind him because he obviously wanted to help him win the primary and then the general. Otherwise, why endorse him?

You're correct about the Democrats who endorsed Mamdani, but Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader, couldn't be arsed to endorse Mamdani even though he'd endorsed other mayoral candidates before, even a socialist. Schumer's a heavy hitter whose withheld endorsement could've made the difference between victory and defeat if Mamdani hadn't been far enough ahead in the polls that he didn't actually need Schumer's endorsement.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,471 posts)
29. Ok
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:08 PM
3 hrs ago
You didn't make that distinction in the post to which I was responding.


Okay. Fair enough. I was referring to the general since the op was about the general. I apologize for not being more specific.

But to be fair to Clinton he didn’t endorse Cuomo once Mamdani won the primary and became the nominee. Again here is a list of endorsements for the general: https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2025/11/endorsements-2025-nyc-mayoral-general-election/406718/

Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader, couldn't be arsed to endorse Mamdani


Yes and Schumer deserves criticism for it. But Schumer is not the whole party. Criticize him, not the entire party. Stop using the actions of one person to demonize an entire party. And stop dragging others like Pete Buttigieg or others into it because one person didn’t endorse Mamdani.

Schumer's a heavy hitter whose withheld endorsement could've made the difference between victory and defeat


As a lifelong New Yorker, we don’t vote based on endorsements. We think for ourselves. Plus, I’ve never seen an election where so many people were concerned about endorsements.

Prairie Gates

(6,841 posts)
17. The last progressive Mayor of New York was David Dinkins, over 30 years ago
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:21 AM
11 hrs ago

Adams was a Democrat in name, but generally forwarded a cop-talk right wing program. He had a few progressive policies, I suppose, but was generally a corrupt flack for the business class. Bloomberg would have probably been a centrist Dem anywhere else, but he was ultimately a GOPer; his policies favored the rich and played a large part in transforming NYC into an unaffordable playground for the wealthy and tourists. He has largely been let off the hook for this, but the "Rent is too Damn High" guy actually did have Bloomberg's number and was speaking truth, even though he was roundly mocked by both the media and (unfortunately) conventional centrist Democrats.

I understand what you're saying, and I mostly agree, but the idea that NYC is some obvious place for a guy like Mamdani to be elected mayor is really to demonstrate a bit of ignorance of New York politics. This is a big deal. Maybe not nationally - who knows. But maybe it is an indicator nationally as well.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,471 posts)
30. Dinkins never got the credit he deserved
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:28 PM
3 hrs ago

Within a few months of becoming Mayor, every problem that Koch had ignored for over a decade, suddenly became all Dinkins fault.

themaguffin

(4,859 posts)
18. I think that it's over the top to read too much into NYC's election. It's not comparable to 90%+ of the country.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:56 AM
10 hrs ago

Yes, there are can be trends that may apply beyond that city, but the coverage really pissed me off as it's just not applicable mostly.

Demsrule86

(71,452 posts)
22. Mamdani was unknown when he first ran...it was an amazing campaign. He did a great job...
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 04:35 PM
4 hrs ago

Cuomo despite his issues came from a political dynasty. So, yeah I consider it a landslide of sorts. It was an amazing victory...call it what you will. MM, we had our go and some was good and some bad. Clearly, it is bad now and we need to try something different. Time for next generation to fix' things. The times they are a changing.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,769 posts)
24. There's no reason not to try.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 04:40 PM
4 hrs ago

Other than the ruling class hating it and pushing the “it can never work” propaganda.

People are sick of the same old, same old “moderate” bullshit. People want real change, they want healthcare, they want education, they want food security and living wages. People are sick of the capitalists taking more and more and leaving them with nothing. No services, the inability to afford anything, working their asses off and still falling behind.

We need people like Memdani. We need even more than that. We have to break the status quo. We have to end this bullshit system that rewards greed and selfishness above community and the common good.

We have to try, otherwise it’ll never get better.

bucolic_frolic

(53,279 posts)
26. The Progressive Era was a movement of city politics, civic organizations, and oppressed people
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:29 PM
4 hrs ago

This movement will ripple. I think city and town voters across the nation have little local interest in higher taxes, rising inflation, police thuggery, and a national security state that oppresses them. So these elections could ripple, but at the national level progressivism at least in 1900-1920, was a bit weak.

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