EDIT: It may be politics but it’s absolutely also about not wanting to elect a woman.

Again, it's because of religion, which again, only 49% of people claim a religion in the United States per Gallup.

It's because older people are still voting to shape a world they no longer have any responsibility to shape because they won't have to live with the consequences of their decisions (see: climate change).

And right now Gavin Newsom is getting the support that Kamala didn't get. But AOC isn't getting that support.

And I mean this respectfully, as I have great respect for your opinion and contributions to this community.

When you speak of the support differences between Newsom, Harris, and AOC, my question has to do with Newsom getting support that AOC isn't getting. I wonder if you could expand upon that? Are you referencing grass roots support, or establishment support? Or perhaps neither or both. I think that AOC has greater grass roots support than him, though it includes among independent voters who used to be Democrats. And that Newsom is going to get more support from establishment Democrats and corporations. These are jst my opinions.

And to be honest I worried when I used AOC as an example that it would become a focal point when I really only intended her as an example of a younger generation of politicians.
Mamdani would have done just as well.
Or Kat Abughazaleh
Or Aftyn Behn.
It's the generations and ideals they represent.
Plus AOC isn't running for president. She is still considering running for senator of New York.

But to your point, I do think AOC generates more grass roots support than a Newsom does. That said her and Newsom are in two very different schools of thought and political circles. Newsom is more a traditionalist and is more willing to compromise. I don't think that makes him a bad person or bad candidate but I do think we need younger candidates moving forward in all elected offices, not just the president.

which others do not.

Do you have that an entire group of people do what you accuse them of?

It's about generations that grew up and had their perspectives shaped by circumstances that no longer exist or are relevant.
The "evidence" is pretty obvious. That being socialism and communism is still a thing used to demonize people is pretty clear evidence.
That we are still debating women's rights and ability to vote is pretty clear evidence.
In a hundred different ways I'm not fit to relate as it's I'm not the best person to share young voters message.

A given age do not care less or more about a topic such as climate change than do other groups. Produce respected surveys, show voting tendencies that clearly support a claim, look at behaviors such as who shows up to rallies, etc., and maybe your argument would hold water, but even if so, there is considerable diversity within age groups. Look up refereed research on “generations” and you will see that beliefs about how cohorts may differ are generally unsupported.

It is just as wrong to be ageist as it is to be sexist, racist, etc.

I updated my OP

I am a boomer myself (age 78) and am aware that my journey is almost over. But I don't think that dismissing the experience and ideas of an entire generation is a good idea at all. Age doesn't automatically make someone "out of touch". Just saying....

It's not about being "out of touch". People my age(55) and older see the world differently. Our priorities are different.

I consider myself a pretty liberal progressive person. A lot more so than many people my age but when I talk to young people even i don't see things like they do.
Without even realizing it I automatically steer toward pragmatism and compromise when, on certain issues, there shouldn't be any at all

Buying into this idea that it's not the right time for women in politics is a pragmatic one. It is conceding to the right what they want.

Fuck that.

Many modern economies have already had one or more female leaders.

At the same time that many Republicans are saying that maybe women shouldn't vote and that raping a 15 year old girl isn't so bad, a thought leader in our party now says that women shouldn't run for president.

It's all because of old people. No young people think that.

There are still anti-women super conservatives raising the same.

As a boomer myself I have to agree. Time for more young blood who are not cowed or bought to enter the political fray.

I know a lot of people in that under 30 age range and they do not support Newsom as president.
Many, if not most, young people would obviously vote for him if he were the candidate but don't confuse that with support. From their perspective it's just a lesser of bad choices.

I simply used AOC as an example. I could have just as well used Mamdani. It's the ideal of a younger candidate that is more in tune with the needs and perspectives of a younger electorate.

The type of person you are describing is a fucking piece of shit.

They have a problem within Liz Cheney opposing Trump and you make the excuse for them that ut has to do work Liz Cheney's politics. So these people couldn't look at the politics and history of the woman actually running ? They were able to excuse Trump for all his vileness but anyone that Kamala associated with had to be pure.

Don't give me this bs. The support For Gavin Newsom shows what it's about.

And why aren't the anti war Trump supporters coming out against the attacks on the boats ?

Screw Liz Cheney. Her and her dad are garbage and no one should be seen in public with them.

As far as support for VP Harris, I have been a supporter of Harris since before most people had heard of her. Before she even ran for Senate. I am a former host of the Harris forum when she ran the first time.

Doesn't mean we cannot talk openly and fairly about the good and bad of her campaigns.

Support for Newsom is soft among young people and the new presidental cycle hasn't officially started yet.
Plus it's not just about the office of president. It's about politics as a whole.

They arent focused completely on the illegal boat attacks and pending military assault on Venezuela because they are a little distracted by the Nazis grabbing people off the streets in our country.

Plus I cannot ignore that you seem to be taking this personal and I am sorry for that because its not meant to be offensive. Just my opinion shaped by the young people to enlighten myself and understand their perspectives on things.

but then didn't support Warren when she actually ran.

The factbis Newsom is getting support that AOC is not getting. He performs her.

The "I think you just called me a liar on national TV" incident -- sigh.

"I was glad to give some time to campaigning with Liz Cheney in the hope that we could reach those Republicans who believe, as we do, that fundamental principles of our democracy should never be partisan issues. The amount of time, however, was exaggerated by the media's interest in our unlikely pairing. We campaigned together for only one and half days."

Kamala Harris, "107 Days"

whose actual record and history is being anti war and called out Netanyahu to his face is the best example of people looking for any excuse not to suppprt a woman.

The support for Newsom makes it more clear but people will keep dismissing the evidence and bring up bs like Liz Cheney.

These little disgruntled novels about nothing are too boring to read through all the way.

into a common trap.

She held hands with a Repubican? Her opponent raped a woman.

She "threw her sister under the bus"? (I don't remember that, but whatever.) Her opponent stole top secret documents and then lied about it and refused to give them back.

She wasn't enough like AOC? Her opponent tried to overthrow the government . (BTW, I disagree with the idea that a national candidate should be like AOC. And I'm someone who will vote for her in a heartbeat if she goes for the Senate seat.)

There is, I hope you see, no comparison between what the two candidates did, and yet Cankles won easily.

A good chunk of people, enough to swing the election, refused to vote for her because she was a woman. Rather than voting for a woman, they voted for a raping, treasonous traitor. Then, when they had elected him, they watched as women's rights were stripped and the discourse around women became something out of some sadistic medieval witch hunt.

Michelle is absolutely right. We are not ready.

It's mind boggling.

Agree with Michelle too.

...to believe there's anything that was/is going to get a woman, much less a black woman, elected president in this country. We've seen Hillary and Harris rejected in favor of a person who's a corrupt and ignorant inveterate liar. I continue to be amazed at how some people can't get their heads around the depth and breadth of bigotry and sexism in this country. AOC might have trouble getting elected to statewide office in New York, much less getting elected to the presidency.

There nothing new in the fact voters who favor Republicans have no use for Democrats who portray themselves as Republican-lite. The issue isn't there aren't Democrats who are ready to embrace the kinds of policies you'd hear about from an AOC, the issue of the leadership of the party knows their bread gets buttered by the same level of corporate overlords and ultra-rich that does it for the Republicans.

You'll see the entrenched misogyny of the GOPer base fly right out the window if/when they run "their" woman.

They couldn't wait to vote for Palin as VP

good lives!

I've never had kids/grand kids and I've been following environmental issues since the mid-'60s - which later included climate change. I care about Humanity as a whole.

It's the politics of caring about the environment and the traditional approach to politics. It's also a generalization. Not my intention to paint everyone with that same broad strokes.
My point is that the perspective and ideals of most people my age and older was shaped by a world that doesn't exist anymore.
Many that lived through the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s, lived with compromising on sexism or racism or voting or redlining or women not being able to get a credit card without a man's permission.

When my dad left my mom in 1989, he cancelled their credit cards and drained their joint accounts and my mom didn't even have a say in it and no power to stop it.
That isn't the world we live in now.

My point is that our world, the world we grew up in, is not their world and the world they want and how they get there, is different. Their ideas and perspectives are different. We need to pass on the baton to the next generation and let them find their own way.

And you may be right, or partially right.

Mandani is making buses free by reallocating MTA resources.
2% tax increase on those making more that a million dollars to assist with rent stabilization and daycare.

All are budget neutral (meaning no increase) and result in no increase on lower or middle class tax burden.

All will dramatically improve the quality of life for tens of thousands of people

I take the subway, too, but a lot more local traveling is busy only, so yeah.

I sure hope an increase in the amount of rent stabilized apartments can happen!

And other good plans.

After a two hour meeting with Mamdani Gov Hochul now open to corporate tax increase

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-governor-considering-raising-corporate-taxes-source-says-2025-11-14/

I'm Gen X. I'm also a Black woman.

Maybe if it all burns and we build back better . . .

But the nauseating accommodation by lower case *working* class Dems of MTG?

Eh? Folks are going to ask us to come together with those people. I refuse.

I will never come together with those people. Ever.

Harris was the most liberal candidate. Two things blocked her - Race and Gender.

And because of that? America ain't shit. This country hates Black.women in particular. And now? We hate it back.