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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,065 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:37 PM Sunday

Economist Mark Zandi says 22 states are already in recession based on 2 clear indicators. How to protect yourself now

The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) defines a recession as a "significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and that lasts more than a few months."

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In a recent MarketWatch report, Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, said 22 of America’s 50 states — as well as the District of Columbia — are already in a recession, and if certain states start experiencing their own declines in growth, it could tip the entire country into a broad economic slump (2).

And while that sounds ominous, the good news is there are steps you can take to gear up for a potential economic decline.

The 22 states in recession

The states that Zandi believes are in recession are: Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Virginia, Washington, Washington, D.C., West Virginia and Wyoming.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/economist-mark-zandi-says-22-125900315.html

I'm in Washington state. While things don't seem so bad yet Amazon and Microsoft have announced layoffs. Don't know how much a chain reaction there will be.

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Economist Mark Zandi says 22 states are already in recession based on 2 clear indicators. How to protect yourself now (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sunday OP
Great job, Krasnov! PJMcK Sunday #1
Oregon is bleeding jobs. CentralMass Sunday #2
Semi related... progressoid Sunday #3
Why would people with cash need to max out on credit anyway? MichMan Sunday #7
Because putting food on the table is more important than paying down the debt? Brother Buzz Sunday #9
Usually we hear that a sign of a recession is people using credit to pay for items because they don't have cash MichMan Sunday #10
We've been at that point. W_HAMILTON Sunday #13
This trend started a few years ago. progressoid Sunday #19
MAGATs believed Trump's lies. yardwork Yesterday #28
"The share of subprime borrowers at least 60 days behind on their auto loans rose to 6.65% in October, sop Sunday #4
I don't know why Florida Deep State Witch Sunday #5
Apparently the data suggests otherwise MichMan 15 hrs ago #32
Florida should be on that list too. So many empty businesses, restaurants closing etc. TommieMommy Sunday #6
I love his advice on how to survive a recession MichMan Sunday #8
Easy Peasy BeerBarrelPolka Sunday #11
What's yours? W_HAMILTON Sunday #14
Survived a couple so far MichMan Sunday #16
So, you basically had already done the things he recommended people do. W_HAMILTON Sunday #17
Did not have 3-6 months of emergency cash & couldn't even find one job, much less two. MichMan Sunday #18
Me too. OldBaldy1701E 23 hrs ago #30
Job loss in Washington State ms.pamela Sunday #12
I have many friends at the shipyard RainCaster 23 hrs ago #29
that's a new definition... WarGamer Sunday #15
I'm not surprised people aren't buying into the WH's rosy economic spin. BannonsLiver Sunday #20
This definition from the NBER might help some folks... WarGamer Sunday #21
ANOTHER "Republican recession".... All the illegal withholding of appropriated funds by Trump Jack Valentino Sunday #22
As an investor, I'll never understand why the majority Emile Yesterday #27
My husband just lost his manufacturing job Luciferous Sunday #23
Microsoft 365 just went from $69.99 to $99.99 - is that something? UTUSN Sunday #24
Washington, DC?....................... Lovie777 Yesterday #25
SNAP fallout will lighten payrolls by about 10 employees on average bucolic_frolic Yesterday #26
Forgot this one-----Elect Democrats. retread 20 hrs ago #31

progressoid

(52,347 posts)
3. Semi related...
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 03:58 PM
Sunday

I talk to somebody in retail who said that a lot of people are paying in cash now. They're maxed out on credit.

MichMan

(16,307 posts)
10. Usually we hear that a sign of a recession is people using credit to pay for items because they don't have cash
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:50 PM
Sunday

W_HAMILTON

(9,893 posts)
13. We've been at that point.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
Sunday

The only option left for many people is to go delinquent on their payments and use that freed-up cash to survive on just a bit longer, in the hopes things will eventually get better somehow...

progressoid

(52,347 posts)
19. This trend started a few years ago.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:53 PM
Sunday

I assume most don't have cash laying around. They have likely been putting things on credit hoping that things would turn around. And now they are living paycheck to paycheck and what's left in their sofa cushions.

In the aftermath of hot inflation and high interest rates, many Americans have been stretched so financially thin that they’ve borrowed up to the limit on a credit card, new data from Bankrate reveals.

Almost 2 in 5 cardholders (37 percent) have maxed out a credit card or come close since the Federal Reserve began raising interest rates in March 2022, according to Bankrate’s new Credit Utilization Survey. That includes 20 percent who have maxed out a card and another 17 percent who came close.

A maxed-out card can create a cascading set of problems for consumers. Their available credit dries up, limiting their options if they need to cover a necessary expense in a pinch, such as unexpected medical or household expenses.

...https://www.bankrate.com/credit-cards/news/credit-utilization-survey/


Nearly 2 in 5 cardholders have maxed out a credit card or come close, report finds
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/17/survey-nearly-2-in-5-cardholders-have-maxed-out-a-credit-card-or-come-close.html

yardwork

(68,586 posts)
28. MAGATs believed Trump's lies.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:54 AM
Yesterday

He promised that prices would fall and incomes would be up. Believing this, millions of people maxed out their credit assuming that once Trump was in office everything would magically be fine.

Now they're stuck with a lot of debt, higher prices, and less income. But somehow it's still all Obama's fault.

sop

(16,903 posts)
4. "The share of subprime borrowers at least 60 days behind on their auto loans rose to 6.65% in October,
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:18 PM
Sunday

the highest level on record, according to Fitch Ratings data going back to the early 1990s." - Reuters



Deep State Witch

(12,448 posts)
5. I don't know why Florida
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:25 PM
Sunday

Isn't on that list. Everything I'm seeing out of Florida is that the tourism industry is collapsing because the Canadian snowbirds aren't coming this year.

MichMan

(16,307 posts)
8. I love his advice on how to survive a recession
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 05:40 PM
Sunday

1) Establish a 3-to-6-month emergency cash savings fund

2) Pay off debt

3) Get a side job

MichMan

(16,307 posts)
16. Survived a couple so far
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:28 PM
Sunday

2008-2009 was the worst as I was unemployed for well over a year. Paying for Cobra took a major chunk out of unemployment checks

Live fairly modestly, so we were able to live on one income without having to touch any retirement accounts for living expenses. Not too much debt to worry about as we live in the only home we ever bought in 1993, and drive cars for 12 years and 200k miles. Cost of living in rural Michigan isn't too bad either.

Retired now, but spouse is still planning on working for a few more years. Recruiters have finally figured out I'm not un retiring, so the calls have diminished.

W_HAMILTON

(9,893 posts)
17. So, you basically had already done the things he recommended people do.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:38 PM
Sunday

Except instead of getting another job, you were able to survive on one job + unemployment.

His advice is easier said than done, but it is what most people would recommend in such a situation. Not sure why you had a problem with it...

EDIT: Oh, wait. You weren't being sarcastic, I take it? I'm not used to that, so I figured you were just criticizing his advice...

MichMan

(16,307 posts)
18. Did not have 3-6 months of emergency cash & couldn't even find one job, much less two.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:46 PM
Sunday

A significant number of people are living paycheck to paycheck. After paying rent, mortgage payments, car payments, taxes, and insurance & then hoping to have something left over.

Advising them to save up 3-6 months of emergency cash and paying down their debt makes the advice pretty unfeasible. Might as well say don't go into debt at all and live within your means.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,552 posts)
30. Me too.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:33 AM
23 hrs ago

Let's see here...

1) Establish a 3-to-6-month emergency cash savings fund - Can't... I have no income and my husband's income is gone before he gets it.

2) Pay off debt - Hahahahahahaha! See the first answer. Thanks to medical issues, debt is increasing more than income and that is not going to change as things stand.

3) Get a side job - Can't. disabled. Unable to get benefits because they agree I am disabled but my husband makes a few dollars so I don't count.

Now that we can see that myself, as well as many, many, many others are in this same boat... now what?

Besides die quickly, which seems to be the answer from the current socioeconomic model.

ms.pamela

(68 posts)
12. Job loss in Washington State
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:02 PM
Sunday

You need to remember that Washington State has a large population of federal and military employees and all of them went without pay for over a month while many of those were working without pay and others were laid off; that situation will probably occur once again after January. No one I know even those with large incomes are buying much for Christmas either. Our food banks in this area of Washington (Kitsap County) had a much higher rate of users during this time. Don't forget Starbucks is reducing its work force and Boeing is in that same process too. The Tariffs have had a damaging effect on the shipping businesses in our state as well. Wait until January when over half those folks on the ACA drop their health insurance along with the reduction in Medicaid and Medicare benefits hit people there goes the health care industry.

RainCaster

(13,341 posts)
29. I have many friends at the shipyard
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:18 AM
23 hrs ago

Who are all getting screwed by our government. Yet most are still fans of the Senile Pedofile. I didn't get it.

BannonsLiver

(20,109 posts)
20. I'm not surprised people aren't buying into the WH's rosy economic spin.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 08:44 PM
Sunday

The surprise is when people actually do believe it. But then again, sometimes that’s not very surprising either, if you know what I mean.

Jack Valentino

(4,049 posts)
22. ANOTHER "Republican recession".... All the illegal withholding of appropriated funds by Trump
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 10:10 PM
Sunday

would clearly be one factor in bringing this on--- tariffs are another factor---

Refusing to even talk with Democrats to get the government re-funded,
and thus leaving most federal workers without a paycheck for more than a month,
is another factor....


Think we should start calling all the homeless encampments "Trumpville"s


Emile

(39,200 posts)
27. As an investor, I'll never understand why the majority
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:36 AM
Yesterday

of people think Republicans are better with the economy.

You'd thought the Great Depression would have been a wakeup call.

Lovie777

(21,151 posts)
25. Washington, DC?.......................
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 08:53 AM
Yesterday

how could it be?

Unfortunately, corporate media will not cover this information. God Bless America.

bucolic_frolic

(53,282 posts)
26. SNAP fallout will lighten payrolls by about 10 employees on average
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:06 AM
Yesterday

at supermarkets. To say nothing of food spoilage. Maybe food banks can feed off that.

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