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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBill Clinton Is NOT Epstein's Bubba.
There is no way that Bill Clinton would have ever let Donald Trump that close to him. Clinton was not interested in such a thing, I'm sure.
To think otherwise is to ignore reality.
DinahMoeHum
(23,272 posts)Boo1
(43 posts)It's out there now, it's one of those "alternative facts."
MineralMan
(150,335 posts)So...
MineralMan
(150,335 posts)PatSeg
(51,503 posts)We don't need any alternative facts.
MineralMan
(150,335 posts)and for people who want me to trust them. It is this:
If you deliberately lie to me about anything important, you lose my trust. At best, I will fact check anything you tell me. At worst, I will completely discount anything you say from then on.
I don't have time to deal with lies. I'm not interested in dealing with lies. It is that simple and that rigid.
It's possible to regain my trust, but only if you admit that you lied deliberately and tell me you will never do that again. And I'll check every time until I'm satisfied. If you're a public figure, you get no second chance with me. Period.
Boo1
(43 posts)If people believe Trump blew Clinton, I don't care. Its totally unimportant to me and if it hurts Trump a little then all the better.
MineralMan
(150,335 posts)PatSeg
(51,503 posts)Once a spouse has lied, it becomes very difficult to ever trust that person again. The older we get, the less we become tolerate of willful deceit.
MineralMan
(150,335 posts)leftstreet
(38,349 posts)we all wonder
snowybirdie
(6,470 posts)The senator from South Carolina fits the bill
leftstreet
(38,349 posts)I'm bracing myself for the "saulsbury steak" memes
yardwork
(68,586 posts)The internet got a little silly.
However, I think this hurts Trump and the Republicans much more than it hurts Democrats.
We want all the names released. We are willing to let the chips fall. Trump is desperately hiding things.
Associating Trump with Clinton - especially suggesting gay sex (gasp) - hurts Trump in the eyes of MAGATs. I'm sure Bill Clinton is laughing about this. Trump is obviously not laughing.
Happy Hoosier
(9,285 posts)We know its not Clinton.
The point is that it humiliates Trump. It makes him an object of ridicule.
Bill Clinton will be fine. Trump will not.
newdeal2
(4,490 posts)But Im just here for the memes and jokes at Trumps expense. I love seeing MAGA squirm.
Niagara
(11,148 posts)It could be a person (C.R. "Bubba" Saulsbury Jr.) to be specific.
My take is that "Bubba" is a drug and that he was blowing AKA taking/snorting drugs.
During his first term, I saw white stuff fly out of Trump's nose on three different occasions while he was on TV. I'm not kidding, I actually saw it for myself. I should have wrote the dates down that I viewed this.
edhopper
(36,869 posts)Friend to Vance and Patel.
Tommy Carcetti
(44,328 posts)But I've found that the Epstein matter is prime breeding ground for hysteria and illogical thinking on all accounts, rivaled only by a certain unnamed political issue or two.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,527 posts)Sogo
(6,844 posts)He's been rather forthcoming on other things involving his brother....
SamuelTheThird
(434 posts)Marie Marie
(10,735 posts)which just further humiliates him. And that, to me, is a good thing.
eShirl
(19,946 posts)in fear of mockery
Marie Marie
(10,735 posts)SamuelTheThird
(434 posts)There are other highly incriminating things against trump in the emails
SamuelTheThird
(434 posts)If Mark Epstein is to be believed, he wasn't joking, but was referring to a different person...
pecosbob
(8,242 posts)RockRaven
(18,422 posts)that Bubba was the name of Maxwell's horse...
That isn't quite the defense they think it is.
frogstar0
(188 posts)Pretty early on we knew that the couch story was not real. But we still use it to make fun of Vance. I see no reason to not make fun of TACO and spread memes far and wide. We know both of these things are not true, or at least unknowable. But making fun of them ? Hell yes!
MineralMan
(150,335 posts)It's trivial and incorrect. I can think of at least 100 reasons not to support Vance. Truly, I would not care if the couch thing were true.
sop
(16,903 posts)Newspaper editor Maxwell Scott at the end of 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.'
LetMyPeopleVote
(172,762 posts)AZProgressive
(29,794 posts)That is the problem with mass document dumps whether that is anything from JFK, Saudi Cables, etc. There are tens of thousands of files with information that lacks context. You need a skilled investigative journalist to dig through each file fact check them and try to find the context for the text.
Most of it is pretty useless if you dig through it and try to figure it out on your own. With the Wikileaks dump of the Russia hacked DNC emails the right and others made up conspiracies out of very mundane files so that can be a problem.
However, when it comes to sociopaths there is nothing really that would surprise me. They don't think like regular people with empathy.
Jersey Devil
(10,667 posts)Bettie
(19,134 posts)men of my father's generation (Boomer) and mine (Gen X) who were called "Bubba" as nicknames.
Between "Bubba" and "Butch"...that covered half the older men I knew and this was in Wisconsin.