The files are from the epstein estate not epstein/trump estate

We have words, but no surrounding information about any of it.

As I said, those people lie constantly to each other and to everyone else.

And I believe Guiffre over Epstein. Despite the politically inconvenient aspect of it, she stated categorically and repeatedly (and under oath), that she never saw Trump at an Epstein property in a deposition for her defamation suit against Maxwell.

People should remember that this exchange was one month after a very well-publicized 2011 (UK) Mail on Sunday article dropped in which Guiffre said the following:

As I say she later testified all of that was either hearsay on her part, or inaccurate/taken out of context by the reporter who wrote the article.

No question Epstein was highly aware of this article, so that explains the timing of this particular email. I would imagine that he was also reading articles ABOUT that article, some of which turned and hyped what VG had actually said to fairly absurd lengths (click-bait stuff), esp. in regards to DJT. One of them he read may have said Guiffre explicitly said she spent time with Trump and Epstein together at Epstein's property, as that quote could be interpreted that way.

One should also consider the fact that Giuffre essentially lived at Epstein's estates, and it is therefore logical to suspect that jet-setters Epstein and Maxwell were not present when VG was at their property at all times she was. This could have led to Epstein reading what Guiffre was quoted as saying the way he did because he did not, in fact, KNOW who all Guiffre may have encountered at his properties when he was not actually there?

IOW that description of her spending time with Trump may have been his interpretation of Guiffre's own words (which had NOT been retracted within one month of it's publishing), rather than a factual assertion based on his own personal knowledge. This is why the surrounding context of this discussion is extremely important, but we don't seem to actually have that available (that I've seen).

And as far as documents, there's documentation all over the place. Epstein's estate. DoJ documents. State investigation documentation. Palm Beach County as well. And who knows who else. Plus anyone who made copies of said documentation. Illegal to do so? Probably, but tell Daniel Ellsberg that since this stuff is vastly more valuable and volatile than the Pentagon Papers.

are held by the Justice Department, among other depts., and have been reviewed by the Trump administration. So, there's that.

...because possessing / transmitting / downloading CSA images is illegal.

that I'm even cautious of cautionary notes on the DU!

Trump being taken down by a lie

Anything will do in my book.

if both chambers in congress vote to release the Epstein files, and since the main person involved in said file, even tho he's president, how can he veto it. I would believe he must recuse himself for potential conflict of interest.

The Orange Oligarch recuse? He doesn't know what the word means, and if he did, he wouldn't. He can do anything he wants. Just ask him.

But while I'm here, there is another way to look at the mountain of evidence - which could turn out to be correct - Steve Schmidt referred to this fellow Substack author today:

https://dbarkhuff.substack.com/p/we-deserve-to-know

He could veto, but the optics are beyond horrible and runs the risk of an override. Normally I'd say that won't happen, but given the number of Republican Congress critters who've signed the discharge, other Republicans now lining up in support, and notables like MTG going full rogue, anything is possible.

He could simply do nothing, and if both houses of Congress remain in session for 10 days after passage, the bill automatically becomes law without his signature. A rare event and an equally horrible outcome if he's heavily implicated in any documentation released. Given his antics, apparently he is or at least thinks he's heavily implicated.

If Mike Johnson ends the House session within those 10 days after passage, Trump doing nothing amounts to a pocket veto. Yet another horrible outcome for him.

This deal is splintering the whole magat movement. Donnie is damned if he does or doesn't by a trap of his own making. Trump trying to turn the Epstein mess into a political weapon against Dems, while being implicated himself, may very well turn out to be the biggest blunder in American political history. Had he disavowed and left the whole damn mess alone, he'd be in far better shape. Not off the hook, but with far more maneuvering room than he has now. But oh no. He just had to shoot his mouth off over and over again and embed it in what little minds magats actually have.

has gone to cover it up.

he's provided women and/or girls by an Epstein or a Putin just because he's so awesome...then of course he will oblige because he's a sociopath who thinks he's a deity.

I think this assumption is more reasonable than assuming he doesn't assault women and girls of any age. If MSM would only show interest in remembering and reporting, everyone would see that his life has been a fairly open book. Only willful ignorance leads to giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.