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Brenda

(1,890 posts)
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 06:38 PM Friday

Carl Sagan was right

February 9, 1990 – Carl Sagan vs climate complacency

Thirty five years ago, on this day, February 9th, 1990,Carl Sagan gave the keynote speech at the 5th “Emerging Issues Forum” at the University of North Carolina.

Now, there are policy makers who would like to respond as follows and you have perhaps seen this sort of opinion in the pages of, naturally the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. It’s the first place to expect a complaint about having to change anything.

‘It’s too uncertain’ they say. This is serious stuff. There are a few scientists with computer models and who can be sure that they know what they are talking about and you want us to turn everything upside down because some scientist say that things are going to get a few degrees warmer. It’s a few degrees warmer on the stage than it is in the audience. You don’t see any catastrophe up here do you?

I’d like to pose the following question: Imagine this kinda thinking back in the height of the Cold War. You know the United States – so, let me ask a question – How much money do you think the United States has spent since 1945 on the Cold War? Sometimes they ask this question then from the back of the audience comes in answer ‘billions and billions‘. A huge underestimate – billions and billions. The amount of money that the United States has spent on the Cold War since 1945 is approximately 10 trillion dollars. Trillion, that’s the big one with the ‘T’. What could you buy with 10 trillion dollars? The answer is: You could buy everything in the United States except the land. Everything. Every building, truck, bus, car, boat, plane, pencil, baby’s diaper. Everything in the United States except the land, that’s what we have spent on the Cold War.

So, now let me ask: How certain was it that the Russians were going to invade? Was it 100% certain? Guess not since they never invaded. What if it was only let say 10% certain? What would advocates of big military buildup have said? We must be prudent. It’s not enough to count on only the most likely circumstance. If the worst happens and it’s really extremely dangerous for us we have to prepare for that. Remote contingencies if there is serious enough have the prepared for. It’s classic military thinking – you prepare for the worst case.

And so now, I ask my friends who are comfortable with that argument, including the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, why doesn’t that same argument apply to Global Warming. You don’t think it’s 100% likely? Fine. You are entitled to think that. If it’s only a small probability of it happening since the consequences are so serious, don’t you have to make some serious investment to prevent it or mitigate it? I think there’s a double standard of argument working and I don’t think we should permit it.
https://allouryesterdays.info/2025/02/08/feb-9-1990-carl-sagan-on-military-spending-vs-climate-spending/
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Disaffected

(6,027 posts)
1. Sagan was right about most everything.
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 07:12 PM
Friday

Another analogy re global warming mitigation I like to think of is:

Would you take a ride in an aircraft that has a xx% chance of crashing? Even if xx is only 10%, I expect the answer would be a firm NO.
Then, should we be taking action on global warming?

erronis

(22,032 posts)
3. It was all about who can profit from the crisis. It still is. Big corporations and shareholders.
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 07:54 PM
Friday

If we could solve problems with simple solutions such as wearing sweaters (Jimmy Carter), or turning down thermostats then the daddy-big-bucks can't capitalize.

markodochartaigh

(4,666 posts)
4. If the US had taken the amount of money that we spent
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 08:11 PM
Friday

to fight off communism and spent that money to help the population of the US, we would have had such an incredible country that no one would have questioned for an instant that the system in the US was yielding the best results possible for everyone in the country.

Justice matters.

(9,135 posts)
7. And at the current pace China develops its nuclear arsenal...
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 08:56 PM
Friday

it is estimated that in ten years, they will have more nukes than both the US and Russia combined.

Blue Owl

(57,955 posts)
8. Carl was a prophet who based his predictions on solid science
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 12:32 AM
Saturday

If only more people heeded his warnings….

Now instead we have this stupid idiocracy where someone like Donald tRump is the goddamned President….

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