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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCarl Sagan was right
Thirty five years ago, on this day, February 9th, 1990,Carl Sagan gave the keynote speech at the 5th Emerging Issues Forum at the University of North Carolina.
Now, there are policy makers who would like to respond as follows and you have perhaps seen this sort of opinion in the pages of, naturally the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Its the first place to expect a complaint about having to change anything.
Its too uncertain they say. This is serious stuff. There are a few scientists with computer models and who can be sure that they know what they are talking about and you want us to turn everything upside down because some scientist say that things are going to get a few degrees warmer. Its a few degrees warmer on the stage than it is in the audience. You dont see any catastrophe up here do you?
Id like to pose the following question: Imagine this kinda thinking back in the height of the Cold War. You know the United States so, let me ask a question How much money do you think the United States has spent since 1945 on the Cold War? Sometimes they ask this question then from the back of the audience comes in answer billions and billions. A huge underestimate billions and billions. The amount of money that the United States has spent on the Cold War since 1945 is approximately 10 trillion dollars. Trillion, thats the big one with the T. What could you buy with 10 trillion dollars? The answer is: You could buy everything in the United States except the land. Everything. Every building, truck, bus, car, boat, plane, pencil, babys diaper. Everything in the United States except the land, thats what we have spent on the Cold War.
So, now let me ask: How certain was it that the Russians were going to invade? Was it 100% certain? Guess not since they never invaded. What if it was only let say 10% certain? What would advocates of big military buildup have said? We must be prudent. Its not enough to count on only the most likely circumstance. If the worst happens and its really extremely dangerous for us we have to prepare for that. Remote contingencies if there is serious enough have the prepared for. Its classic military thinking you prepare for the worst case.
And so now, I ask my friends who are comfortable with that argument, including the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, why doesnt that same argument apply to Global Warming. You dont think its 100% likely? Fine. You are entitled to think that. If its only a small probability of it happening since the consequences are so serious, dont you have to make some serious investment to prevent it or mitigate it? I think theres a double standard of argument working and I dont think we should permit it.
https://allouryesterdays.info/2025/02/08/feb-9-1990-carl-sagan-on-military-spending-vs-climate-spending/
Disaffected
(6,027 posts)Another analogy re global warming mitigation I like to think of is:
Would you take a ride in an aircraft that has a xx% chance of crashing? Even if xx is only 10%, I expect the answer would be a firm NO.
Then, should we be taking action on global warming?
Uncle Joe
(63,743 posts)Thanks for the thread Brenda
erronis
(22,032 posts)If we could solve problems with simple solutions such as wearing sweaters (Jimmy Carter), or turning down thermostats then the daddy-big-bucks can't capitalize.
markodochartaigh
(4,666 posts)to fight off communism and spent that money to help the population of the US, we would have had such an incredible country that no one would have questioned for an instant that the system in the US was yielding the best results possible for everyone in the country.
BootinUp
(50,645 posts)If I am not mistaken. And it is excellent.
Mosby
(19,176 posts)59% of electricity in China uses coal. The EU? 12%
Justice matters.
(9,135 posts)it is estimated that in ten years, they will have more nukes than both the US and Russia combined.
Blue Owl
(57,955 posts)If only more people heeded his warnings
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Now instead we have this stupid idiocracy where someone like Donald tRump is the goddamned President
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