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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

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Fri Nov 14, 2025, 02:21 PM Friday

Top officials present Cadet Bonespurs with military options for Venezuela in coming days

Senior military officials on Wednesday presented President Trump with updated options for potential operations in Venezuela, including strikes on land, according to multiple sources familiar with the meetings at the White House.

Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan Caine and other senior officials briefed the president on military options for the coming days, the sources said.

No final decision has been made, however, two of the sources told CBS News.

White House spokespeople did not immediately comment. A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/top-officials-present-trump-military-164459247.html

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Top officials present Cadet Bonespurs with military options for Venezuela in coming days (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Friday OP
He would start a war and kill hundreds of thousands to distract from Epstein. Doodley Friday #1
Well, the ICC has already declared it a war crime. ananda Friday #2
I think he'd do that just for fun. MorbidButterflyTat Friday #4
Trump Wants to Start a War TedB Talks Politics Friday #3
welcome to DU RussBLib Friday #6
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Welcome to DU, and thanks for weighing in! Rhiannon12866 Saturday #8
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #9
Maddowblog-New Justice Dept. memo complicates the administration's controversial boat strikes policy LetMyPeopleVote Friday #5
3. Trump Wants to Start a War
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 02:38 PM
Friday

Trump Wants to Start a War

On September 2, 2025, the U.S. launched its first shelling against a Venezuelan vessel, which Trump claims was operated by the Tren de Aragua drug cartel. However, there is no clear evidence that the boat was carrying drugs. The action was framed as a drug interdiction effort; critics argued that Trump also used the announcement to divert attention from other political issues, such as SNAP benefits and healthcare. In early September 2025, the Trump administration initiated a military campaign targeting suspected drug-smuggling vessels. On September 2, the U.S. carried out the first strike against a vessel off the coast of Venezuela, killing 11 people (Just Security; WLRN). A second reported strike occurred on September 15, killing three people aboard what officials described as a narcotics-trafficking vessel in international waters (Just Security). Four days later, on September 19, a third strike killed another three individuals (Just Security). The campaign continued into October, with a sixth strike on October 16 in the Caribbean Sea near Venezuela that killed two people and left two survivors (Just Security). The operation then expanded to the Eastern Pacific on October 21–22, with two separate strikes killing a total of five people (Just Security). On October 27, four vessels in the Eastern Pacific were struck, killing 14 people and leaving one survivor, followed by another strike on October 29 that killed four more (Just Security). By November, the campaign showed no signs of slowing; a strike on November 1 in the Caribbean killed at least three individuals, and another on November 4 in the Eastern Pacific killed two others (Just Security). By early November 2025, reports indicated roughly 17 known strikes and at least 69 people killed (WLRN).
The operations primarily occurred in the Caribbean Sea and the Eastern Pacific Ocean, especially near Venezuela and the northeastern coast of South America (WLRN). The U.S. government claimed that the targeted vessels were operated by groups labeled as “Designated Terrorist Organizations (DTOs)” or “narcoterrorists,” including the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua and the Colombian guerrilla group National Liberation Army—though publicly available evidence remains limited (Just Security). The legal basis for the campaign has been widely debated, as the administration has described the strikes as part of an ongoing “armed conflict” against these groups, raising questions about congressional approval, compliance with international law, and due process protections (WLRN). There is no concrete evidence of any drug activity, and none of those killed have been identified.
Trump has also indicated he wants to deploy troops to Venezuela to fight the drug trade. However, there is a small chance of a limited ground invasion, like raids, special forces missions, and strikes inside Venezuela.
Other presidents have used the same technique. See the following:

President Year Action Alleged Domestic Distraction
Bill Clinton 1998 Missile strikes on Sudan & Afghanistan Lewinsky scandal
Ronald Reagan 1983 Grenada invasion Beirut bombing fallout
George H. W. Bush 1989 Panama invasion Domestic criticism
George W. Bush 2003 Iraq War Political consolidation post-9/11
James Polk 1846 Mexican-American War Territorial ambitions

William McKinley 1898 Spanish-American War Economic/political unity

The U.S. government seems, at least on paper, to be systematically assembling the political, economic, and strategic parts needed for a possible regime change in Venezuela. Policy statements, diplomatic efforts, and resource allocations indicate a coordinated effort, even if not officially recognized, pointing toward plans to reshape the country’s leadership and influence in the region.

Other reasons Trump may want to strike at the drug cartels:
1. Political Distraction: Highlighting the threat of drug cartels can divert public focus from domestic issues or controversies, supporting a narrative of strong leadership.
2. Rallying the base: A firm stance on drug cartels appeals to specific voter groups, strengthening Trump's image as a strong leader dedicated to national security.
3. Legacy Building: Taking strong action against drug cartels helps President Trump present himself as a leader who has taken decisive steps to defend American communities, thereby shaping his political legacy.
4. Geopolitical Strategy: The emphasis on Venezuela, including covert actions and military deployments, matches broader geopolitical goals, such as pressuring the Maduro regime and shaping regional dynamics.
5. Economic leverage: Sanctions and military actions serve as tools to influence economic and political outcomes in Latin American countries, aligning with broader U.S. foreign policy goals.
These are difficult times for the United States and the world, characterized by division and uncertainty about what may come next. As a nation, we must stand up politically to ensure that everyone, regardless of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, or age, is protected.

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5. Maddowblog-New Justice Dept. memo complicates the administration's controversial boat strikes policy
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 03:57 PM
Friday

The administration keeps insisting that its military strikes against civilian boats in international waters are legal. There's reason for skepticism.

New Justice Dept. memo complicates the administration’s controversial boat strikes policy www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Philly Joe (@joehick58.bsky.social) 2025-11-14T19:57:00.305Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/new-justice-dept-memo-complicates-administrations-controversial-boat-s-rcna243984

It’s reached the point that some U.S. allies, including officials in the United Kingdom, have curtailed intelligence sharing with the
Trump administration, reportedly because they don’t want to be complicit in the extrajudicial slayings of civilians.

As for the U.S. military personnel responsible for carrying out these deadly strikes, The Washington Post reported last month that “some” junior officers have been looking for legal assurances “before taking part in strikes,” fearing personal legal liability. It’s against this backdrop that The New York Times reported:

A secret Justice Department memo blessing President Trump’s boat strikes as lawful hangs on the idea that the United States and its allies are legally in a state of armed conflict with drug cartels, a premise that derives heavily from assertions that the White House itself has put forward, according to people who have read it. ... In reaching that conclusion, the memo contradicts a broad range of critics, who have rejected the idea that there is any armed conflict and have accused Mr. Trump of illegally ordering the military to commit murders.


.....It dovetailed with a related Washington Post report, which said that the DOJ memo concluded that “personnel taking part in military strikes ... would not be exposed to future prosecution.”.....

What’s more, the memo’s conclusion remains a tough sell. After the White House pitched a related line to Congress in early October, claiming that Trump had “determined” the U.S. is in “armed conflict,” Geoffrey Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, argued that drug cartels are not engaged in “hostilities” — which would mean the White House was crossing a legal line.

“This is not stretching the envelope,” Corn told the New York Times. “This is shredding it. This is tearing it apart.”

Nevertheless, there’s little to suggest the administration intends to curtail its deadly campaign. On the contrary, Hegseth on Thursday announced something called “Operation Southern Spear,” which he said will target “narco-terrorists” and shield “our homeland from the drugs that are killing our people.”

Hegseth fired all of the JAG heads when he took office so that he could find idiots who greenlight matters that were clearly illegal. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220067494

In an op-ed for The Washington Post, Sen. Jack Reed, the ranking member on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a former Army paratrooper, helped explain why:

Firing the military’s most senior legal advisers is an unprecedented and explicit move to install officers who will yield to the president’s interpretation of the law, with the expectation they will be little more than yes men on the most consequential questions of military law.

Hegseth and trump want to convert the military into a force loyal only to trump. It sounds like trump and Hegseth plan to commit acts that a real JAG would block as being an illegal order or unconstitutional

That prediction has become true.
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