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I cannot believe we are having a conversation about a political party, that calls itself "Christian", that is actively trying to reshape the narrative to protect their Party leader from accusations of raping children.
Let's be unequivocally clear and use unambiguous language. Trump has been actively accused of raping children.
We cannot allow the Megan Kelly's of the Republican Party get away with hair splitting terminology.
Pedophiles rape children.
As a survivor, I was raped multiple times as a child by two completely different people, and I will NOT allow these monsters to rationalize away the rape of children.
We must publicly shame any attempt to justify these actions.
These brave souls that have come forward are just the tip of the iceberg.
I watched a video yesterday of a gentleman that was a survivor of sex traffickers and rape by associates/friends of Mango Mussolini and he named names and places and events. He talked about the abuse of both men and young boys.
I'm sure that part of the story is just unfolding and will become a much bigger deal soon.
As a survivor I say "NO" . No more. These assholes cannot be allowed to belittle these poor people and how they were treated.
Poor Virginia is no longer with us because of these people. Please do not let anyone in your life or your politicians get away with trying to pretend this was anything other than what it was: raping and abusing children.
Johnny2X2X
(23,608 posts)We're not far from Republicans asking, "But how were the children dressed?" "Did they maybe not dress their age?" "What was their sexual history?" "they were asking for it..."
MarineCombatEngineer
(16,922 posts)MIButterfly
(1,680 posts)You are exactly right. NO MORE! No more excuses. No more covering up. No more parsing words to make it seem not as bad as it is. No more of any of it. Time to call it what it is and not mince words or split hairs.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Expose every damn one of them and let the chips fall where they may. And shame on anyone who can explain any part of this away.
MustLoveBeagles
(13,850 posts)MontanaMama
(24,589 posts)We cannot allow the soft pedaling of pedophilia and violence. Megyn Kellys remarks are horrific and she was floating the narrative that crimes against children are somehow okay IF certain criteria are met as in the age of the victim. There will be more of this, we can be sure. I would bet that a lot MAGAts will sign onto this.
I 100% believe boys were raped and abused in this sex trafficking ring. Peter Thiel was said to be on the island more than once. There were more, there had to be.
I was not aware of the abuse you sustained as a child, angrychair. There are no words other than I am sorry. No one should ever have their childhood innocence stolen. Thank you for bravely speaking as a victim and for these and all victims.
W_HAMILTON
(9,896 posts)ECL213
(424 posts)mgardener
(2,229 posts)How many others has he paid off ?
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PikaBlue
(390 posts)They were also victims of sex TRAFFICKING; the latter of which is a crime regardless of the age of the victim.
AllyCat
(18,373 posts)You are absolutely right about this. I watched a guy today on a podcast with a caller asking why it was wrong to rape children? The host was speechless for nearly 2 minutes while the likely-MAGAt caller demanded an answer.
angrychair
(11,507 posts)Very disturbing. It was that plus the Kelly thing and seeing the Instagram video of that other gentleman I mentioned in my OP that made me pissed off
AllyCat
(18,373 posts)She should not have a following.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,463 posts)BurnDoubt
(1,253 posts)Alpha Male Entitlement needs to be exposed and expunged.
"Big Me, Little You" isn't a civilizing using concept, but the Law Of The Jungle.
CONSENT IS NOT A "WOKE CONCEPT.
" Fifteen'll Getcha Twenty". It's The Law.
TheBlackAdder
(29,851 posts)KS Toronado
(22,127 posts)
Mr.Bee
(1,468 posts)They are going to stand behind him even
if he were to gut a child in front of them!
zorbasd
(507 posts)and disgusting crime of pedophilia a woke morality, and therefore should not be viewed any more with such a disgusting form of human depravity.
BlueKentuckyGirl
(510 posts)I have seen no evidence that Trump actually raped children. He was probably aware that others did, though. Trump is evil and disgusting but unless something comes forward that in fact shows that he raped children, I believe we should stick to what we know to be true. It is bad enough without adding other crimes of which we have no credible evidence.
Aviation Pro
(15,074 posts)Chomo raped children.
wiggs
(8,568 posts)that he did....but we have decades of observing his behavior and reasonable people can say it's entirely possible. Maybe even likely. That's bad enough and we can wait for more information but honestly he is the type of person who can do anything...and it appears to me the more suffering he causes the better his disordered brain likes it.
IMHO the pundits on MSM who ignore all the past allegations, convictions, confessions, associations in order to make the point that the emails don't show anything damning are much more bothersome and irresponsible than the ones who connect the dots and say...'come on, this guy is totally capable of heinous things like this and we should probably go ahead and assume TSF is quite guilty of horrible acts with women/ladies/girls...with or without Epstein.'
Danascot
(5,141 posts)There are things in there that are worse than child rape.
angrychair
(11,507 posts)That was 13 when he and Epstein raped her. She even tried to sue him but for a woman to make a rape allegation is hard enough but to have to face off with one of the most powerful and well connected people on Earth, is a completely different situation.
soldierant
(9,137 posts)who was 13 at the time the incident occurred.
ms.pamela
(68 posts)One lady was pressing charging against him in California for child rape shortly before his first election into office. She dropped the charges as her family was being threatened probably by the Russia Mob. This woman was only 12 or 13 at the time, a virgin, and appeared remarkably like trump's daughter, blonde hair and blue eyes. The understanding was that Epstein was furious with trump as he wanted first dibs on the girl. An interview of her has appeared many times on BlueSky, her story is terrible, and I understand there are witness to him raping two other underaged girls. This made the news. Believe Musk when he says he a has seen things about this kind of activity in the files.
BlueKentuckyGirl
(510 posts)Stargazer99
(3,387 posts)and your boy Trump is old enough to keep it zipped up-stop making excuses for him
BlueKentuckyGirl
(510 posts)I'm probably the last person who would make excuses for that A-hole. And NOT my boy.
Trueblue Texan
(4,016 posts)It was part of the Katie Johnson case, which has since been withdrawn due to threats to the victims family.
sop
(16,905 posts)
IbogaProject
(5,432 posts)What a moving the goalposts. High School kids have gone to prison for hooking up with a classmate and the GOP is now suggesting that Teen Girls aren't children. The law forbids that in most if not all states. And Federal law says clearly it is a crime to cross states lines to try or have sex with anyone under 18 years old.
IronLionZion
(50,366 posts)That's a big part of evading legal consequences for so long.
IbogaProject
(5,432 posts)Crossing state lines happened anytime he sent a girl from one state to anywhere else for selling them or even "consentual, relations. Only exception is for a legally wedded spouse.
Seinan Sensei
(1,263 posts)I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue
and shoot somebody molest a child
and I wouldnt lose any voters, OK?
DSandra
(1,686 posts)Someone who hated corruption so much that he overturned merchant tables inside of the Jerusalem Temple courts for making the temple a den of robbers.
Efilroft Sul
(4,239 posts)they must introduce the coverage with the opening guitar riff from Jethro Tull's "Aqualung."
HeartsCanHope
(1,418 posts)Thank you for having the courage to speak out. We all must say "no more!" and go after anyone that harms children or even adults in this way. Name and shame, then prosecute!
MW67
(74 posts)Otherwise known as the G O P
Red Mountain
(2,215 posts)how they react to it is on them.
Are they the pedo party? Not yet but they seem to be warming to the idea.
BidenRocks
(2,528 posts)Our first obstructer is Andrew with a special appearance from Ghislaine.
IronLionZion
(50,366 posts)Tons of GOP officials and operatives have been arrested over the years for abusing children and/or child porn. It's far too many to be a coincidence. Too many bad apples means there's something wrong with the whole orchard.
fujiyamasan
(986 posts)I remember a scandal just before the 2006 midterms, Wasnt it mark foley? I think he was a republican rep that molested a Paige. Then there was that other sick fuck Dennis Hastert and he was their speaker at one point!
And they constantly keep trying to cover it all up. Nothing has changed with the party, except to the level of which they have power. It just took time until they got a pedo for the presidency.
Trueblue Texan
(4,016 posts)I believe that once it comes out that young boys were also raped, that WILL be the breaking point for this scandal. Horrible to admit, our society is accustomed to the abuse of females. When the truth comes out about the males, none of their rationalizations will hold any longer.