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Fri Nov 14, 2025, 12:38 PM Nov 14

MaddowBlog-Why Trump's talk about sending out tariff rebate checks makes so little sense

As the president pushes “dividend” checks from tariffs, there’s an accounting maxim he still doesn’t understand: “You can’t spend the same dollar twice.”

Why Trump’s talk about sending out tariff rebate checks makes so little sense www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

@jimrissmiller.bsky.social 2025-11-11T20:09:58.056Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-talk-sending-tariff-rebate-checks-makes-little-sense-rcna243292

As this week got underway, Donald Trump held an event in the Oval Office ostensibly about the swearing in of an ambassador, although the president took the opportunity to emphasize one of his priorities.

Trump: "We're gonna issue a dividend to our middle income people and lower income people of about ,000, and we're gonna use the remaining tariffs to lower our debt."

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-11-10T20:58:47.036Z


....A day earlier, by way of his social media platform, Trump touted his idea of rebate checks worth “at least” $2,000 per person, adding that they’ll be “paid to everyone” except high-income earners. As part of the pitch, the president added that he also intends to use the same tariff revenue to “begin paying down our ENORMOUS DEBT, $37 Trillion.” (Not to be picky, but the national debt recently topped $38 trillion.)....

But putting that aside, the fact that Trump vowed to use tariff revenue simultaneously for “dividend” checks and for debt reduction underscores a problem he doesn’t seem to understand. There’s an old accounting maxim, “You can’t spend the same dollar twice,” and it’s time for the president to familiarize himself with the idea.

As regular readers know, Trump’s tariffs are generating revenue. He’s wildly exaggerated how much revenue, pointing to “trillions” of dollars, despite the reality of far more modest sums, but the money does exist. That’s not exactly surprising: Tariffs are, for all intents and purposes, taxes — and taxes generate revenue......

In late September, during his radical remarks to U.S. generals and admirals, Trump said, “We’ve taken in trillions of dollars. We’re rich again.” If he were right and the U.S. had actually taken in trillions of dollars since he began implementing his tariff scheme, we might have a very different kind of conversation. But in reality, tariff revenue was roughly $195 billion in the fiscal year that ended in late September. (That’s “billion” with a b, not “trillion” with a t.)

And while $195 billion might sound like an enormous amount of money, in the context of federal expenditures, that’s not even close to being enough to pay for all of the things the president has talked about.

In late July, Trump boasted online, “our Country is doing very well and can afford just about anything.” It’d be nice if that were true.
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MaddowBlog-Why Trump's talk about sending out tariff rebate checks makes so little sense (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Nov 14 OP
Either way, it is too little too late. All the indications are, that we are heading into a recession. everyonematters Nov 14 #1
If Trump loses his tariff case now before the Supreme Court, all the tariffs paid will have to be refunded. sop Nov 14 #2

everyonematters

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1. Either way, it is too little too late. All the indications are, that we are heading into a recession.
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 12:45 PM
Nov 14

In most cases, the sitting president is not really responsible for a recession. In this case, he did it all on his own.

sop

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2. If Trump loses his tariff case now before the Supreme Court, all the tariffs paid will have to be refunded.
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 12:52 PM
Nov 14

(The Hill) "'What happens if the Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s tariffs?"

"What would await the administration, in the words of Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, is 'a mess.' "

"The Trump administration has acknowledged that a Supreme Court loss would mean refunds of the billions in tariff revenue already collected."

"It convinced lower courts to pause their rulings invalidating the tariffs in part because of concerns the refunds could be issued, only for the Supreme Court to potentially declare the tariffs legal and make it difficult to claw back the cash."

"Refunds for the group of small businesses challenging Trump’s tariffs at the high court would be the most straightforward; the administration already agreed to pay them back if it loses."

"As for the others, Neal Katyal, who represented the businesses at the argument, told Barrett 'it’s a very complicated thing' that involves formal protests and administrative procedures."

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5595910-trump-tariffs-supreme-court/

Trump will have a huge mess on his hands if he has to refund all that money.

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