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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Google classing online encyclopedias as "AI"?
I have noticed, over the past couple of weeks, that when I do general searches in Google, Wikipedia articles are coming up far less frequently than they used to. And this seems to be caused by the "-ai" I have added to be appended automatically to the search from my browser box, to stop Google wasting energy with its unreliable AI results. This seems confirmed by explicit searches from Google's own page.
To take an example: searching for 'algernon sidney -ai' (you don't type the quote marks in; he's a slightly known 17th century English figure) returns sites in the order:
oll.libertyfund.org
quod.lib.umich.edu
www.historytoday.com
www.freespeechhistory.com
radicalteatowel.co.uk
thehistorywoman.com
www.npg.org.uk
...
The first wiki page I get on him is en.wikiquote.org; the first Wikipedia article is the Welsh one!
But if I just search 'algernon sidney' I get
en.wikipedia.org
www.britannica.com
radicalteatowel.co.uk
oll.libertyfund.org
www.historytoday.com
www.azquotes.com
...
and thinking about it, Enc. Britannica results have also been turning up far less in my experience - even when I've put "britannica" in the search terms, it doesn't seem to find a decent article as often as it used to - when the '-ai' is appended. It's not just this one search, of course, but this is the one I've directly compared the results lists for. Any similar experiences, or ones that show the opposite, gratefully received.
(And no, DuckDuckGo still does not return the quality of results that Google does, so I'm not just going to switch to that)
Is this malice? A mistake? I can find that Wikipedia: AI-Generated Summaries Are Hurting Our Traffic, but that's not quite the same thing.
(Can't think if there's any better DU group to discuss this in - I'll move it if people think it should be).
bucolic_frolic
(53,353 posts)I find the initial Google AI search not very in depth, and the dive deeper mode not a whole lot better. Much prefer perplexity, Claude, Chatgpt in that order. DuckDuckGo is ok, Venice is only worth general inquiries. Meta.ai I don't do much. I'm wary of these big tech companies archiving my queries which are sort of like my thoughts. GPT you can delete the chat, DDGo and Venice don't archive the chat or so I read. Perplexity gives a very short chat window (block of time or # of queries).
Is Goo relying on encyclopedias? It just spits facts, and incidentally denies anything I ask it. Not much thinking going on there imho.
muriel_volestrangler
(105,256 posts)(a) I still don't trust any AI to get things right
(b) that makes any AI query pointless for me, and I don't want it wasting electricity (ie producing carbon dioxide, directly or indirectly) for something pointless.
The thing is that you would expect encyclopedia entries to be highly referenced, and thus high on the results list from a search. And it's ridiculous for Welsh language results to appear before English ones - that really looks like Google is trying to exclude, or move far down, results from the main English Wikipedia pages (I've also notice the Simple English Wikipedia results coming before the main English ones).
Ursus Rex
(467 posts)... and then one of the specialized google sites to do a deeper dive. I mainly would use AI for extremely esoteric tech questions (e.g., db indexing errors/problems), but I prefer not to engage with it at all unless there is nothing else left that I can find on my own. I've found that in case like I mentioned above, there's not a large dataset the AI can plunder/examine for answers, and in trying, it will at best produce nonsense or non-useful results.