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drray23

(8,520 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:18 PM Nov 13

What I find surprising and frankly encouraging is that the white house or the GOP in general

is not saying all the Epstein emails coming out are fake news or manufactured. They are trying to argue it does not matter or justify it one way or another but not outright deny it. The wheels of justice are turning slowly, but eventually they will catch up and grind Trump along with all those involved.

Remember that the Supreme Court gave Trump immunity to acts committed in an official capacity while in office, not anything outside of that, and certainly not raping young girls.

Whether or not there is a statute of limitations, I do not know. But there are so many crimes here, sex crimes, probably abuse, extortion, blackmailing, human trafficking, financial crimes, etc, that some are bound to stick.


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What I find surprising and frankly encouraging is that the white house or the GOP in general (Original Post) drray23 Nov 13 OP
The best case scenario is that this marks the end of Trump's power newdeal2 Nov 13 #1
I think that a lot of people suspect two things: usonian Nov 13 #2
Per Thomas Massie's list vapor2 Nov 13 #3
It is ongoing obstruction of justice to supress the information IbogaProject Nov 13 #4
Agreed. This is unusual. hamsterjill Nov 13 #5
My mind keeps going back slightlv Nov 14 #6
It's a lot right now. hamsterjill Nov 14 #7
And that's how you know it's bad, real bad. marble falls Nov 14 #8

newdeal2

(4,521 posts)
1. The best case scenario is that this marks the end of Trump's power
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:21 PM
Nov 13

And the beginning of the decline for MAGA.

I’ve given up on Trump ever seeing the inside of a prison cell. It’s a fantasy at this point no matter how bad things get.

usonian

(22,613 posts)
2. I think that a lot of people suspect two things:
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:27 PM
Nov 13

1. That some incredibly powerful people are implicated (1) and

2. There is SO MUCH involved in this global operation that it can't possibly remain hidden. Just the side-effects are enormous. The Andrew formerly known as Prince has fallen, and from a posthumously-published book.

Despite all the efforts of the DOJ (Defenders of Jeffrey) to conceal it.

(1) Who's the worst non-elected official in government for many years? Yes, I am sure he's involved.

hamsterjill

(16,856 posts)
5. Agreed. This is unusual.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:32 PM
Nov 13

I've been wondering what was going to drop, etc. because I don't think King Charles all of a sudden took everything away from Andrew without the knowledge that something was coming down.

I just wonder if there is more coming now, and the Republicans have a hint of this at least enough to make them keep quiet until they see what all is released, who can corroborate timelines, information, etc.

slightlv

(7,086 posts)
6. My mind keeps going back
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 12:12 AM
Nov 14

to thay congressional meeting where so many came out white faced... like Feinstein. Was the extent of this told to them... with files and images? We all assumed it was just the Russian connection. But what if it were more than this, and even those democratic reps present kept that knowledge from us. So many dots to connect....

hamsterjill

(16,856 posts)
7. It's a lot right now.
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 12:18 AM
Nov 14

I remember the meeting you reference, and it may very well be what you mention here. They may have seen much more than just what was disclosed on the Steele dossier, etc.

I find it incredulous that more wasn't somehow "leaked" to the press if that's the case. I lived through the "Deep Throat" era, and so I believe it can be done. I think there is a lot of fear involved with this and that makes me believe the people involved are way, way up on the power totem pole. Really kind of frightening.

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