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SocialDemocrat61

(6,471 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 06:46 PM Thursday

At the same time the NY Times...


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At the same time the NY Times was hyping Hillary Clinton's emails, it had a reporter with emails from Jeffrey Epstein that were highly damaging to Trump.

The more NYT apologists try to minimize this the clearer it becomes that they don't understand why much of the public doesn't trust legacy media.
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At the same time the NY Times... (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 Thursday OP
TY for Marc Elias.. Cha Thursday #1
Totally and Absolutely! calimary Saturday #29
The NYT can roast in hell for all I care Blue Owl Thursday #2
Did they ever release what they had? KS Toronado Thursday #3
I believe that is a NO NotHardly Thursday #4
Tonkin Be Leave On Thursday #5
Sounds like the NYTimes is just another "wholly-owned subsidiary". calimary Thursday #6
They're Trying To Avoid... GB_RN Thursday #7
Seems, the NY Times gave an illegal campaign contribution Farmer-Rick Friday #13
The BBC didn't fold. muriel_volestrangler Sunday #33
I Didn't Mean Fold Like CBS... GB_RN 8 hrs ago #34
The NYT is one of the very worst papers out there jfz9580m Thursday #8
It's sounds like just one, huge, illegal Farmer-Rick Friday #14
Yeah it should jfz9580m Saturday #21
MSM is corrupted. Joinfortmill Thursday #9
Is this what is being referred to? It doesn't amount.... reACTIONary Friday #10
The more NYT apologists try to minimize this ... SocialDemocrat61 Friday #11
Much of the public doesn't trust legacy media.... reACTIONary Friday #12
you don't know who Marc Elias is??? LymphocyteLover Saturday #22
Nope never heard of him..... reACTIONary Saturday #24
there was a lot more than that, including one where the notorious pedophile said TRUMP WAS EVIL BEYOND BELIEF LymphocyteLover Friday #19
Here is the exchange with the reporter, as reported by the Daily Beast.... reACTIONary Friday #20
No one is saying that in itself is something that needed to be reported or rushed into print LymphocyteLover Saturday #23
Actually, that seems to be the point the OP was making ..... reACTIONary Saturday #25
Sure, but I was referring to the specific email I quoted, not the more general issue of what sort of LymphocyteLover Saturday #26
OK. So to the point about cozying up .... reACTIONary Saturday #28
I'm not so concerned about what that reporter wrote about Epstein as what he wrote about Trump LymphocyteLover Sunday #30
I'm glad you looked into it. The article.... reACTIONary Sunday #31
The point about Landon and Epstein is that in 2016, we knew who Epstein was -- a major pedo rapist-- LymphocyteLover Sunday #32
F the NYT. Gimpyknee Friday #15
I'm from the "Show Me" state. I've always believed the NYT was overrated. LT Barclay Friday #16
The Gray Lady sucks PJMcK Friday #17
The FUCKING NYT wanted trump to win, full stop LymphocyteLover Friday #18
The M$M is complicit !!! One of the reasons we have PedoKKKon today uponit7771 Saturday #27

GB_RN

(3,469 posts)
7. They're Trying To Avoid...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:10 PM
Thursday

A trillion, billion dollar lawsuit from Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent. I mean, hell, Caligula merely threatened the BBC with a billion dollar action, and it folded faster than a cheap suit. And he got what, $15 million from Paramount/CBS over his bogus claim of the Harris interview being an illegal campaign contribution.

This grotesque, corrupt, assclown of a fascist needs to…go.

Farmer-Rick

(12,295 posts)
13. Seems, the NY Times gave an illegal campaign contribution
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 09:28 AM
Friday

Too. Funny, that no one has brought a lawsuit against them for all the propaganda, surpressed news about pedo Trump and all the support they gave him for free to get him elected.

Did pedo Trump even report it?

muriel_volestrangler

(105,224 posts)
33. The BBC didn't fold.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 03:11 PM
Sunday

They apologised (first to viewers); then they apologised to Trump (which I believe was after your post), but they said they wouldn't pay anything. And Trump said he'll sue for between $1bn and $5bn. Which is where it still stands.

(Apologising is fine; the edit was misleading. But no one noticed it at the time, because everyone knew Trump wanted the riot.)

GB_RN

(3,469 posts)
34. I Didn't Mean Fold Like CBS...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:43 AM
8 hrs ago

They folded in that they apologized to his ass, when they should have said, “Bring it on.”
At that point, he’d have likely turned TACO. No way could a case stand up at discovery. And he’d be open to all KINDS of problems at that point.

jfz9580m

(16,142 posts)
8. The NYT is one of the very worst papers out there
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:10 PM
Thursday

Except for Paul Krugman, they have pretty much always sucked. And Kristof is ..eh..he is a bit douchey but that aside not bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_controversies

Chomsky nailed them:

In their book Manufacturing Consent (1988), Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky analyze major U.S. media outlets, with an emphasis on The Times. They believe that a bias exists which is neither liberal nor conservative in nature, but aligned towards the interests of corporations, which own most of these media outlets and also provide the majority of their advertising revenue. The authors explain that this bias functions in all sorts of ways:[91]

"by selection of topics, by distribution of concerns, by emphasis and framing of issues, by filtering of information, by bounding of debate within certain limits. They determine, they select, they shape, they control, they restrict — in order to serve the interests of dominant, elite groups in the society."[92]

Chomsky and Herman also touch on the importance of this perceived bias in The Times:
"history is what appears in The New York Times archives; the place where people will go to find out what happened is The New York Times. Therefore it's extremely important if history is going to be shaped in an appropriate way, that certain things appear, certain things not appear, certain questions be asked, other questions be ignored, and that issues be framed in a particular fashion."[92]


It’s also why like The Atlantic they shaped the popular and disastrous for earth worldview that any limits to growth are imaginary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

They are Cornucopian fantasists and douchey assholes as well. They also peddle Reefer Madness and promote sleazy anti-psychiatry influencers like Laura Delano.

That’s the level of their sleazy commitment to crassness and conservatism. They will on the one hand peddle Reefer Madness from the worst type of establishment friendly shrinks like the douchebags you would find at Stanford Psychiatry (Keith Humphreys, Smita Das, Nina Vasan, that Woebot woman)- it should not be acceptable to be in bed with data mining and defense contracting giants like Google, Palantir etc and also peddle narcotics war propaganda and coercive psychiatry. Like that’s a conflict of interest right there. On the other hand, they will also promote sleazy anti-psychiatry influencers like Laura Delano. They are a disgrace and it’s not surprising that they underplayed Hitler.

They are to journalism what Stanford psychiatry is to psychiatry. A few legit elites like Steve Chu aside, Stanford itself is pretty douchey overall. They are -like Gates, the NYT, The Atlantic etc, this stale stagnant hoary pseudo elite conservatives who are misrepresented as the “liberal” elite or even more laughably “radical left” by MAGA and MAHA types. Krugman was the last legit liberal they had.

Farmer-Rick

(12,295 posts)
14. It's sounds like just one, huge, illegal
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 09:33 AM
Friday

Campaign contribution to ever Republicon, MAGAt and pedo Trump humper.

Seems it should be monitized and reported so liberals know what we are up against.

jfz9580m

(16,142 posts)
21. Yeah it should
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 06:24 AM
Saturday

That is something that I can see agreeing with. Anything that gets these things shut down.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
10. Is this what is being referred to? It doesn't amount....
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 07:35 AM
Friday

.... to much.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/epstein-offered-reporter-photos-donald-girls-bikinis-kitchen/story?id=127473941
Epstein offered reporter photos of 'donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen': Email

The comments came in an exchange with a New York Times reporter.

Epstein then replied to Thomas in a series of emails over the next two hours -- in his typical error-ridden style -- first suggesting that Thomas look into Trump's finances before pivoting to more personal subjects.

In one email, Epstein writes: "would you like photso [sic] of donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen." Thomas replied, "Yes!!"

It's unclear whether Epstein possessed such photos or if he ever sent the reporter any photos.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,471 posts)
11. The more NYT apologists try to minimize this ...
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 07:52 AM
Friday
The more NYT apologists try to minimize this the clearer it becomes that they don't understand why much of the public doesn't trust legacy media.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
12. Much of the public doesn't trust legacy media....
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 08:37 AM
Friday

...... because it isn't entertaining enough and doesn't pander to their prejudices. Sometimes it even burdens them with having to carefully read about and understand a complicated situation and then actuality think about it.

But, even so, the "alternative" media wouldn't exist without the legacy media. To take an example, most of Raw Story's "reporting" consists of tendentiously aggregating snips of legacy media reporting and presenting them with click bait headlines. They would be lost without the legacy media reporting.

This story is another example... With the exception that Raw Story is much better at it than whoever it was that tweeted this.

LymphocyteLover

(9,064 posts)
22. you don't know who Marc Elias is???
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 08:32 AM
Saturday

He's only been instrumental in saving whatever democracy we have left with his legal battles.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
24. Nope never heard of him.....
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 09:32 AM
Saturday

.... That's that ding-dong legacy media for you!

On edit: I googled and found out he is the founder of the Democracy Docket, which I have heard of.

According to the New York Times (No Paywall):

Democratic Lawyer Stymied Trump in 2020 Other Efforts Played Into G.O.P. Hands. Marc Elias, hired to help Kamala Harris in election-related fights, helped to pave the way for big money in politics.

"Elias has arguably done more than any single person outside government to shape the Democratic Party and the rules under which all campaigns and elections in the United States are conducted."

So, I guess you and the New York Times are in agreement on this guy's importance.

LymphocyteLover

(9,064 posts)
19. there was a lot more than that, including one where the notorious pedophile said TRUMP WAS EVIL BEYOND BELIEF
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 04:15 PM
Friday

Lawrence O'Donnell highlighted this one on his show last night:

"He feels alone, and is nuts !!!, I told everyone from day one. Evil beyond belief. Mad, and most thought I was speaking metaphorically. Its [sic] obvious he could crack."

-- Jeffrey Epstein on Trump, in an email to reporter Landon Thomas Jr.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
20. Here is the exchange with the reporter, as reported by the Daily Beast....
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 04:53 PM
Friday

.... The Daily Beast is particularly interested in the exchange, because they were discussing a Daily Beast op-ed about how TSF was approaching a psychiatric breakdown. The op-ed drew on mental health experts who said Trump displayed signs of mania and posed an “imminent danger” to the public.

In the March 24, 2018, exchange with then–New York Times reporter Landon Thomas Jr. that included a link to the piece, Thomas told Epstein that Trump, now 79, was “scaring the s--t” out of him and warned the president “could well tank [the] global economy,” urging Epstein to try to speak to him.

Hours later, Epstein replied: “he feels alone. and is nuts !!! , I told everyone from day one. evil beyond belief. mad, and most thought i was speaking metaphorically. its obvious he could crack.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-warned-donald-trump-was-evil-beyond-belief-and-mad-after-mental-health-scrutiny/


So how is this news that the New York Times should have rushed into print? Some guy says TSF is "evil" is news? I think we all know plenty of people who think and say TSF is evil - one more guy saying it in an email isn't breaking news. In fact, it isn't even really news now. It's getting published just as an adjunct to all the other emails that have been released, and because every news outlet, right now, has to publish something from the emails.

I don't see how this indicates anything remise on the part of the reporter, the NYT, or the "legacy media".

LymphocyteLover

(9,064 posts)
23. No one is saying that in itself is something that needed to be reported or rushed into print
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 08:34 AM
Saturday

the point is the cozy exchanges of Epstein with this reporter, who knew well of the close relationship between tRump and Epstein, the world's most notorious pedophile, and somehow couldn't see to publishing a story warning the country about that.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
25. Actually, that seems to be the point the OP was making .....
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 09:39 AM
Saturday
At the same time the NY Times was hyping Hillary Clinton's emails, it had a reporter with emails from Jeffrey Epstein that were highly damaging to Trump.


It is the JOB of a reporter to cozy up to sources, ask leading questions, get them to talk. He's doing his job.

LymphocyteLover

(9,064 posts)
26. Sure, but I was referring to the specific email I quoted, not the more general issue of what sort of
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 07:38 PM
Saturday

damaging info Epstein had on DJT.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
28. OK. So to the point about cozying up ....
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 09:23 PM
Saturday

..... a reporter pursues information from sources by "cozying up" to them. If you want to find out what is going on, you have to talk to some "interesting", that is, despicable, folks. You send them articles, ask them questions, let them pontificate, and see if you can get them to rat out one of their "associates". If you want the dirt on TSF, you have to play nice with those who are or have been playing nice with TSF. So, he was doing his job. And we are all better off for reporters who do their job.

An observation: If this reporter knew Epsitine was a notorious , no good, very bad pedophile, then everyone knew it. It wouldn't have been a big news exclusive.

A question: How do you know this reporter NEVER wrote any negative revelations about Epstein? Have you done a survey of his reporting to come to that conclusion? I'm not saying he did, but if you want to say he didn't, you ought to look into it first.

LymphocyteLover

(9,064 posts)
30. I'm not so concerned about what that reporter wrote about Epstein as what he wrote about Trump
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 07:58 AM
Sunday

and clearly he didn't write anything that damaging about trump.

This reporter in question, Landon Thomas Jr., did write this famous New York magazine profile of Epstein from 2002:
https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

The article doesn't mention anything about pedophilia, sex, rape or girls.

reACTIONary

(6,857 posts)
31. I'm glad you looked into it. The article....
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 09:22 AM
Sunday

.... you provided was written in 2002. The criminal investigation into Epstein didn't begin until 2005. That might explain why the article doesn't mention anything about pedophilia, sex, rape or girls.

But, based on the the emails with Epstein, what did you expect him to write about TSF?

He was offered some pictures of TSF with some "bikini clad girls". He said yes, but either he didn't get the pictures or they didn't prove newsworthy. My guess is that E was gassing off, and such pictures don't exist. Maybe they will show up, but they haven't yet.

There are plenty of salacious pictures of TSF with women and girls in various states of undress, so a few pictures of him with some bikini girls, even if they existed, would not have been news. The Access Hollywood tape, which came out the year after, was front page news.... Brought to you by that main stream legacy media operation The Washington Post.

If it weren't for the main stream legacy media, we wouldn't know even a small fraction of what we do.

LymphocyteLover

(9,064 posts)
32. The point about Landon and Epstein is that in 2016, we knew who Epstein was -- a major pedo rapist--
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 03:04 PM
Sunday

and also good pals with tRump. And Landon was well placed at the NYTimes to dig into that ugly relationship. But for some reason the NYT didn't dig into that relationship and instead completely obsessed over Hillary's emails, that thoroughly tainted her and helped trump win. Meanwhile they ignored all kinds of dirt on tRump.

I understand we need good reporters and a robust media. I don't blame the reporters so much as the editors and upper level bosses what they decide to focus on. That's the problem with all of the MSM right now.

LT Barclay

(3,139 posts)
16. I'm from the "Show Me" state. I've always believed the NYT was overrated.
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 01:20 PM
Friday

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch was a quality paper that produced good writers.

PJMcK

(24,429 posts)
17. The Gray Lady sucks
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 02:27 PM
Friday

The NY Times used to be a highly respected newspaper. But just like CBS News, they’ve gone downhill since Reagan.

The Times squandered its storied history because of the owners’ greed. Even most of their columnists are, at best, lame.

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