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As an ex-Catholic I never thought I would see this....from Pew. (Original Post) Ping Tung Nov 13 OP
I'm not sure I've known any but so-called "Cafeteria Catholics" in my life... very selective in their doctrinal beliefs. hlthe2b Nov 13 #1
It's the rigid, doctrinaire Catholics like Vance, Barr, and Bannon who are cafeteria Catholics at this point. lapucelle Nov 13 #5
I was brought up Catholic and have many Catholic friends Diamond_Dog Nov 13 #2
I did 12 years Catholic school but rarely go to mass ( last time for a friends funeral) and the service was awful kimbutgar Nov 13 #4
I'm sorry that happened to you. Diamond_Dog Nov 13 #6
It's obvious why they would believe that but they don't vote accordingly? walkingman Nov 13 #3
The Catholic Church in the U.S.A. is as divided politically as the nation itself. hunter Nov 13 #7
I'm not Catholic.. Permanut Nov 13 #8
Have you been spending too much time with Lucky Charms and Floyd Turbo?.. niyad Nov 13 #10
I think so.. Permanut Nov 13 #11
Well, clearly your time has been well-spent! niyad Nov 13 #13
As a very dear friend once remarked to a gathering of the bishops in niyad Nov 13 #9
My wife was Catholic. Happily I never noticed. NNadir Nov 13 #12
How utterly wonderful. Do you happen to remember the name (Goddess niyad Nov 13 #14
The chapel? No idea although I probably could find out. NNadir Nov 13 #15
doesn't surprise me. Javaman Nov 13 #16
I stopped playing Cathopoly years ago. ChicagoTeamster Nov 13 #17
Catholics hav long been known to fall on the pro choice side of things Warpy Nov 13 #18
This poll result is a reflection of the Baby Boomer generation, as well as the next 2 generations FakeNoose Nov 13 #19
I'm not surprized SocialDemocrat61 Nov 13 #20
I was shocked to find out Conjuay Nov 13 #21

hlthe2b

(112,222 posts)
1. I'm not sure I've known any but so-called "Cafeteria Catholics" in my life... very selective in their doctrinal beliefs.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:18 PM
Nov 13

Or at least not many who were more staunchly traditional. Still, I'm sure there are/have been regional and non-US variations that exist..

lapucelle

(20,892 posts)
5. It's the rigid, doctrinaire Catholics like Vance, Barr, and Bannon who are cafeteria Catholics at this point.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:46 PM
Nov 13

They’ve pretty much rejected everything that either pope has said after Pope Benedict.

Diamond_Dog

(39,217 posts)
2. I was brought up Catholic and have many Catholic friends
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:21 PM
Nov 13

Although I rarely attend mass any more. Let me say this does NOT surprise me! Every woman friend I had used birth control and this was decades ago. When I was a child I used to hear my mother say they should let priests get married. And more recently with the shortage of priests I have heard from Catholic friends who say women should be allowed to at least be deacons.

kimbutgar

(26,513 posts)
4. I did 12 years Catholic school but rarely go to mass ( last time for a friends funeral) and the service was awful
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:35 PM
Nov 13

I had an ill fated first marriage and got married in the Catholic Church . The guy was a jerk and was physical at times towards me. I was too embarrassed and scared to tell my parents. The final straw was when he threatened my life and told me he married me for my money. I left him and moved back home to my parents house. I was so distraught I went to my church and met with a priest and he told me to forgive my husband and go back to him because I married him in church. That was it for me and the Catholic Church. 4 years later I remarried my current husband and my Mother said I received a piece of mail from the church. The ex was remarrying and wanted to annul the marriage because I took birth control ( I knew on the honeymoon I made a mistake and my mother always reminded me to take my birth control ) I had a good laugh reading those papers and they went into the garbage can!

The Catholic Church is so out of touch!

Diamond_Dog

(39,217 posts)
6. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:55 PM
Nov 13

That priest was full of crap about “you should forgive your husband.” Let *him* get abused and threatened and see how it feels.

My husband was married before me in a Catholic Church although he was not Catholic. He was divorced when we met. They had no children. We were told we couldn’t get married in a Catholic Church unless there was an annulment and the process the way it was described to me sounded so lengthy and intrusive I said no way. That ended any involvement on my part in the church.

walkingman

(10,143 posts)
3. It's obvious why they would believe that but they don't vote accordingly?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:30 PM
Nov 13

A good example of people voting against their own interests. Loyalty to a group? Moral authority of the church?

Religion has long been as a political tool to manipulate public opinion.

hunter

(40,212 posts)
7. The Catholic Church in the U.S.A. is as divided politically as the nation itself.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 02:19 PM
Nov 13

There are parishes that lean Republican, some of them extremely so, and parishes that lean Democratic. Joe Biden is a good representative of Catholics in most of the places I've lived.

Almost forty years ago when my wife and I were attending our engagement encounter as a requisite for our Big Catholic Wedding it seemed at least half the people attending the natural family planning sessions were rolling their eyes and whispering among themselves as the sincere married couple leading the session bravely soldiered on.

I'm not surprised by this survey.






Permanut

(7,782 posts)
8. I'm not Catholic..
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:11 PM
Nov 13

but understand that if you fart in church you must sit in your own pew.

Just what I heard anyway.

niyad

(128,662 posts)
9. As a very dear friend once remarked to a gathering of the bishops in
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:17 PM
Nov 13

our then-statewide diocese, "Why don't you celibate priests stay out of my bedroom?" I was excommunicated about the sme time, having been considerably more vocal, and far less polite (they had no clue I had already "left", only sticking around for the grand finale! ) .

NNadir

(36,967 posts)
12. My wife was Catholic. Happily I never noticed.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:25 PM
Nov 13

Our love life, pre and post marital, was wonderful, unimpeded by doctrine of any sort.

We didn't get married in a church, but as there was a blizzard underway, stopped off at a sleezy chapel in Lake Tahoe, where we were married by an obviously drunk "minister" of some sort or another, who if I recall mumbled something or another about Jesus.

My Catholic Father-in-law didn't approve of either me or our wedding, but by the time he went off into entropy, we grew to love one another.

niyad

(128,662 posts)
14. How utterly wonderful. Do you happen to remember the name (Goddess
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:28 PM
Nov 13

knows there were more than a few!!! ) ?

NNadir

(36,967 posts)
15. The chapel? No idea although I probably could find out.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:47 PM
Nov 13

It was a long time ago. Just after Thankgiving we'll celebrate 40 years of marriage.

For a while she was unhappy about how it all came down, when my father-in-law shelled out big bucks for the weddings of two of her sisters. I retorted that it is better that the wedding sucked but the marriage was great than the other way around. One of them ended up despising her ex-husband privately while managing to remain civil "for the kids."

These 41 years (my count, since the day we moved in together is what matters to me) have made my life worth living. (It may not have been worth living before she entered it.) Just when I think I couldn't possibly love her more, I do.

My son loves the story of our wedding which he claims is worthy of a movie by his favorite director, Wes Anderson.
The flowers were plastic and she was wearing a leg brace from a skiing injury. The photographs taken by the Chapel owner on a Kodak disposable camera all came out with red eye.

It was classically tacky.

Over the years she's forgiven me for it. It's good for a laugh.

Javaman

(64,949 posts)
16. doesn't surprise me.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:56 PM
Nov 13

I was brought up catholic and there was always a wink and a nod about birth control.

also, back in the 60's and 70's there was the imagined if not real divide between the American catholics and the European catholics.

ChicagoTeamster

(213 posts)
17. I stopped playing Cathopoly years ago.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:03 PM
Nov 13

Go to hell, go directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200

Warpy

(114,235 posts)
18. Catholics hav long been known to fall on the pro choice side of things
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:05 PM
Nov 13

and are consistently more liberal than their Protestant neighbors. Surprise!

It's why I value the people but can't stand the Church.

FakeNoose

(39,590 posts)
19. This poll result is a reflection of the Baby Boomer generation, as well as the next 2 generations
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:08 PM
Nov 13

I'm a Boomer, I grew up in the 60s having gone to Catholic schools for most of my young life. My cohorts and I spent countless hours discussing these very topics, and of course we were all liberals politically and religiously. My thought has always been that US Catholics would have been a completely different - and better - church if they had allowed women into the priesthood by around 1970.

They didn't as we all know, and instead we had the priest-pedophiles which has led to all sorts of other problems. I don't have to tell you that so many former Catholics have now left the Church, and if it weren't for the Latino Catholic immigrants a lot of the older inner-city parishes would have already closed. As it is they are combining parishes because there aren't enough Catholics to sustain them financially.

All they had to do was start ordaining women into the priesthood. It would have solved 98% of their problems.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,491 posts)
20. I'm not surprized
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:13 PM
Nov 13

I'm not an ex-catholic. I'm a bad catholic. But most catholics that I know are fairly liberal. Always have been. Mainly democrats too. Yes there are conservative catholics but then there is Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and AOC. Sometimes Catholics get lumped with evangelical christians because of abortion. But it's not really who the average catholic thinks.

Conjuay

(2,801 posts)
21. I was shocked to find out
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:38 PM
Nov 13

Someone I've known for thirty years recently admitted he hasn't voted since Obama. When I questioned why, I got some sort of mumbled excuse, 'well I was raised Catholic.' (abortion is some sort of deal breaker, I guess)
I fairly certain he hasn't 'been to church' more than once this century, but Holly Rolling Catholic doctrine still got him by the guilt trip.
I will never understand the logic of statements like that.

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