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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you consider "identity politics" a right wing idea? Real question, not rhetorical.
For quite a while I've heard/read "identity politics" mentioned by various talking heads on PBS, MSNBC and CNN, in in the NYT and DU. I've always taken it to be a phrase that could be applied all across the political spectrum, not necessarily (although sometimes) in a pejorative way.
Recently I was surprised to find that some people think of it as a purely right wing idea, applied pejoratively to the left.
What's your take on the phrase?
CTyankee
(67,626 posts)LAS14
(15,427 posts)I had understood it to mean that different political factions capitalize on people's group membership, as contrasted with more generalized policical issues. "I am a progressive." "You are fat, get out of my club."
pwb
(12,423 posts)with others, Identity politics.
CTyankee
(67,626 posts)which had gone on for so long, might eventually claim my son (then about 3 years old). I became an activist in that movement. My son remembers my buttons and the marches I went on. I think it formed in him some basis for his becoming a lawyer. I have given him my button collection from that era to pass along to his son and explain the basis for my activism.
leftstreet
(38,461 posts)It was just never called that
Whinging and blubbering and striking out because of their "victim" status. OppReSSed the moment someone unlike them gets equal treatment
But when women and minorities mobilize for their rights and seek representation, it's "identity politics"
LAS14
(15,427 posts)Does that have a positive or negative connotation? Do you think of it as a way of putting them down? Or as a way of acknowledging their power as groups?
leftstreet
(38,461 posts)If that's what you mean?
The group practicing the unacknowledged identity politics projected their own behavior on women and minorities by saying "waah, you're doing identity politics!"
obamanut2012
(29,058 posts)I missed that
good grief
LAS14
(15,427 posts)leftstreet
(38,461 posts)LAS14
(15,427 posts)LAS14
(15,427 posts)Torchlight
(6,152 posts)And what exactly leads you to that belief?
LAS14
(15,427 posts)...that for many it is a way for the right wing to slur the left. My post is to find out what different people on DU thing.
Torchlight
(6,152 posts)LAS14
(15,427 posts)Torchlight
(6,152 posts)LAS14
(15,427 posts)obamanut2012
(29,058 posts)And you heavily implied you are against identity politics, using pronouns, etc.
What answer do you want?
LAS14
(15,427 posts)I acknowledged that it's necessary until we come up with something else. Why is that so hard to understand?
Samael13
(99 posts)I mean I am for equal protection under the law for all and our history as a country has not always guaranteed such even now. So should we take up the fight to make sure that happens? Yes we should in a perfect world all Americans would so that we may fulfill the idea of America that has been created.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,003 posts)Solly Mack
(96,130 posts)continues to cause.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,003 posts)Ping Tung
(4,052 posts)Tom pretty much sums up my thoughts on any form of "Exceptionalism", "Nationalism (aka patriotism), that infers that any group is less than another.
NewHendoLib
(61,447 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,775 posts)And yes, its a right wing construct and pejorative term the same way politically correct was/is.
Any minority or underrepresented group who merely asks for equal treatment falls under the category of identity politics. And, of course, the right wingers are quick to point out that anyone advocating for these groups only care about them or care about them over regular Americans which of course means white guys.
Its a huge part of the divisive tactics used by capitalists to keep the working class fighting each other instead of coming after them.
It works brilliantly unfortunately.
LAS14
(15,427 posts)haele
(14,889 posts)Okay, I tend to like to use the words that make up DEI.
Diversity, Equity, Inclusion.
Identity fits in really well with all of them, but Identity is not the focus. The focus is "Diversity" - casting your information and experience net as far as you can
"Equity" - providing necessary resources so there is not a recipient that is left disadvantaged more than others; or using actual, objective merit of the criteria you are using to perform the task or what you are looking for in a candidate and applying that equally across all your choices.
"Inclusion" - not disregarding a candidate based on stereotype or prejudice if that candidate meets all objective criteria.
Just because "She looks too young and girly, He looks like roadkill in homeless clothes, They look too ethnic or weird..." Those are, like, Your Opinion, dude".
..that young looking girly girl might also be a Tai kwando black belt who runs two miles and powerlifts 200 lbs daily - and can probably kick Kegsbreath's ass from DC to Tijuana any day of the week.
Hell, "Girly Girl" was my then 26 year old neighbor ten years ago; SDFD hired her after a stint as a Marine grunt (for the GI bill) as a firefighter and she was working her way to LT when we moved and lost track.
So, hurray for DEI! F*** "Identity politics", that's a Right Wing Meme, like "Welfare Queen"
Torchlight
(6,152 posts)Recently I was surprised to find that some people think 2 + 2 = 22. People can hold weird ideas, but it doesn't change math.
LAS14
(15,427 posts)unblock
(55,813 posts)The idea is to insult and dismiss liberal policies as being pandering to women and minorities. An earlier version was "special" rights for gay people, e.g., rather than equal rights, etc.
Moreover, it deflects from the fact that white supremacy is blatant and overtly identity politics.
ITAL
(1,239 posts)And made negative. Every few years a new one will appear that the left uses...politically correct, woke, DEI - and within a pretty short amount of time rightwingers will seize on that term, go apeshit over it, and change its meaning to include all their boogeymen. Then we'll come up with a new one.
Rinse and repeat.
AStern
(611 posts)nt
Johonny
(25,108 posts)People blame Harris for focusing on identity politics instead of table top issues, but her actual campaign wasn't the one running trans commercials or using code words for racism. Basically identity politics is used exclusively by the right get the poor fighting among themselves while they steal from them. Typically Democrats run on broader themes like equality, equity, opertunity.
AStern
(611 posts)choie
(6,443 posts)Any policy that promotes equal access to programs and services for anybody other than white Christian heterosexual men is considered identity politics.
Keepthesoulalive
(2,034 posts)It is not a both sides issue when the president and his cronies are firing women and minorities. The job losses in the black and Latino communities is staggering because we dont want no woke ideology. Ive never heard a black person say Im concerned that my flight may not be safe because the pilot is white. Never does anyone question if a white person is qualified, it is assumed he is. I have never seen a more unqualified group of people than the people who are running our government. DEI hires the lot of them.
LAS14
(15,427 posts)Keepthesoulalive
(2,034 posts)Is normally a segue. Minorities are being hammered and vilified by the people in power. We need people to stand with us and uphold us during these difficult times. Not try to find solutions to a problem we did not create. I normally do not quote Dr king but he was spot on about white moderates .