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LAS14

(15,427 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:01 AM Nov 13

Do you consider "identity politics" a right wing idea? Real question, not rhetorical.

For quite a while I've heard/read "identity politics" mentioned by various talking heads on PBS, MSNBC and CNN, in in the NYT and DU. I've always taken it to be a phrase that could be applied all across the political spectrum, not necessarily (although sometimes) in a pejorative way.

Recently I was surprised to find that some people think of it as a purely right wing idea, applied pejoratively to the left.

What's your take on the phrase?

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Do you consider "identity politics" a right wing idea? Real question, not rhetorical. (Original Post) LAS14 Nov 13 OP
Could you define the term more specifically? CTyankee Nov 13 #1
Well, I posted because it seems that there is not a clear, public, definition. LAS14 Nov 13 #4
I would call wearing political messaging on your person and association pwb Nov 13 #2
Back in the day, I wore buttons from Another Mother for Peace during the Vietnam era. I was frightened that that war CTyankee Nov 13 #7
White Christian Male the most powerful identity politics leftstreet Nov 13 #3
But when women and minorities mobilize for their rights and seek representation, it's "identity politics" LAS14 Nov 13 #5
They turned it into a smear leftstreet Nov 13 #6
The OP posted this thread yesterday obamanut2012 Nov 13 #9
Oh leftstreet Nov 13 #10
What about that post causes you to say, "Good grief??" nt LAS14 Nov 13 #33
That I miss so many things here n/t leftstreet Nov 13 #35
What's your point? nt LAS14 Nov 13 #34
Thanks, very clear. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #21
Do you believe it has a positive or negative connotation? Torchlight Nov 13 #20
For me it has a neutral connotation. I was surprised to find out... LAS14 Nov 13 #22
If you consider it 'neutral, why then your stated desire to 'come up with something else'? Torchlight Nov 13 #27
The phrase is neutral. The practice is necessary, but has its down sides. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #28
Your position on this seems to change dependent on the responses you receive Torchlight Nov 13 #29
Examples? I don't have a 'position.' I'm asking a question for which I have no answer. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #36
You have posted several posts on this issue in as many days obamanut2012 Nov 13 #8
I tried as hard as I could not to say I am "against identity politics." LAS14 Nov 13 #23
Im not really sure what identity politics are Samael13 Nov 13 #11
We live in a white supremacy and as long as that white supremacy exists, trying to pretend it doesn't is a fool's game. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 13 #12
Fools and those who pretend we don't live in a white supremacy with all the damage that has caused and Solly Mack Nov 13 #15
EXACTLY WhiskeyGrinder Nov 13 #16
The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. Thomas Paine Ping Tung Nov 13 #13
I've no idea what it even means. NewHendoLib Nov 13 #14
"Identity politics" was basically the old "woke." BlueTsunami2018 Nov 13 #17
Thanks for addressing the question in the spirit in which it was asked. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #24
It's a label used as a slur. Like "Social Justice Warrior". haele Nov 13 #18
No, although it can certainly be effective chum in the water if intended as such Torchlight Nov 13 #19
Interesting reply. Thanks. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #25
Orwellian propaganda tactic unblock Nov 13 #26
Any phrase can eventually be turned ITAL Nov 13 #30
I do. The only time I ever hear about "identity politics" "pronouns" "woke" "open borders" is from right wingers/media AStern Nov 13 #31
Yes, it is a strawman device used by the right Johonny Nov 13 #40
It's the Cass Elliot choked on a ham sandwich of politics. Same with the 'open borders' bullshit AStern Nov 13 #41
To republicans choie Nov 13 #32
You belittle the harm it is doing to marginalized people Keepthesoulalive Nov 13 #37
How am I belittling anything by asking a question? nt LAS14 Nov 13 #38
I'm just asking questions Keepthesoulalive Nov 13 #39
Well, this question was just a question. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #42

LAS14

(15,427 posts)
4. Well, I posted because it seems that there is not a clear, public, definition.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:24 AM
Nov 13

I had understood it to mean that different political factions capitalize on people's group membership, as contrasted with more generalized policical issues. "I am a progressive." "You are fat, get out of my club."

pwb

(12,423 posts)
2. I would call wearing political messaging on your person and association
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:12 AM
Nov 13

with others, Identity politics.

CTyankee

(67,626 posts)
7. Back in the day, I wore buttons from Another Mother for Peace during the Vietnam era. I was frightened that that war
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:29 AM
Nov 13

which had gone on for so long, might eventually claim my son (then about 3 years old). I became an activist in that movement. My son remembers my buttons and the marches I went on. I think it formed in him some basis for his becoming a lawyer. I have given him my button collection from that era to pass along to his son and explain the basis for my activism.

leftstreet

(38,461 posts)
3. White Christian Male the most powerful identity politics
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:15 AM
Nov 13

It was just never called that

Whinging and blubbering and striking out because of their "victim" status. OppReSSed the moment someone unlike them gets equal treatment

But when women and minorities mobilize for their rights and seek representation, it's "identity politics"

LAS14

(15,427 posts)
5. But when women and minorities mobilize for their rights and seek representation, it's "identity politics"
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:25 AM
Nov 13

Does that have a positive or negative connotation? Do you think of it as a way of putting them down? Or as a way of acknowledging their power as groups?

leftstreet

(38,461 posts)
6. They turned it into a smear
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:29 AM
Nov 13

If that's what you mean?

The group practicing the unacknowledged identity politics projected their own behavior on women and minorities by saying "waah, you're doing identity politics!"

Torchlight

(6,152 posts)
20. Do you believe it has a positive or negative connotation?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:05 PM
Nov 13

And what exactly leads you to that belief?

LAS14

(15,427 posts)
22. For me it has a neutral connotation. I was surprised to find out...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:21 PM
Nov 13

...that for many it is a way for the right wing to slur the left. My post is to find out what different people on DU thing.

Torchlight

(6,152 posts)
27. If you consider it 'neutral, why then your stated desire to 'come up with something else'?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:30 PM
Nov 13

LAS14

(15,427 posts)
36. Examples? I don't have a 'position.' I'm asking a question for which I have no answer. nt
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:13 PM
Nov 13

obamanut2012

(29,058 posts)
8. You have posted several posts on this issue in as many days
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:30 AM
Nov 13

And you heavily implied you are against identity politics, using pronouns, etc.

What answer do you want?

LAS14

(15,427 posts)
23. I tried as hard as I could not to say I am "against identity politics."
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:23 PM
Nov 13

I acknowledged that it's necessary until we come up with something else. Why is that so hard to understand?

Samael13

(99 posts)
11. Im not really sure what identity politics are
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:36 AM
Nov 13

I mean I am for equal protection under the law for all and our history as a country has not always guaranteed such even now. So should we take up the fight to make sure that happens? Yes we should in a perfect world all Americans would so that we may fulfill the idea of America that has been created.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,003 posts)
12. We live in a white supremacy and as long as that white supremacy exists, trying to pretend it doesn't is a fool's game.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:37 AM
Nov 13

Solly Mack

(96,130 posts)
15. Fools and those who pretend we don't live in a white supremacy with all the damage that has caused and
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:48 AM
Nov 13

continues to cause.

Ping Tung

(4,052 posts)
13. The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. Thomas Paine
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:44 AM
Nov 13

Tom pretty much sums up my thoughts on any form of "Exceptionalism", "Nationalism (aka patriotism), that infers that any group is less than another.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,775 posts)
17. "Identity politics" was basically the old "woke."
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:52 AM
Nov 13

And yes, it’s a right wing construct and pejorative term the same way “politically correct” was/is.

Any minority or underrepresented group who merely asks for equal treatment falls under the category of identity politics. And, of course, the right wingers are quick to point out that anyone advocating for these groups only care about them or care about them over “regular Americans” which of course means white guys.

It’s a huge part of the divisive tactics used by capitalists to keep the working class fighting each other instead of coming after them.

It works brilliantly unfortunately.

haele

(14,889 posts)
18. It's a label used as a slur. Like "Social Justice Warrior".
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:54 AM
Nov 13

Okay, I tend to like to use the words that make up DEI.
Diversity, Equity, Inclusion.
Identity fits in really well with all of them, but Identity is not the focus. The focus is "Diversity" - casting your information and experience net as far as you can
"Equity" - providing necessary resources so there is not a recipient that is left disadvantaged more than others; or using actual, objective merit of the criteria you are using to perform the task or what you are looking for in a candidate and applying that equally across all your choices.
"Inclusion" - not disregarding a candidate based on stereotype or prejudice if that candidate meets all objective criteria.
Just because "She looks too young and girly, He looks like roadkill in homeless clothes, They look too ethnic or weird..." Those are, like, Your Opinion, dude".
..that young looking girly girl might also be a Tai kwando black belt who runs two miles and powerlifts 200 lbs daily - and can probably kick Kegsbreath's ass from DC to Tijuana any day of the week.
Hell, "Girly Girl" was my then 26 year old neighbor ten years ago; SDFD hired her after a stint as a Marine grunt (for the GI bill) as a firefighter and she was working her way to LT when we moved and lost track.
So, hurray for DEI! F*** "Identity politics", that's a Right Wing Meme, like "Welfare Queen"

Torchlight

(6,152 posts)
19. No, although it can certainly be effective chum in the water if intended as such
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:55 AM
Nov 13

Recently I was surprised to find that some people think 2 + 2 = 22. People can hold weird ideas, but it doesn't change math.

unblock

(55,813 posts)
26. Orwellian propaganda tactic
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:30 PM
Nov 13

The idea is to insult and dismiss liberal policies as being pandering to women and minorities. An earlier version was "special" rights for gay people, e.g., rather than equal rights, etc.

Moreover, it deflects from the fact that white supremacy is blatant and overtly identity politics.

ITAL

(1,239 posts)
30. Any phrase can eventually be turned
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:47 PM
Nov 13

And made negative. Every few years a new one will appear that the left uses...politically correct, woke, DEI - and within a pretty short amount of time rightwingers will seize on that term, go apeshit over it, and change its meaning to include all their boogeymen. Then we'll come up with a new one.

Rinse and repeat.

AStern

(611 posts)
31. I do. The only time I ever hear about "identity politics" "pronouns" "woke" "open borders" is from right wingers/media
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:52 PM
Nov 13

nt

Johonny

(25,108 posts)
40. Yes, it is a strawman device used by the right
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:54 PM
Nov 13

People blame Harris for focusing on identity politics instead of table top issues, but her actual campaign wasn't the one running trans commercials or using code words for racism. Basically identity politics is used exclusively by the right get the poor fighting among themselves while they steal from them. Typically Democrats run on broader themes like equality, equity, opertunity.

AStern

(611 posts)
41. It's the Cass Elliot choked on a ham sandwich of politics. Same with the 'open borders' bullshit
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:57 PM
Nov 13

choie

(6,443 posts)
32. To republicans
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:00 PM
Nov 13

Any policy that promotes equal access to programs and services for anybody other than white Christian heterosexual men is considered identity politics.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,034 posts)
37. You belittle the harm it is doing to marginalized people
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:51 PM
Nov 13

It is not a both sides issue when the president and his cronies are firing women and minorities. The job losses in the black and Latino communities is staggering because we don’t want no woke ideology. I’ve never heard a black person say I’m concerned that my flight may not be safe because the pilot is white. Never does anyone question if a white person is qualified, it is assumed he is. I have never seen a more unqualified group of people than the people who are running our government. DEI hires the lot of them.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,034 posts)
39. I'm just asking questions
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:49 PM
Nov 13

Is normally a segue. Minorities are being hammered and vilified by the people in power. We need people to stand with us and uphold us during these difficult times. Not try to find solutions to a problem we did not create. I normally do not quote Dr king but he was spot on about white moderates .

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