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Quiet Em

(2,493 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:29 AM Nov 13

There is another aspect to the Epstein case that gets very little attention.

It's not just the con artist. It's about the massive effort to shield and protect all of the men who committed horrendous assault on young girls. The effort to shield all the men who knew about the crimes men committed against young girls, never seeking justice for the victims, but using the crimes committed on the girls for political or personal leverage. There are still far too many men who do not care or take seriously the abuse and assault of girls and women. They only care about protecting men from the consequences of their actions, no matter how horrendous the actions are.

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There is another aspect to the Epstein case that gets very little attention. (Original Post) Quiet Em Nov 13 OP
Yes, it's not just Trump. Obviously Trump and Epstein weren't alone in their predation Ocelot II Nov 13 #1
Trump doesn't believe there's anything wrong with raping girls. He also doesn't think it's wrong. Walleye Nov 13 #3
Exact. During his deposition in the E. J. Carroll case in NY... Justice matters. Nov 14 #34
No it's not just Trump in the files, but I believe Trump is the main reason for the coverup... Fil1957 Nov 13 #2
Exactly PatSeg Nov 13 #4
More than just child raping azureblue Nov 13 #5
True. It's not just the "Epstein Files" we need to see. It's the "Epstein Ledgers" GopherGal Nov 13 #11
Yes, yes, yes, and oui. Roy Rolling Nov 13 #16
If Chump is a money launderer he learned it from his buddy Jeffrey FakeNoose Nov 13 #19
Who was Trump's private banker st Deutsche Bank? Boomerproud Nov 14 #37
Thanks for your feminist, pro-equality insight about the context of this coverup. ancianita Nov 13 #6
the epstein class. mopinko Nov 13 #7
I have no doubt Trump is running a protection racket ToxMarz Nov 13 #8
Yes! Remember in 2016, the RNC was hacked evolves Nov 13 #24
I think there is much evidence already popsdenver Nov 13 #26
And he died "unnaturally" during, or, right before, Mme. Defarge Nov 13 #9
They think that power and money ENTITLES them to abuse women and girls. milestogo Nov 13 #10
THanks for the SHerlock reference; I didn't know it. Amaryllis Nov 13 #12
You mean like Bill Gates? infullview Nov 13 #13
Who introduced Epstein to this lifestyle? Puppyjive Nov 13 #14
What if the protection is due to reciprocity odins folly Nov 13 #15
K&R BlueWavePsych Nov 13 #17
That's the whole point of the Epstein case. Harvey Weinstein caused Me Too which exposed other Hollywood abusers. ChicagoTeamster Nov 13 #18
tRUMP: Harvey Weinstein "got schlonged." moondust Nov 13 #21
You're next, donny-boy. calimary Nov 13 #31
Eventually (knock on wood) they'll all be exposed. rubbersole Nov 13 #20
Make America Bilingual Again! Mr.Bee Nov 13 #22
There is the "droit du seigneur" aspect which is not considered in our supposedly classless society. fierywoman Nov 13 #23
I might add one more aspect that may be ignored... Boys... Radical Lutheran Nov 13 #25
This has been on my mind - for a slightly different reason soldierant Nov 13 #32
I don't care who introduced Epstein to this "life"... slightlv Nov 13 #27
Transhumanism + Technocracy -- Who Is Now King of the Hill??? ultralite001 Nov 13 #28
Largest blackmail operation in human history. yourout Nov 13 #29
It is interesting to me that "Woke" originally referred to powerful men sexually... Dem4life1970 Nov 13 #30
K&R spanone Nov 13 #33
oh but we're rich Snoopy 7 Nov 14 #35
Sheriff Bradshaw in Palm Beach County RandiFan1290 Nov 14 #36
Bingo! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Nov 14 #38

Ocelot II

(128,388 posts)
1. Yes, it's not just Trump. Obviously Trump and Epstein weren't alone in their predation
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:41 AM
Nov 13

of girls and women. But according to Epstein, Trump was "the dog that didn't bark," a reference to a Sherlock Holmes story - the clue to a robbery was that the dog didn't bark because he knew the robber. The implication was that Trump was more than just a "customer," but an insider. He was a pimp, not just a john; he didn't just know; he participated, almost certainly financially even more than sexually (if there's one thing Trump especially loves, it's money). There must have been many wealthy men who were customers of Epstein's trafficking enterprise, and they absolutely need to be exposed. They have been protected because they were/are wealthy and well-connected. Epstein seems to have been engaged in various forms of blackmail and extortion; was Trump also being blackmailed and extorted by Epstein, or was he doing the blackmailing and extorting along with Epstein?

Walleye

(43,279 posts)
3. Trump doesn't believe there's anything wrong with raping girls. He also doesn't think it's wrong.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:05 AM
Nov 13

To take or pay bribes. The man has no morality. He has never admitted he did anything wrong on January 6. So of course, if other men did the same thing, it wasn’t wrong in his mind

Justice matters.

(9,138 posts)
34. Exact. During his deposition in the E. J. Carroll case in NY...
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 01:02 AM
Nov 14

lil kingpin pedo the felon said it was (kind of) normal in world history for powerful men to abuse women. That's how he thinks he is allowed to do it because he has lots of money and influence (a bad one, but he has it).

Fil1957

(420 posts)
2. No it's not just Trump in the files, but I believe Trump is the main reason for the coverup...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:04 AM
Nov 13

PatSeg

(51,526 posts)
4. Exactly
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:10 AM
Nov 13

It's one big Boys Club. The men protecting those men who commit sexual assault are just as guilty in my opinion. It's absolutely infuriating.

azureblue

(2,627 posts)
5. More than just child raping
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:11 AM
Nov 13

Epstein had a money laundering business, that overlapped with Blackmail, child trafficking, and pedophilia..

I have no doubt Epstein helped Trump get his real estate financing from Deutsche Bank, backed by Putin. You can't, with a bad credit history, just walk into a foreign bank and get a loan, one that was first turned down, then magically accepted, without some string pulling..

Epstein brokered a lot of shady financial transactions, which why he had a lot of questionable deposits to his accounts, and money flowing through them. So the Epstein files are a lot more than just pervs from all layers of society, but it all overlaps with the same players.

GopherGal

(2,733 posts)
11. True. It's not just the "Epstein Files" we need to see. It's the "Epstein Ledgers"
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:39 AM
Nov 13

Epstein's bank records might be the REAL dynamite.

FakeNoose

(39,591 posts)
19. If Chump is a money launderer he learned it from his buddy Jeffrey
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:18 AM
Nov 13

Here's what I believe: Chump saw how much money Jeffrey made by investments, including selling stocks to the Russian oligarchs at great profit. So Chump wanted to get in on that and he began selling condos in the Chump hotels to oligarchs for exorbitant prices. This was happening in the early 90's when his casinos were going belly-up.

The oligarchs couldn't just come in and buy US property, they had to set up dummy corporations in which they were the sole owners - shielded from scrutiny. Chump told them how to do it, and I'm thinking maybe it was info that Jeffrey gave him. The buyers of Chump's condos were named "ABC Investments Inc." or something similar, but it was actually owned by Russians.

Michael Cohen has outlined much of this in his books, but I don't think he was smart enough to know about the dummy corporations. That came from Epstein. I'm just spitballin' here, it's all a guess but we'll find out the details soon enough.

Boomerproud

(9,059 posts)
37. Who was Trump's private banker st Deutsche Bank?
Fri Nov 14, 2025, 07:48 AM
Nov 14

The son of Justice Anthony Kennedy who conveniently retired to open the SC to the hard right supermajority.

ancianita

(42,650 posts)
6. Thanks for your feminist, pro-equality insight about the context of this coverup.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:12 AM
Nov 13
Democrats like you are much appreciated.

mopinko

(73,199 posts)
7. the epstein class.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:16 AM
Nov 13

have seen that term and sure hope it sticks.
wonder what happens when all the blackmail leverage is out there. might just b a 2nd american revolution.

ToxMarz

(2,624 posts)
8. I have no doubt Trump is running a protection racket
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:16 AM
Nov 13

He knows whos in there, and he will always exploit any preceived leverage he has. Just like he's doing with the tarrifs.

evolves

(5,692 posts)
24. Yes! Remember in 2016, the RNC was hacked
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:30 PM
Nov 13

along with the DNC. What Yam's flunkies found was more than enough to blackmail most of the repukes into toeing the party line.
(Consider lindsey graham's rapid turnabout, along with vance's, et al.)

popsdenver

(1,078 posts)
26. I think there is much evidence already
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:14 PM
Nov 13

that it was much bigger than just Trump

It appears it was Trump/Epstein/Putin/Musk............

Ghislaine? is going the route of the infamous Washington Madame Heidi Fleis. Remember her????? She got off due to the fact she had a bombshell of an insurance policy, just like Ghislaine? probably has....... A ledger of clients that several friends were instructed to release if anything happened to her.....

Mme. Defarge

(8,871 posts)
9. And he died "unnaturally" during, or, right before,
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:24 AM
Nov 13

a New York City blackout.

How conveeeeeeenient!

milestogo

(22,244 posts)
10. They think that power and money ENTITLES them to abuse women and girls.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:37 AM
Nov 13

They don't expect to be held accountable for it.

infullview

(1,098 posts)
13. You mean like Bill Gates?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:41 AM
Nov 13

Isn't it amazing how soon after it came out that he was also on the Lolita express that his wife filed for divorce?

Puppyjive

(899 posts)
14. Who introduced Epstein to this lifestyle?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:41 AM
Nov 13

I still believe it's the Russians behind all of this. They've got a death grip on the Republican party. What is going to happen to the US if the republican party, who is in office, folds? Complete disarray. This is where the treason comes in. Why did Donald need all of those classified docs? There is only one explanation. The Russians.

odins folly

(498 posts)
15. What if the protection is due to reciprocity
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:43 AM
Nov 13

If shitbag was a partner of Epstein, maybe those “powerful, connected, wealthy men” could point out the were referred to Epstein by shitbag???

And that’s why he doesn’t want the files shown. Why JusticeBarbi said there’s no list. Why he is trying sooooo hard to prevent anything being known.
Why JusticeBarbi said the names of “innocent people” would be redacted.

Also, she said the pictures were “nothing but downloaded k porn” that sounds a lot like video of clients with those girls

ChicagoTeamster

(214 posts)
18. That's the whole point of the Epstein case. Harvey Weinstein caused Me Too which exposed other Hollywood abusers.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:17 AM
Nov 13

moondust

(21,148 posts)
21. tRUMP: Harvey Weinstein "got schlonged."
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:09 PM
Nov 13
Donald Trump 'Amazed' That Harvey Weinstein, Serial Sexual Abuser, 'Got Schlonged'
Donald Trump is “amazed” that Harvey Weinstein was held accountable for the decades of sexual harassment, assault and rape allegations against him.

rubbersole

(10,910 posts)
20. Eventually (knock on wood) they'll all be exposed.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:05 PM
Nov 13

Too many people have seen the actual evidence to permanently hide the sordid facts that these "above the law" pedophiles want buried. My hope is that Bill Barr is held accountable for his actions during the Epstine murder. He is neck deep in this whole thing.

Mr.Bee

(1,491 posts)
22. Make America Bilingual Again!
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:38 PM
Nov 13

I'm sick of stoopid assredhats that shout 'speak english'!
No, you don't even speak english!
America has always been a bilingual, securlar country!
Not yours to take over and 'not-see'!

fierywoman

(8,481 posts)
23. There is the "droit du seigneur" aspect which is not considered in our supposedly classless society.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 02:12 PM
Nov 13

Radical Lutheran

(19 posts)
25. I might add one more aspect that may be ignored... Boys...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:57 PM
Nov 13

Am I the only one on DU wondering about all the emphasis on "girls" (young women)??? As camoflage for another aspect of this whole affiar? BOYS...

I am a person of Faith and in my long involvement with the church, it has been much more exceptable to talk about the abuse of "girls" (young women) than it has been to honestly discuss the abuse of "Boys" (young men). But the satistical count might reveal an even split between the abuse of females and the abuse of males. THIS might be the real scandal in the MSM and among the "elite" in corporate america.
We talk about how difficult it is for young women to come forward and testify about the abuse they have recieved. But the shame, guilt and self blame among boys and young men is magnified by the cultural baggage of "men needing to pull their big boy panties up." And not complain about the pain and suffering they carry.

Not sure there has been another book about Boys in Sex Trafficing since the 70's with "FOR MONEY OR LOVE" about "boy prostitution.
There is just as much market and money involved with Boys in the Trade as with Girls.

Some one should investigate this aspect of the Epstein Case too.

Enough said...

soldierant

(9,149 posts)
32. This has been on my mind - for a slightly different reason
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:08 PM
Nov 13

I can't help wondering if their attitude would change if the victims were boys - or men. Maybe not, given the facts you provide.

slightlv

(7,086 posts)
27. I don't care who introduced Epstein to this "life"...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:19 PM
Nov 13

tho frankly, I think his association with Robert Maxwell may have had a lot to do with it. He had the gene to lean towards pedophilia and found a way to profit from it, rather than find a way to kill it. I have no sympathy for him.

I have no heart for trump... who is one among the worst of the pedophiliacs. And a LOT more should be dug into his past to see if and how he has abused his own children, especially Ivanka. I want to see this man taken away in handcuffs. I want him adjudicated a pedophile and thrown into the darkest dungeon there is until the day he dies (which hopefully wouldn't be much afterwards). The globe will be a better place just by virtue of him not being on it any longer.

Most of us, I hope when mothers talk to their daughters, they raise this as a possible consequence of getting too close to men.. especially men much older than the daughter. I hope they can find the way to bridge the generation gap that usually happens... when the daughters "listen" but hear the age old "mom is so old she doesn't understand."

I only hope young girls... and the little bit older ones, too... pay attention to what is happening and know that THEY are in as much danger as anyone else they might have heard of.

And I hope, as this country finds a way to rebuild once trump and his pedophile administration is gone, we "make it right" for girls and for women... for ALL minorities. No more "women's wage", no more turning away from a position because of skin color. No more paying anyone less because of who they are, who they love, or what they look like.

I don't think we're turning a corner yet. trump is going to come down imperial on our ass, you just watch. But it's not going to go anywhere for him. He is one his way out... he's just too dumb to realize it and run for his life.

Dem4life1970

(1,032 posts)
30. It is interesting to me that "Woke" originally referred to powerful men sexually...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 07:22 PM
Nov 13

...assaulting and/or abusing women and girls, and it was quickly morphed into
a generic boogeyman for anything and everything esp. the right wing doesn't like.
The original usage of that term was for the above.

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