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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is another aspect to the Epstein case that gets very little attention.
It's not just the con artist. It's about the massive effort to shield and protect all of the men who committed horrendous assault on young girls. The effort to shield all the men who knew about the crimes men committed against young girls, never seeking justice for the victims, but using the crimes committed on the girls for political or personal leverage. There are still far too many men who do not care or take seriously the abuse and assault of girls and women. They only care about protecting men from the consequences of their actions, no matter how horrendous the actions are.
Ocelot II
(128,388 posts)of girls and women. But according to Epstein, Trump was "the dog that didn't bark," a reference to a Sherlock Holmes story - the clue to a robbery was that the dog didn't bark because he knew the robber. The implication was that Trump was more than just a "customer," but an insider. He was a pimp, not just a john; he didn't just know; he participated, almost certainly financially even more than sexually (if there's one thing Trump especially loves, it's money). There must have been many wealthy men who were customers of Epstein's trafficking enterprise, and they absolutely need to be exposed. They have been protected because they were/are wealthy and well-connected. Epstein seems to have been engaged in various forms of blackmail and extortion; was Trump also being blackmailed and extorted by Epstein, or was he doing the blackmailing and extorting along with Epstein?
Walleye
(43,279 posts)To take or pay bribes. The man has no morality. He has never admitted he did anything wrong on January 6. So of course, if other men did the same thing, it wasnt wrong in his mind
Justice matters.
(9,138 posts)lil kingpin pedo the felon said it was (kind of) normal in world history for powerful men to abuse women. That's how he thinks he is allowed to do it because he has lots of money and influence (a bad one, but he has it).
Fil1957
(420 posts)PatSeg
(51,526 posts)It's one big Boys Club. The men protecting those men who commit sexual assault are just as guilty in my opinion. It's absolutely infuriating.
azureblue
(2,627 posts)Epstein had a money laundering business, that overlapped with Blackmail, child trafficking, and pedophilia..
I have no doubt Epstein helped Trump get his real estate financing from Deutsche Bank, backed by Putin. You can't, with a bad credit history, just walk into a foreign bank and get a loan, one that was first turned down, then magically accepted, without some string pulling..
Epstein brokered a lot of shady financial transactions, which why he had a lot of questionable deposits to his accounts, and money flowing through them. So the Epstein files are a lot more than just pervs from all layers of society, but it all overlaps with the same players.
GopherGal
(2,733 posts)Epstein's bank records might be the REAL dynamite.
Roy Rolling
(7,356 posts)Trump is a money launderer.
FakeNoose
(39,591 posts)Here's what I believe: Chump saw how much money Jeffrey made by investments, including selling stocks to the Russian oligarchs at great profit. So Chump wanted to get in on that and he began selling condos in the Chump hotels to oligarchs for exorbitant prices. This was happening in the early 90's when his casinos were going belly-up.
The oligarchs couldn't just come in and buy US property, they had to set up dummy corporations in which they were the sole owners - shielded from scrutiny. Chump told them how to do it, and I'm thinking maybe it was info that Jeffrey gave him. The buyers of Chump's condos were named "ABC Investments Inc." or something similar, but it was actually owned by Russians.
Michael Cohen has outlined much of this in his books, but I don't think he was smart enough to know about the dummy corporations. That came from Epstein. I'm just spitballin' here, it's all a guess but we'll find out the details soon enough.
Boomerproud
(9,059 posts)The son of Justice Anthony Kennedy who conveniently retired to open the SC to the hard right supermajority.
ancianita
(42,650 posts)mopinko
(73,199 posts)have seen that term and sure hope it sticks.
wonder what happens when all the blackmail leverage is out there. might just b a 2nd american revolution.
ToxMarz
(2,624 posts)He knows whos in there, and he will always exploit any preceived leverage he has. Just like he's doing with the tarrifs.
evolves
(5,692 posts)along with the DNC. What Yam's flunkies found was more than enough to blackmail most of the repukes into toeing the party line.
(Consider lindsey graham's rapid turnabout, along with vance's, et al.)
popsdenver
(1,078 posts)that it was much bigger than just Trump
It appears it was Trump/Epstein/Putin/Musk............
Ghislaine? is going the route of the infamous Washington Madame Heidi Fleis. Remember her????? She got off due to the fact she had a bombshell of an insurance policy, just like Ghislaine? probably has....... A ledger of clients that several friends were instructed to release if anything happened to her.....
Mme. Defarge
(8,871 posts)a New York City blackout.
How conveeeeeeenient!
milestogo
(22,244 posts)They don't expect to be held accountable for it.
Amaryllis
(10,845 posts)infullview
(1,098 posts)Isn't it amazing how soon after it came out that he was also on the Lolita express that his wife filed for divorce?
Puppyjive
(899 posts)I still believe it's the Russians behind all of this. They've got a death grip on the Republican party. What is going to happen to the US if the republican party, who is in office, folds? Complete disarray. This is where the treason comes in. Why did Donald need all of those classified docs? There is only one explanation. The Russians.
odins folly
(498 posts)If shitbag was a partner of Epstein, maybe those powerful, connected, wealthy men could point out the were referred to Epstein by shitbag???
And thats why he doesnt want the files shown. Why JusticeBarbi said theres no list. Why he is trying sooooo hard to prevent anything being known.
Why JusticeBarbi said the names of innocent people would be redacted.
Also, she said the pictures were nothing but downloaded k porn that sounds a lot like video of clients with those girls
BlueWavePsych
(3,319 posts)
ChicagoTeamster
(214 posts)moondust
(21,148 posts)calimary
(88,577 posts)At least I hope so!
rubbersole
(10,910 posts)Too many people have seen the actual evidence to permanently hide the sordid facts that these "above the law" pedophiles want buried. My hope is that Bill Barr is held accountable for his actions during the Epstine murder. He is neck deep in this whole thing.
Mr.Bee
(1,491 posts)I'm sick of stoopid assredhats that shout 'speak english'!
No, you don't even speak english!
America has always been a bilingual, securlar country!
Not yours to take over and 'not-see'!
fierywoman
(8,481 posts)Radical Lutheran
(19 posts)Am I the only one on DU wondering about all the emphasis on "girls" (young women)??? As camoflage for another aspect of this whole affiar? BOYS...
I am a person of Faith and in my long involvement with the church, it has been much more exceptable to talk about the abuse of "girls" (young women) than it has been to honestly discuss the abuse of "Boys" (young men). But the satistical count might reveal an even split between the abuse of females and the abuse of males. THIS might be the real scandal in the MSM and among the "elite" in corporate america.
We talk about how difficult it is for young women to come forward and testify about the abuse they have recieved. But the shame, guilt and self blame among boys and young men is magnified by the cultural baggage of "men needing to pull their big boy panties up." And not complain about the pain and suffering they carry.
Not sure there has been another book about Boys in Sex Trafficing since the 70's with "FOR MONEY OR LOVE" about "boy prostitution.
There is just as much market and money involved with Boys in the Trade as with Girls.
Some one should investigate this aspect of the Epstein Case too.
Enough said...
soldierant
(9,149 posts)I can't help wondering if their attitude would change if the victims were boys - or men. Maybe not, given the facts you provide.
slightlv
(7,086 posts)tho frankly, I think his association with Robert Maxwell may have had a lot to do with it. He had the gene to lean towards pedophilia and found a way to profit from it, rather than find a way to kill it. I have no sympathy for him.
I have no heart for trump... who is one among the worst of the pedophiliacs. And a LOT more should be dug into his past to see if and how he has abused his own children, especially Ivanka. I want to see this man taken away in handcuffs. I want him adjudicated a pedophile and thrown into the darkest dungeon there is until the day he dies (which hopefully wouldn't be much afterwards). The globe will be a better place just by virtue of him not being on it any longer.
Most of us, I hope when mothers talk to their daughters, they raise this as a possible consequence of getting too close to men.. especially men much older than the daughter. I hope they can find the way to bridge the generation gap that usually happens... when the daughters "listen" but hear the age old "mom is so old she doesn't understand."
I only hope young girls... and the little bit older ones, too... pay attention to what is happening and know that THEY are in as much danger as anyone else they might have heard of.
And I hope, as this country finds a way to rebuild once trump and his pedophile administration is gone, we "make it right" for girls and for women... for ALL minorities. No more "women's wage", no more turning away from a position because of skin color. No more paying anyone less because of who they are, who they love, or what they look like.
I don't think we're turning a corner yet. trump is going to come down imperial on our ass, you just watch. But it's not going to go anywhere for him. He is one his way out... he's just too dumb to realize it and run for his life.
ultralite001
(2,306 posts)Jeffrey Epstein: Transhumanist + Technocrat At The Top Of The Pyramid?
https://archive.ph/TJ90X
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/12/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-timeline
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2025/11/investigative-reports/cold-harbor-eugenics-epstein-and-big-tech/
https://archive.ph/YPp8O
https://america2.news/part-one-just-what-was-jeffrey-epstein-doing-in-santa-fe/
https://america2.news/part-two-jeffrey-epstein-john-brockman-and-the-third-culture/
https://america2.news/part-three-what-was-epsteins-edge-agenda/
https://america2.news/part-four-making-sense-of-epsteins-russia-ties/
https://america2.news/part-five-epstein-iowa-and-the-maharishi/
https://america2.news/we-mapped-jeffrey-epsteins-social-network-heres-what-we-found/
yourout
(8,664 posts)Dem4life1970
(1,032 posts)...assaulting and/or abusing women and girls, and it was quickly morphed into
a generic boogeyman for anything and everything esp. the right wing doesn't like.
The original usage of that term was for the above.
Snoopy 7
(707 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,644 posts)He LOVES his daddy, trump