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Miles Archer

(21,000 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:33 PM Nov 12

Thanks to Mitch McConnell, you can now say goodbye to legal THC products like Delta 9

MCCONNELL BURIED IT IN THE "RE-OPEN THE GOVERNMENT" BILL. TRUMP SIGNED IT, SO SAY GOODBYE TO LEGAL THC PRODUCTS.

What the spending bill would change

The 2018 Farm Bill created a loophole for intoxicating THC to be sold in low doses, Carol Moss, a cannabis attorney for Hellmuth & Johnson, told Axios this week.

The shutdown deal would ban those THC products and also non-intoxicating CBD products, Moss said.
What they're saying: "The bill, as it now stands, overrides the regulatory frameworks of several states, cancels the collective decisions of hemp consumers and destroys the livelihoods of hemp farmers," Paul said on Senate the floor prior to the Tuesday vote.

"It couldn't come at a worse time for America's farmers."

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/12/government-shutdown-bill-thc-hemp-products
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Thanks to Mitch McConnell, you can now say goodbye to legal THC products like Delta 9 (Original Post) Miles Archer Nov 12 OP
That rotten fucker just couldn't go without fucking over FoxNewsSucks Nov 12 #1
It wipes out an entire industry in one fell swoop Miles Archer Nov 12 #2
Hopefully Canada is still fucking them. dem4decades Nov 12 #7
I thought he died n/t leftstreet Nov 12 #3
How would anyone know? dem4decades Nov 12 #6
No such luck oasis Nov 12 #9
There is no mention of Greg_In_SF Nov 12 #4
That was one of about a dozen sources I found that was stamped with today's date Miles Archer Nov 12 #8
and FAWK HIM!!!!!! a kennedy Nov 12 #5
My son needs Delta-8. Ilsa Nov 12 #10
No, what that tobacco juice dribbling old fart dd was kill the hemp industry Warpy Nov 13 #11
Protection regulations Kentucky bourbon Blue Full Moon Nov 13 #12
Delta 9 contributes to psychosis and cannabis induced schizophrenia Bluesaph Nov 13 #13
Let me point you in the right direction UniqueUserName Nov 13 #14
I don't believe in freedom of dangerous substances Bluesaph Nov 13 #26
How do you feel about alcohol and Tylenol being sold freely with no limits Blues Heron Nov 13 #29
Stupid argument not worthy of reply. Bluesaph Nov 13 #32
They are both infinitely more dangerous than cannabis, but let's ban cannabis Blues Heron Nov 13 #34
Post removed Post removed Nov 13 #37
You are seen. My god! Won't someone think of the children?!!111!!? UniqueUserName Nov 13 #38
For some people, this is true. Intractable Nov 13 #20
There is also an argument to be made that it causes more problems. Bluesaph Nov 13 #28
Also causes anxirty Bluesaph Nov 13 #30
It sounds like they are talking about *unregulated* sales of THC products Qutzupalotl Nov 13 #15
I don't think so. Miles Archer Nov 13 #16
I found this: Qutzupalotl Nov 13 #17
The problem is that a Delta 9 gummie is not a full-blown, full-strength cannabis product Miles Archer Nov 13 #19
My state legalized rec cannabis in 2015. Yours even earlier IIRC. Qutzupalotl Nov 13 #22
No, it's still illegal here, and i will most likely die before it becomes legal (it will NOT) Miles Archer Nov 13 #23
Yes -- just the ones in that bill. Qutzupalotl Nov 13 #24
Pennsylvania? ColoringFool Nov 13 #25
The Republicans haven't learned the lesson of the book Brave New World. Intractable Nov 13 #18
Without cannabis there would be no Beatles music as we know it today. They all getting high and writing music Blues Heron Nov 13 #31
If I recall, John Lennon mentions the "wake and bake" in the movie Hard Days Night. (Great movie!) Intractable Nov 13 #33
Can you imagine reggae without weed? It would still be ska! Blues Heron Nov 13 #35
Based on this nonsense, it's likely we'll see an acceleration... keep_left Nov 13 #21
Damn that old turtle to everlasting hell Jilly_in_VA Nov 13 #27
It Seems Like The Private Prison Industry Is All For This. BBbats Nov 13 #36

Miles Archer

(21,000 posts)
2. It wipes out an entire industry in one fell swoop
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:40 PM
Nov 12

I've purchased Delta 9 (and, on occasion, CBD products that didn't contain THC), and I've been getting one email after another from them saying "If this goes through, McConnell will put us all out of business."

And, he did. And he gave a boost to his Kentucky Whiskey mavens.

Miles Archer

(21,000 posts)
8. That was one of about a dozen sources I found that was stamped with today's date
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:38 PM
Nov 12

...and the ones I found were all consistent. I haven't seen the bill that actually got signed today so I'm going by what I see in the news.

Every source also said there would be a one year grace period but I have no idea when companies would stop selling products. Day 1? Day 364? Who knows.

a kennedy

(34,935 posts)
5. and FAWK HIM!!!!!!
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:49 PM
Nov 12

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

Ilsa

(63,624 posts)
10. My son needs Delta-8.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:42 PM
Nov 12

There are times when I need his behavior to be really chill, and Delta-8 is the only way to do it. I don't give it to him every day; maybe once every two or three weeks because using builds tolerance.

Warpy

(114,235 posts)
11. No, what that tobacco juice dribbling old fart dd was kill the hemp industry
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:11 AM
Nov 13

both the production of CBD products and straight hemp products, the oil, fiber and pulp products.

TCH has never been exactly legal in the US but some states have decriminalized it as a meication and for recreational use.

I sincerely hope this particular bit of ignorant right wing jackassery will be overturned when the new Congress is seated, In any case, the words "in psychoactive quantities" should have been added to "TCH" in that bill. I blame every single other Senator on both sides of the aisle for being that fucking ignorant.

Blue Full Moon

(3,027 posts)
12. Protection regulations Kentucky bourbon
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:19 AM
Nov 13

Is taking a beating. Canadians boycotting. Americans would rather get high instead of sick from drinking.

Bluesaph

(1,014 posts)
13. Delta 9 contributes to psychosis and cannabis induced schizophrenia
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:51 AM
Nov 13

I know this first hand. And the way it’s marketed as not being THC is deceptive when it behaves as THC.

I hate MM but have wanted more education about the risks out there for years and it’s too late. Too much disinformation to reverse. So I hope it is outlawed. A lot of psychotic homeless teens could have been saved.

UniqueUserName

(392 posts)
14. Let me point you in the right direction
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 06:49 AM
Nov 13

The authoritarian party that wants to tell you what to do with your body is the Republican Party.

This argument of yours merely wants to change the party of who tells everyone what they can to do.

I do agree with you that people should be educated on the effects of psychoactive substances. I am not a libertarian. It is not an oxymoron to support a person's bodily autonomy and social safety nets.

Bluesaph

(1,014 posts)
26. I don't believe in freedom of dangerous substances
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:30 PM
Nov 13

Kids will not be educated on everything out there. They just won’t. I don’t want heroin out there sold at smoke shops either.

Blues Heron

(8,068 posts)
29. How do you feel about alcohol and Tylenol being sold freely with no limits
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:34 PM
Nov 13

Lots of livers could be saved

Response to Blues Heron (Reply #34)

UniqueUserName

(392 posts)
38. You are seen. My god! Won't someone think of the children?!!111!!?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 03:24 PM
Nov 13

What you're advocating is a false equivalence. Children do not have the same rights as adults until the age of majority.

I am not opposed to the current sliding scale for the age of majority. For instance, a young person can typically drive at 16; they can vote at 18; in many states (or most) they can own real property at 21.

Do you also believe children should be protected from seeing gay people kiss? Ban all porn and sex toys because a child might possibly see it and become addicted? Do you believe that most activities adults might engage in should be highly regulated to protect kids from some amorphous, ubiquitous Bogeyman?

Intractable

(1,413 posts)
20. For some people, this is true.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:58 AM
Nov 13

Smoking pot destroyed my nephew's life. He liked it so much, he preferred it to his wife, his three very young children, and his job.

He lost them all.

He's in a mental hospital now. He's sane enough that he could get out. It seems he doesn't want to. I think it's because there's nothing for him in the real world.

There's much to be said for medical MJ. It's terrific for dealing with anxiety, insomnia, and nausea, for some people most of the time.

Bluesaph

(1,014 posts)
28. There is also an argument to be made that it causes more problems.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:34 PM
Nov 13

I loved laying on the beach high on edibles. I used to sneak my stiizy in my luggage when traveling on vacation.

And then I saw how it affected three loved ones. They didn’t know they had latent schizophrenia. The THC triggered the psychosis and none of the three have their lives back. One is dead to suicide.

The one thing is decriminalizing and making thc only available in specific circumstances. But we are talking about Delta 9 which markets as non THC yet does the exact same thing and is sold in smoke shops in any town.

That’s what I don’t agree with. It should not be available so readily and deceptively.

Bluesaph

(1,014 posts)
30. Also causes anxirty
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:38 PM
Nov 13

Propellor who get addicted to THC report they can’t get off because they get anxiety. The anxiety it once alleviated is now so severe that they can’t get off because they suffer debilitating side effects. Two of my daughters have this issue. They cannot stop smoking and their spouses don’t like it. But every time they try they get debilitating anxiety which even prevents them from going to work and being good moms. So they continue to be dependent on it.

Today’s weed ain’t the same as our weed!

Qutzupalotl

(15,601 posts)
15. It sounds like they are talking about *unregulated* sales of THC products
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:11 AM
Nov 13

at gas stations and convenience stores. Regulated sales are those at state-licensed dispensaries, where they check I.D. Those would not be affected, if I am reading this right.

Miles Archer

(21,000 posts)
16. I don't think so.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:37 AM
Nov 13

The "unregulated / gas station" products were the RATIONALE for this, but McConnell's solution is to make it ALL illegal.

There are multiple articles on this...most of them clearly state that CBD products...which are NOT "THC" products like Delta 9...would also become illegal.

People keep locking in to the "gas station" thing but it's bigger and broader than that. It's ALL hemp products.

Qutzupalotl

(15,601 posts)
17. I found this:
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:48 AM
Nov 13
https://legalunitedstates.com/thc-ban-in-new-bill/
Another major component of the bill is a targeted restriction on where intoxicating hemp-derived products can be sold. If implemented:

-Delta-8 THC, delta-10 THC, and other intoxicating hemp-derived cannabinoids would be banned from convenience stores, gas stations, and online platforms.
- Sales would be limited to regulated environments, likely similar to state-licensed cannabis dispensaries.

This approach mirrors how some states already manage intoxicating hemp items, moving them out of general retail and into controlled channels. For customers, this would mean fewer points of access. For retailers, especially small convenience stores, it would represent a steep revenue loss. And for manufacturers, the new restrictions would force packaging, marketing, and distribution changes across the board.

Miles Archer

(21,000 posts)
19. The problem is that a Delta 9 gummie is not a full-blown, full-strength cannabis product
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:55 AM
Nov 13

I lived in Colorado for a year, I went to dispensaries. People who are legally able to buy pre-rolls and flower and edibles are NOT GOING TO BUY a Delta 9 gummy with 3% or less THC.

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/congress-passes-bill-to-recriminalize-hemp-thc-products-sending-it-to-trumps-desk/

The link above states "the ban will apply even to nonintoxicating CBD products that people use for medical reasons."

and, once again, "gas stations" are CITED as the JUSTIFICATION and RATIONALE for this, but the "solution" is

Tucked inside the legislation is a controversial section to recriminalize hemp products containing THC that have proliferated since the crop was legalized under the 2018 Farm Bill that Trump signed during his first term in office. The president’s latest action reverses that move.


People keep misinterpreting this, thinking the only thing that's going to happen is that you won't be able to buy gummies at gas stations.

The bill REVERSES the 2018 Farm bill, which made hemp products with less than 3% THC legal. THEY WILL NO LONGER BE LEGAL.

Qutzupalotl

(15,601 posts)
22. My state legalized rec cannabis in 2015. Yours even earlier IIRC.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:35 PM
Nov 13

So the 2018 Farm Bill had nothing to do with state dispensaries.

Miles Archer

(21,000 posts)
23. No, it's still illegal here, and i will most likely die before it becomes legal (it will NOT)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:49 PM
Nov 13

This will be the LAST STATE in the United States to legalize it.

I HAVE SEEN legislation that KEEPS GETTING VOTED DOWN for MEDICAL marijuana (RECREATIONAL has NEVER been considered)

You basically have to be on your way out to qualify. Stage 4 cancer was one of the conditions listed. And THAT legislation gets voted down EVERY time it comes up.

You go to a weed doc in Colorado and say "I'm stressed" or "My tummy hurts" and you get rubber-stamped for a "Red Card." Here, they don't give a shit if you're dying. They don't want you tripping FOR ANY REASON, because THIS is the land of Budweiser and BBQ and they'd rather have you become an obese alcoholic because the state gets rich off of it. They don't want to have to set up new regulations in a new industry when they don't have to lift a finger for the cash to keep flowing in.

I "used to" live in Colorado. I now live in the south, where...according to Jeff Sessions..."good people don't smoke marijuana." People in my town get busted every week for having stash houses filled with weed, Oxy, Fentanyl, crack, and automatic weapons.

Anyway...people aren't reading these articles all the way through. This is NOT a campaign to end lab-created knock-off THC products sold in gas stations.

This will REVERSE the FARM BILL so that ALL CBD / THC products previously made "legal" in that bill will now be ILLEGAL.

Qutzupalotl

(15,601 posts)
24. Yes -- just the ones in that bill.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:03 PM
Nov 13

That is, hemp products sold over the counter in unregulated settings. This will not affect dispensaries, which are heavily regulated. Sorry you don't live in Colorado anymore.

Intractable

(1,413 posts)
18. The Republicans haven't learned the lesson of the book Brave New World.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:50 AM
Nov 13

It's a Brave New World of peaceful drug addicts.

The Alphas keep the people (Betas, Gammas, ...) in line by providing the drug Soma free for all.

Pot is a weak form of the fabled Soma.

Blues Heron

(8,068 posts)
31. Without cannabis there would be no Beatles music as we know it today. They all getting high and writing music
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:38 PM
Nov 13

Intractable

(1,413 posts)
33. If I recall, John Lennon mentions the "wake and bake" in the movie Hard Days Night. (Great movie!)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:42 PM
Nov 13

The Beatles big thing was LSD. No Magical Mystery Tour without it!

keep_left

(3,119 posts)
21. Based on this nonsense, it's likely we'll see an acceleration...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:15 PM
Nov 13

...of the "soft secession" blue-state policies. Who knows if that will be a portent of something more calamitous in the future.

...the signs have been visible for some time...the "blue states" have been quietly opting out of the most regressive and reactionary law and policy favored by the MAGA chuds (and before them, the "Tea Party" movement, etc.).

https://democraticunderground.com/100220583559#post3
https://democraticunderground.com/100220108758#post11

It started with things like sanctuary cities, ignoring FDA scheduling of cannabis, the devolution of abortion law to the states, and other similar movements over the last 20 years or so. And the ties that bind were further stressed by the Trump regime's disastrous mismanagement of Covid...I really wonder what the country is going to look like in another 20 years.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219688375#post12
https://democraticunderground.com/100219672176#post3
https://democraticunderground.com/100219025512#post26
https://democraticunderground.com/100219019557#post2

Jilly_in_VA

(13,559 posts)
27. Damn that old turtle to everlasting hell
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:32 PM
Nov 13

I rely on that stuff to help me sleep. I get it from a place in Indiana via mail order. I hope this doesn't shut them down.

BBbats

(268 posts)
36. It Seems Like The Private Prison Industry Is All For This.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:48 PM
Nov 13

They're pretty disappointed that people aren't getting thrown in prison for weed anymore.

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