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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFrom The Telegraph. Wealthy foreigners 'paid 80k for weekend safaris to kill civilians' in Sarajevo
Wealthy foreigners paid tens of thousands of pounds to become weekend snipers and shoot civilians during the siege of Sarajevo, according to allegations being investigated by Italian authorities.
An investigation has been launched into claims that gun enthusiasts and far-Right extremists travelled to the war-torn city in the 1990s with sniper rifles to pick off terrified Bosnians for fun.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wealthy-foreigners-paid-80k-for-weekend-safaris-to-kill-civilians-in-sarajevo/ar-AA1QeDJ3?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=691475784cfc47759b9af52e8cfdcf4d&ei=112
Takket
(23,367 posts)but seriously, this is a horrific story, worthy of front page news. hunting for sport? I hope anyone involved is locked up forever.
Ocelot II
(128,381 posts)Dem_in_Nebr.
(331 posts)Omnipresent
(7,260 posts)I heard a story about a slave ship in the 18th century, where most of the slaves died of all sorts of illnesses on board. So the owner in mid shipment, decided he wanted to declare a 100% loss on his cargo of people he was transporting. He ended up throwing the few living with all the dead, out into the middle of the sea. One crewman reported that women and children were flailing in the waves before drowning.
So people have sucked for a very long time!
malaise
(291,356 posts)The Zong massacre was a mass killing of more than 130 enslaved African people by the crew of the British slave ship Zong over several days from 29 November 1781.[a] The William Gregson slave-trading syndicate, based in Liverpool, owned the ship as part of the Atlantic slave trade. As was common business practice, they had taken out insurance on the lives of the enslaved Africans as cargo. According to the crew, when the ship ran low on drinking water after a series of navigational errors, the crew threw enslaved Africans overboard.
After the slaver ship reached port at Black River, Jamaica, Zong's owners made a claim to their insurers for the loss of the enslaved Africans. When the insurers refused to pay, the resulting court cases (Gregson v Gilbert (1783) 3 Doug. KB 232) held that in some circumstances, the murder of enslaved Africans was legal and that insurers could be required to pay for those who had died. The jury found for the slavers but at a subsequent appeal hearing the judges, led by Lord Chief Justice, the Earl of Mansfield, ruled against the slave-trading syndicate owners, on the grounds that new evidence suggested that the captain and crew were at fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zong_massacre
By the way, Hurricane Melissa just destroyed the town of Blackriver which was so wealthy back then that the town was the first place in Jamaica to have electricity.
Have to wonder if the insurance money made that possible.
Wednesdays
(21,390 posts)in the movie Armistad (1997).
malaise
(291,356 posts)https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-zong-a-massacre-the-law-and-the-end-of-slavery-james-walvin/9f9a67faef243f78?ean=9780300253887&next=t&next=t&affiliate=7256
Omnipresent
(7,260 posts)Who knows how many other slave ship owners resorted to this, while transporting slaves?
We may never know.
malaise
(291,356 posts)Lots of enslaved people were murdered - period
2naSalit
(99,038 posts)I'm a reclusive type.
Ocelot II
(128,381 posts)2naSalit
(99,038 posts)Though I've catless for several years. Until I moved I had ready access to several cats to enjoy but now I have none, yet. There are two longhaired torties at the other end of the building who leave tracks on my car, I feel accepted. But I'm moving on to a new place in a few weeks so I will have to figure something out.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,309 posts)yardwork
(68,615 posts)Dave Bowman
(6,291 posts)WmChris
(517 posts)I don't doubt there were wealthy gun nuts from the U.S. who participated as well.
Uday and Kusay and some of their buddies?
They were called Blackwater or whatever Eric Prince renamed them (they've gone through several iterations since), Now they're just ICE
muriel_volestrangler
(105,250 posts)ie not someone who might have said "I am joining Bosnian Serbs in trying to murder Sarajevans, because I'm on the Serb side".
Captain Zero
(8,639 posts)a kennedy
(34,928 posts)GopherGal
(2,733 posts)But it's just as likely she was one of their customers (perhaps as a guest of a political donor.)
Still, who is Hell for, if not these people?
I guess War Crimes tribunals are the closest to justice we'll get on Earth.
KPN
(17,031 posts)Only $1,000,000 must be paid in advance.
no_hypocrisy
(53,832 posts)Bad enough when its old lions. Unforgivable that people are the target.
Johnny2X2X
(23,625 posts)Over under is 2.5 and I'd bet the over.
justsomeguy01
(31 posts).. is that Don Jr wasn't involved. Too busy grifting & taking drugs. A few years ago he for sure would have been there.
2naSalit
(99,038 posts)He wasn't? Just asking because I would almost be willing to bet that went there.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,331 posts)I know a Chicago cop who has talked about retired coworkers/friends working in some African country (I forget which one) shooting poachers. And they aint exactly environmentalists.
DBoon
(24,529 posts)MIButterfly
(1,698 posts)I have no words. I am too heartsick.
Please let it not be true.
🙏
Prairie Gates
(6,884 posts)Italian prosecutors will essentially investigate anything if it gets their names in the Corriere della Sera.
So, I'm leaning towards "It's probably bullshit."
nuxvomica
(13,794 posts)Except no one was actually shot by him because his aim is so wicked bad.
bsiebs
(906 posts)Justice matters.
(9,135 posts)DOGE illegal cuts of Congress's approved USAID funds.
Starved to death is even worst than shot dead instantly.
Ocelot II
(128,381 posts)Don Jr. would be right up front - I doubt wild animals are doing it for him any more. How much more entertaining it would be to shoot a roofer right off the roof he's working on, or take out a nanny walking a kid to kindergarten!
William Seger
(12,066 posts)... but if someone does get shot, that's no biggie.
DBoon
(24,529 posts)one step at a time for them
70sEraVet
(5,131 posts)To which humanity are unable to sink.
JustAnotherGen
(37,399 posts)Happening in Sudan now?
ChicagoTeamster
(213 posts)cer7711
(596 posts)txwhitedove
(4,281 posts)58Sunliner
(6,246 posts)Out them now. Sick.
Deminpenn
(17,186 posts)nt
Lars39
(26,468 posts)maxsolomon
(37,891 posts)A lot of this sounds speculative, so don't expect names anytime soon. Other than:
redwitch
(15,217 posts)How are people that depraved?
misanthrope
(9,318 posts)Read up on the things that occur during genocides and wartime.
MagickMuffin
(18,010 posts)When youve accumulated as much wealth as these a*holes, we must they are easily bored and dont know what to do with all that moolah!
Us poorer people only have football and hockey to channel our mean streaks.
Question is: Who received payment, What is going to be done about it?
Actually no one will do jacksh!t about it just like child sex trafficking.
Traildogbob
(12,226 posts)How many were also Epstein clients?????
And many own America right now. And media, courts, Congress and senate, and are untouchable.
How Jesus taught us to accept. (:sarcasm