Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Hotler

(13,637 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:27 AM Nov 12

From The Telegraph. Wealthy foreigners 'paid 80k for weekend safaris to kill civilians' in Sarajevo

Wealthy foreigners paid tens of thousands of pounds to become “weekend snipers” and shoot civilians during the siege of Sarajevo, according to allegations being investigated by Italian authorities.

An investigation has been launched into claims that gun enthusiasts and far-Right extremists travelled to the war-torn city in the 1990s with sniper rifles to pick off terrified Bosnians “for fun”.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wealthy-foreigners-paid-80k-for-weekend-safaris-to-kill-civilians-in-sarajevo/ar-AA1QeDJ3?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=691475784cfc47759b9af52e8cfdcf4d&ei=112

52 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
From The Telegraph. Wealthy foreigners 'paid 80k for weekend safaris to kill civilians' in Sarajevo (Original Post) Hotler Nov 12 OP
now-a-days if people want to do this they just join ICE Takket Nov 12 #1
People suck. Ocelot II Nov 12 #2
Uber Wealthy People suck Dem_in_Nebr. Nov 12 #14
They've sucked what seems forever. Omnipresent Nov 12 #16
Not a story - the truth - the Zong massacre malaise Nov 12 #29
That was depicted in a brutal scene Wednesdays Nov 12 #32
PBS also covered it malaise Nov 12 #42
That's probably it then. Omnipresent Nov 12 #48
Agree malaise Nov 12 #49
That's why... 2naSalit Nov 12 #23
I decided a long time ago that cats are better people than people. Ocelot II Nov 12 #24
Same here... 2naSalit Nov 12 #25
Wealthy people suck in so many ways. SammyWinstonJack Nov 12 #52
Some humans are capable of horrifying acts. yardwork Nov 12 #3
That's sickening, these are seriously twisted people. Dave Bowman Nov 12 #4
Foreigners all? WmChris Nov 12 #5
Like... 2naSalit Nov 12 #27
Yeah Jilly_in_VA Nov 12 #34
"Foreigner" here means "non-Serbian" muriel_volestrangler Nov 12 #35
Someone made money. Like a money launderer. Captain Zero Nov 12 #50
Thought this only happened in the movies. a kennedy Nov 12 #6
I was going to say, "Hush! Don't give Kristi Noem any ideas!" GopherGal Nov 12 #7
How do you know they are not already doing it. Wanna blast a boat in the ocean to smithereens KPN Nov 12 #43
Canned Hunt no_hypocrisy Nov 12 #8
How many Trumps paid to do this? Johnny2X2X Nov 12 #9
The only surprise .. justsomeguy01 Nov 12 #26
How do you know... 2naSalit Nov 12 #30
It wouldn't surprise me. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 12 #10
Wait until they have canned hunts to kill Liberals in American cities DBoon Nov 12 #11
Coming soon! KPN Nov 12 #44
Is this really true? MIButterfly Nov 12 #12
The allegations are a bit dubious and the Serbians vehemently deny it Prairie Gates Nov 12 #18
Sounds like something Musk would do nuxvomica Nov 12 #13
The Trump sons (eric and jr) like hunting big game... bsiebs Nov 12 #39
Well, he did kill thousands of people in Africa with his criminal Justice matters. Nov 12 #40
Waiting for ICE to offer "opportunities" to wealthy assholes to shoot immigrants for sport. Ocelot II Nov 12 #15
Well, ICE is already paying a bonus if you just want to beat them up William Seger Nov 12 #22
ICE is hiring bounty hunters DBoon Nov 12 #47
There are no depths... 70sEraVet Nov 12 #17
I wonder if its JustAnotherGen Nov 12 #19
Like the Quentin Terrantino movie "hostel". ChicagoTeamster Nov 12 #20
The director of HOSTEL is Eli Roth, not Quentin Taratino. cer7711 Nov 12 #21
Ahem..., next, was this done in Gaza too?? txwhitedove Nov 12 #28
I have no words for these psychopaths. 58Sunliner Nov 12 #31
The Most Dangerous Game Deminpenn Nov 12 #33
Exactly what came to mind. Lars39 Nov 12 #36
"" AllaN01Bear Nov 12 #37
Russians, Italians, and Americans? maxsolomon Nov 12 #38
Oh dear God. redwitch Nov 12 #41
It isn't rare in our species misanthrope Nov 12 #45
Fun or Sport? MagickMuffin Nov 12 #46
Bets on Traildogbob Nov 12 #51

Takket

(23,367 posts)
1. now-a-days if people want to do this they just join ICE
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:30 AM
Nov 12

but seriously, this is a horrific story, worthy of front page news. hunting for sport? I hope anyone involved is locked up forever.

Omnipresent

(7,260 posts)
16. They've sucked what seems forever.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:14 PM
Nov 12

I heard a story about a slave ship in the 18th century, where most of the slaves died of all sorts of illnesses on board. So the owner in mid shipment, decided he wanted to declare a 100% loss on his cargo of people he was transporting. He ended up throwing the few living with all the dead, out into the middle of the sea. One crewman reported that women and children were flailing in the waves before drowning.

So people have sucked for a very long time!



malaise

(291,356 posts)
29. Not a story - the truth - the Zong massacre
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:46 PM
Nov 12

The Zong massacre was a mass killing of more than 130 enslaved African people by the crew of the British slave ship Zong over several days from 29 November 1781.[a] The William Gregson slave-trading syndicate, based in Liverpool, owned the ship as part of the Atlantic slave trade. As was common business practice, they had taken out insurance on the lives of the enslaved Africans as cargo. According to the crew, when the ship ran low on drinking water after a series of navigational errors, the crew threw enslaved Africans overboard.

After the slaver ship reached port at Black River, Jamaica, Zong's owners made a claim to their insurers for the loss of the enslaved Africans. When the insurers refused to pay, the resulting court cases (Gregson v Gilbert (1783) 3 Doug. KB 232) held that in some circumstances, the murder of enslaved Africans was legal and that insurers could be required to pay for those who had died. The jury found for the slavers but at a subsequent appeal hearing the judges, led by Lord Chief Justice, the Earl of Mansfield, ruled against the slave-trading syndicate owners, on the grounds that new evidence suggested that the captain and crew were at fault.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zong_massacre

By the way, Hurricane Melissa just destroyed the town of Blackriver which was so wealthy back then that the town was the first place in Jamaica to have electricity.
Have to wonder if the insurance money made that possible.


Omnipresent

(7,260 posts)
48. That's probably it then.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:03 PM
Nov 12

Who knows how many other slave ship owners resorted to this, while transporting slaves?
We may never know.

2naSalit

(99,038 posts)
25. Same here...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:45 PM
Nov 12

Though I've catless for several years. Until I moved I had ready access to several cats to enjoy but now I have none, yet. There are two longhaired torties at the other end of the building who leave tracks on my car, I feel accepted. But I'm moving on to a new place in a few weeks so I will have to figure something out.

WmChris

(517 posts)
5. Foreigners all?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:38 AM
Nov 12

I don't doubt there were wealthy gun nuts from the U.S. who participated as well.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,552 posts)
34. Yeah
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:11 PM
Nov 12

They were called Blackwater or whatever Eric Prince renamed them (they've gone through several iterations since), Now they're just ICE

muriel_volestrangler

(105,250 posts)
35. "Foreigner" here means "non-Serbian"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:12 PM
Nov 12

ie not someone who might have said "I am joining Bosnian Serbs in trying to murder Sarajevans, because I'm on the Serb side".

Captain Zero

(8,639 posts)
50. Someone made money. Like a money launderer.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:08 PM
Nov 12
Trump and Epstein both had money laundering operations in the 1990s.

GopherGal

(2,733 posts)
7. I was going to say, "Hush! Don't give Kristi Noem any ideas!"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:55 AM
Nov 12

But it's just as likely she was one of their customers (perhaps as a guest of a political donor.)

Still, who is Hell for, if not these people?

I guess War Crimes tribunals are the closest to justice we'll get on Earth.

KPN

(17,031 posts)
43. How do you know they are not already doing it. Wanna blast a boat in the ocean to smithereens
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:23 PM
Nov 12

Only $1,000,000 — must be paid in advance.

justsomeguy01

(31 posts)
26. The only surprise ..
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:46 PM
Nov 12

.. is that Don Jr wasn't involved. Too busy grifting & taking drugs. A few years ago he for sure would have been there.

2naSalit

(99,038 posts)
30. How do you know...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:48 PM
Nov 12

He wasn't? Just asking because I would almost be willing to bet that went there.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,331 posts)
10. It wouldn't surprise me.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:02 AM
Nov 12

I know a Chicago cop who has talked about retired coworkers/friends working in some African country (I forget which one) shooting poachers. And they ain’t exactly environmentalists.

Prairie Gates

(6,884 posts)
18. The allegations are a bit dubious and the Serbians vehemently deny it
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:16 PM
Nov 12

Italian prosecutors will essentially investigate anything if it gets their names in the Corriere della Sera.

So, I'm leaning towards "It's probably bullshit."

nuxvomica

(13,794 posts)
13. Sounds like something Musk would do
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:08 PM
Nov 12

Except no one was actually shot by him because his aim is so wicked bad.

Justice matters.

(9,135 posts)
40. Well, he did kill thousands of people in Africa with his criminal
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:20 PM
Nov 12

DOGE illegal cuts of Congress's approved USAID funds.

Starved to death is even worst than shot dead instantly.

Ocelot II

(128,381 posts)
15. Waiting for ICE to offer "opportunities" to wealthy assholes to shoot immigrants for sport.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:12 PM
Nov 12

Don Jr. would be right up front - I doubt wild animals are doing it for him any more. How much more entertaining it would be to shoot a roofer right off the roof he's working on, or take out a nanny walking a kid to kindergarten!

William Seger

(12,066 posts)
22. Well, ICE is already paying a bonus if you just want to beat them up
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:32 PM
Nov 12

... but if someone does get shot, that's no biggie.

maxsolomon

(37,891 posts)
38. Russians, Italians, and Americans?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:15 PM
Nov 12
The foreigners, from Italy, the US, Russia and elsewhere, are accused of paying Serbian forces to take part in the shooting spree during the Bosnian War.


A lot of this sounds speculative, so don't expect names anytime soon. Other than:

There is one well-known, documented case of a foreigner shooting at civilians from the hills surrounding Sarajevo. Eduard Limonov, a Russian nationalist, was filmed in 1992 firing a machine gun down on the besieged city. He was accompanied by Karadzic, who was later found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity during the Bosnian war. Limonov died in Moscow in 2020 at the age of 77.

misanthrope

(9,318 posts)
45. It isn't rare in our species
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:35 PM
Nov 12

Read up on the things that occur during genocides and wartime.

MagickMuffin

(18,010 posts)
46. Fun or Sport?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:48 PM
Nov 12


When you’ve accumulated as much wealth as these a*holes, we must they are easily bored and don’t know what to do with all that moolah!

Us poorer people only have football and hockey to channel our mean streaks.

Question is: Who received payment, What is going to be done about it?

Actually no one will do jacksh!t about it just like child sex trafficking.




Traildogbob

(12,226 posts)
51. Bets on
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:14 PM
Nov 12

How many were also Epstein clients?????
And many own America right now. And media, courts, Congress and senate, and are untouchable.
How Jesus taught us to accept. (:sarcasm

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»From The Telegraph. Weal...