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LymphocyteLover

(9,076 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:36 AM Nov 10

Trump is a terrorist and he was shooting hostages (hungry kids). The outrage is on this sick POTUS.

Dems are simply trying to keep the hostages alive.

Plus a lot of problems are caused by a longer shutdown.

Stop beating up on Dems.

This is no "win" for the president.

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Trump is a terrorist and he was shooting hostages (hungry kids). The outrage is on this sick POTUS. (Original Post) LymphocyteLover Nov 10 OP
We can't keep giving in and then saying, "not on us." This is on us. You don't give in to a bully. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #1
So true! Wuddles440 Nov 10 #4
We got a deal for a vote and now we know the preisdent was willing to starve kids LymphocyteLover Nov 10 #11
Yes, that's my point. This ISN'T a playground fight. Another way to say it is, "You don't negotiate with a terrorist." Scrivener7 Nov 10 #15
I don't think the GOP would EVER agree to restoring the cuts. The timing wasn't great for Dems to give in LymphocyteLover Nov 10 #17
What point was that? Scrivener7 Nov 10 #18
that the GOP cut the ACA subsidies and healthcare increases are Republicans's fault LymphocyteLover Nov 11 #19
We'll have to agree to disagree. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #20
I just used the same expression, before reading your post Easterncedar Nov 10 #2
The courts were on the cusp of restoring SNAP since withholding those funds is illegal Arazi Nov 10 #3
Yes, I see that. I am trying to fight despair. Easterncedar Nov 10 #5
Ill be out of health insurance and healthcare on January 1 Arazi Nov 10 #6
Sorry. I meant move past with fighting Easterncedar Nov 10 #8
I'm so sorry. The "all of this is fine" crowd seem to have no concern for people who will Scrivener7 Nov 11 #21
what makes u think a court ruling wd work? mopinko Nov 10 #7
Then I'd like that on record that he defied SCOTUS Arazi Nov 10 #9
I think that's the critical point here: Rethugs have proved they are willing to let kids starve. The Dems aren't LymphocyteLover Nov 10 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #10
what exactly am I denying? LymphocyteLover Nov 10 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #14
We need to put the pressure on the Rs Easterncedar Nov 10 #16
We did. This WAS bringing the fight to them. Then we caved. Again. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #22
Red state Dems need to pressure their R congress reps Easterncedar Nov 11 #23
First, if they are being elected by republicans, they're not likely to think they need to listen to Democratic callers. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #24

Scrivener7

(57,868 posts)
1. We can't keep giving in and then saying, "not on us." This is on us. You don't give in to a bully.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:46 AM
Nov 10

Giving into a bully makes it worse.

We had a huge tailwind and we parlayed it into nothing.

LymphocyteLover

(9,076 posts)
11. We got a deal for a vote and now we know the preisdent was willing to starve kids
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:27 PM
Nov 10

In terms of bullying, this wasn't a playground fight. There were lives at stake.

Also, there was never a real hope Repigs would cave and restore the subsidies.

Scrivener7

(57,868 posts)
15. Yes, that's my point. This ISN'T a playground fight. Another way to say it is, "You don't negotiate with a terrorist."
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:55 PM
Nov 10

And would they have restored them? We'll never know now, will we?

Big tailwind. And we accepted a deal where we got nothing.

LymphocyteLover

(9,076 posts)
17. I don't think the GOP would EVER agree to restoring the cuts. The timing wasn't great for Dems to give in
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:40 PM
Nov 10

I'll admit. But I'm sympathetic to the argument that the shutdown was hurting more people than Dems could have possible helped. Dems made their point, Repugs can reap the whirlwind now.

Easterncedar

(5,282 posts)
2. I just used the same expression, before reading your post
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:04 AM
Nov 10

The Rethugs have proved they are willing to let kids starve. The Dems aren’t. The courts aren’t helping. We need to look forward to a clean sweep. We need to unite and look ahead.

Arazi

(8,587 posts)
3. The courts were on the cusp of restoring SNAP since withholding those funds is illegal
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:31 AM
Nov 10

Ffs, we folded after only 48 hours of a 10% airline slowdown.

Nobody’s fooled.

We got nothing. The ACA vote is a thin sham to (try to) fend off justifiable outrage

Easterncedar

(5,282 posts)
5. Yes, I see that. I am trying to fight despair.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:55 AM
Nov 10

If we can use the outrage, go with it. But it seems to me to be self-defeating right now. How can we get past this?

Arazi

(8,587 posts)
6. Ill be out of health insurance and healthcare on January 1
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:02 AM
Nov 10

I’ll have to live with the fear and anxiety every single day, that I get sick or injured.

365 days of that ahead.

Doubt I’ll “move past this”. I don’t have that luxury. Y’all are going to have to “move past this” without me.

Easterncedar

(5,282 posts)
8. Sorry. I meant move past with fighting
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:06 AM
Nov 10

We can’t let this go. Your health insurance matters to me, too. This isn’t where I wanted us to be. Really.

Scrivener7

(57,868 posts)
21. I'm so sorry. The "all of this is fine" crowd seem to have no concern for people who will
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:32 AM
Nov 11

no longer afford healthcare, and all the horrors associated with that.

It's inadequate to describe my feelings, but I'm so sorry.

Arazi

(8,587 posts)
9. Then I'd like that on record that he defied SCOTUS
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:08 AM
Nov 10

Again, I reiterate, what would have really brought Thune to the negotiating table would have been another few days of air travel disruption.

Cut off private jets getting any ATC time and the shutdown would have ended Saturday morning

LymphocyteLover

(9,076 posts)
12. I think that's the critical point here: Rethugs have proved they are willing to let kids starve. The Dems aren't
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:29 PM
Nov 10

Response to LymphocyteLover (Original post)

Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #13)

Easterncedar

(5,282 posts)
16. We need to put the pressure on the Rs
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:23 PM
Nov 10

Hell, John McCain saved it by his one vote. We need to bring the fight to them.

Scrivener7

(57,868 posts)
22. We did. This WAS bringing the fight to them. Then we caved. Again.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:33 AM
Nov 11

They can be pretty certain, after we have done it twice, that we will always cave. So a shutdown, one of our only forms of leverage, is now off the table as something we can expect to work in "bringing the fight to republicans."

Scrivener7

(57,868 posts)
24. First, if they are being elected by republicans, they're not likely to think they need to listen to Democratic callers.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 09:28 AM
Nov 11

Second, to what end? We bring issues to the fore, and then our leaders don't stand behind us and use the few mechanisms of leverage available to accomplish our goals. We are seeing this over and over.

This isn't going to happen by changing republicans' behavior. They are where they want to be and their behavior is serving them just fine.

This has to come from us. And by us, I don't mean the rank and file. I mean the leadership.

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