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Celerity

(52,221 posts)
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:04 PM 9 hrs ago

Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 10. Hackers Are Celebrating.



https://prospect.org/power/2025-10-02-microsoft-abandoning-windows-10-hackers-celebrating/



This month, Microsoft will ruin hundreds of millions of computers in the U.S. and create more than one billion pounds of electronic waste, for no reason other than to make money, consumer and environmental advocates warn. The tech goliath valued at $3.8 trillion is ending support on personal computers for Windows 10, the second-most popular version of the operating system worldwide. This means that owners of devices that are too old to handle the free Windows 11 upgrade must make a choice. Businesses can pay Microsoft to extend support for Windows 10 for $61 per device, a cost that doubles each consecutive year for three years total. Individuals can pay $30 for security upgrades that are only scheduled to last for one year. Or everyone can bin their computers and buy a new one.

For everyone who can’t afford those choices, they can run Windows 10 without support, making their devices easier to hack. The sheer scale of what will happen when support ends on October 14 is “alarming,” Nathan Proctor, senior director the U.S. Public Interest Research Group (PIRG) Right to Repair campaign, told the Prospect. He noted that when Microsoft ended support for Windows 8 in January 2016, less than 4 percent of users were still running it. But about 42 percent of Windows computers worldwide are still using Windows 10.

Along with right-to-repair groups, consumer advocates, and environmental organizations from around the planet, PIRG is calling on Microsoft to extend free, automatic support for Windows 10, as the company announced last week it would do for an additional year within the European Economic Area. Proctor characterized Microsoft’s decision to end support everywhere else as holding security hostage. He asked, “Will having a secure device be the privilege of the well-to-do now?”



Millions of computers becoming obsolete because they cannot upgrade to Windows 11 is coming at a particularly difficult time for many working people. The U.S. unemployment rate has hit a nearly four-year high of 4.3 percent, and August saw an inflation rate of 2.9 percent. It’s easier said than done to encourage Microsoft users to upgrade their devices to newer versions—doing so can be costly. The pricing for a new, lower-end Windows 11 laptop begins at around $300, and a more advanced machine can be more than $3,000. Although it is possible to purchase a used or refurbished computer, that too can be costly.

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Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 10. Hackers Are Celebrating. (Original Post) Celerity 9 hrs ago OP
It is extortion by Microsoft and the computer industry dalton99a 9 hrs ago #1
In part it's driven by a drive to implement better security Abnredleg 9 hrs ago #6
EFFERS Faux pas 9 hrs ago #2
Switch to a Mac (n/t) PJMcK 9 hrs ago #3
Except the same thing can happen thinkingagain 8 hrs ago #7
Or they could install Linux Mint... QueerDuck 9 hrs ago #4
The vast majority of people don't have the skills to install or maintain Linux Abnredleg 9 hrs ago #5
In my few attempts at Linux, driver issues CivicGrief 8 hrs ago #9
I used to be one of those... QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #11
Thank you for this article! Lefta Dissenter 8 hrs ago #8
Or they could download a FREE Linux distro to use as their OS synni 8 hrs ago #10
Do you have to uninstall Windows do install Puppy Linux? Beartracks 5 hrs ago #26
Personally, I don't think it's not that bad..if you want to keep 10 chouchou 8 hrs ago #12
The Extended Security Updates (ESU) program ($30 for private users) for Windows 10 ends on October 13, 2026. Celerity 8 hrs ago #14
Ah..didn't know that. Thanks much. Supposedly, 11 pro is much harder to crack... chouchou 7 hrs ago #16
Not to mention ornotna 8 hrs ago #13
Windows 10 updates can be extended videohead5 7 hrs ago #15
I'm posting ForgedCrank 7 hrs ago #17
Microsoft mandates that Windows 11 can only be installed on a PC that has 64 GB of storage, a compatible 64-bit Celerity 7 hrs ago #18
You can ForgedCrank 6 hrs ago #23
LOL, I'm running software that gives my PC a Windows 7 interface Wednesdays 7 hrs ago #21
That is ForgedCrank 6 hrs ago #24
Microsoft announced this AnyFunctioningAdult 7 hrs ago #19
Millions will not be able to upgrade, due to strict hardware requirements. See post 18. Celerity 7 hrs ago #20
Yes AnyFunctioningAdult 7 hrs ago #22
You must pay me to use Microsoft or Apple products. hunter 6 hrs ago #25

Abnredleg

(1,167 posts)
6. In part it's driven by a drive to implement better security
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:47 PM
9 hrs ago

Newer motherboards have chips for improved security and they have to be present for Windows 11 - I had to replace my old PC because it didn’t have these chips and couldn’t be upgraded to 11. Yes, there is a profit motive, but there is also the issue that older hardware is far less secure.

thinkingagain

(1,305 posts)
7. Except the same thing can happen
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:53 PM
8 hrs ago

I just finally had to buy a new Mac.
Because the old one could no longer get updated and programs started to not be able to work on it.


Abnredleg

(1,167 posts)
5. The vast majority of people don't have the skills to install or maintain Linux
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:42 PM
9 hrs ago

I worked in IT for almost 30 years and know this first hand. People want an appliance they turn on and it works right away. They don’t want to know how it works.

CivicGrief

(234 posts)
9. In my few attempts at Linux, driver issues
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:58 PM
8 hrs ago

have always been the downfall (WFi, printers, etc.).

QueerDuck

(146 posts)
11. I used to be one of those...
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:29 PM
8 hrs ago

... But with a little determination and contempt for microsoft, I was able to teach myself what I needed to know by way of helpful YouTube videos. It's all a matter of determination and motivation.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,691 posts)
8. Thank you for this article!
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:53 PM
8 hrs ago

I hadn’t known about the extended support option. That buys me some time for my dad’s computer that I was assuming we’d have to abandon mid-month.

Still pissed off about it, but since my dad is 96 years old, I’m not about to buy him a new computer, so the $30 will be worth it.

Thanks again for informing me!

synni

(570 posts)
10. Or they could download a FREE Linux distro to use as their OS
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:23 PM
8 hrs ago

More stable, supports most common file types, and smaller distros like Puppy Linux give life to older computers.

When my Win98SE computer became obsolete, Puppy Linux kept me running until the year 2018.

It cost me absolutely nothing.

Beartracks

(14,119 posts)
26. Do you have to uninstall Windows do install Puppy Linux?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:12 PM
5 hrs ago

I've got a 10÷-year-old computer that was already stressed when forced to upgrade to Windows 10. I'd hate to abandon it.

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chouchou

(2,401 posts)
12. Personally, I don't think it's not that bad..if you want to keep 10
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:33 PM
8 hrs ago

I use 11 pro. (11 home is free and 11 Pro is 'bout 6 bucks) (www.electronicfirst.com)
Plus If you want to keep Windows 10 ..it will cost you 8.3 cents per day. Big deal.

chouchou

(2,401 posts)
16. Ah..didn't know that. Thanks much. Supposedly, 11 pro is much harder to crack...
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:53 PM
7 hrs ago

...but, that's the word from the special place..the internet! ..yeah.

ornotna

(11,370 posts)
13. Not to mention
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:35 PM
8 hrs ago

75% of the ATM's in America are based on Windows 10.

This will not be pretty.

videohead5

(2,758 posts)
15. Windows 10 updates can be extended
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:53 PM
7 hrs ago

Another year for free. You have to have a Microsoft account. go to settings and then click on updates and security and you should see enroll for a year of updates free. If not, make sure that all Windows updates have been installed.

ForgedCrank

(2,888 posts)
17. I'm posting
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:00 PM
7 hrs ago

this from a PC that is 14 years old and it is running Windows 11
It's just a matter of spending a little time downloading and reading, no problem
As a side note: I can't stand Windows 11 (or 10).

Celerity

(52,221 posts)
18. Microsoft mandates that Windows 11 can only be installed on a PC that has 64 GB of storage, a compatible 64-bit
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:10 PM
7 hrs ago
processor, and a high-definition (720p) display. Older laptops, from 2017 or before, cannot meet many of these specifications.

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications?r=1


The end of free support for Windows 10 on October 14, 2025 coincides with the new strict hardware requirements for Windows 11, which will render tens of millions of machines incompatible.

ForgedCrank

(2,888 posts)
23. You can
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:00 PM
6 hrs ago

install windows 11 on hardware that does not have the "required" TPM module etc. There are easy ways to bypass the security requirements. any machine within the alst 10 years will happily run it, and many even older than that.
That said, if someones machine is incapable of a 720P video display output and doesn't have a 64bit processor, it was meant for the scrap pile 15 years ago and probably came with Windows 2000 (or older) on it. Time to let that go, MS can't compile operating systems for 20+ year-old architecture, nor will you be able to get drivers from the various manufacturers for the extremely old equipment even if you could install it. Machines that old are not numbered in the tens of millions, not even close. and people who are still using them have not had any patches or support for 20 years already. They wouldn't chuck it in the trash just because Windows 11. They've already skipped over half a dozen major Windows versions and there is no security software that will run on them and there hasn't been for 2 decades.

Wednesdays

(20,865 posts)
21. LOL, I'm running software that gives my PC a Windows 7 interface
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:21 PM
7 hrs ago

For the life of me, I can't navigate Windows 10 or 11. So, I'm running Windows 11, but I installed a program that emulates Windows 7, which I always found a breeze to use.

ForgedCrank

(2,888 posts)
24. That is
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:04 PM
6 hrs ago

a very popular modification pack that I've seen a lot of people run.
It's very tempting because I despise the OS interface too, but I don't allow 3rd party freeware to have permissions to hooks in my operating system. I don't trust any of it.

19. Microsoft announced this
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:16 PM
7 hrs ago

Two and a half years ago. It is not like they just let people know... Windows 11 is a FREE upgrade if you have a PC running Windows 10.

Also, most articles fail to explain that the last monthly update will be released October 14th, which will cover the security patching until November 11th, which is the next Patch Tuesday...so you have a bit of extra time to complete the upgrade.

22. Yes
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:30 PM
7 hrs ago

You do need to have at least an 8th Gen Intel (released 2017) processor and a TPM 2.0 chip for security. There are ways to bypass that unofficially, but you do need modern hardware to support protection against modern threats. There is no 32-bit version of Windows 11, but 32-bit limits you to a max of 4GB of RAM which is hard to imagine being very functional running current programs.

Windows 10 ended up having a 10 year lifespan, just like Windows 7.

hunter

(39,992 posts)
25. You must pay me to use Microsoft or Apple products.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:32 PM
6 hrs ago

That's been my rule since I switched from Windows 98SE to Linux.

I like to keep things simple and avoid these sorts of drama in my life.

The last new computer I bought was a 386. Since then all my computers have been someone else's e-waste, with the exception of a Raspberry Pi or two.

So I guess I should be thankful to Microsoft for making all these older Widows machines obsolete.

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