'It was heartbreaking': Naked zip-tied children dragged from homes in 'surreal' ICE raid'
https://www.rawstory.com/it-was-heartbreaking-naked-zip-tied-children-dragged-from-homes-in-surreal-ice-raid/'Just hours after President Donald Trump said U.S. soldiers should use America's cities as “training grounds,” federal law enforcement officials on Tuesday night descended upon an apartment complex in Chicago where witnesses say they broke down residents’ doors, smashed furniture and belongings, and dragged dozens of them — including children — into U-Haul vans.'
My words: This is straight from Hitler's Nazi handbook.
Here's another article from Yahoo News:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ice-zip-ties-children-horrific-174937150.html
'ICE Zip-Ties Children in Horrific Raid on Chicago Apartment Building'
'A witness of the same name told the Chicago Sun-Times it was “heartbreaking” to see “kids coming out buck naked and taken from their mothers.”'
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Sadists following sadist's orders.
These people were apparently all stuffed in UHaul vans, in view of one another. Pretty sure there'd be witnesses, who would be talking, if something even more untoward was going on.
Also, I know ICE are horrible fascist assholes, but I'm pretty sure (at this point) they're not collectively so far gone that they'd stand around if one of their own were committing sexual assault during the course of operations, especially not against children 
They may have been, but I'm not sure that's established. We do seem to know their vans were at minimum used as holding cells. And yes I'd imagine that would be illegal to transport them in the back like that, but I think it would depend on the state as I'm not sure it's a federal regulation
Anyways, that particular crime would be more low-level than the vast majority of the other shit these assholes pulled 
I'm not sure I'd have headlined my article this way (I know it was not you who did so 
) but hey, it's RawStory, who always go for the clickbait headlines when possible.
NOTE: the naked zip-tied children is the ONLY aspect of this story that I find a little hard to swallow, and is certainly NOT a component that is required to make this overall story horrifying fascist-takeover bullshit
Yes, kudos to her, she bravely gave her name and statement
However, I'm responding the content of the HEADLINE, which if you compare to what she bravely said, is really not the same, and in fact none of these brave people said what the headline says. Yes, 5 people made statements, but only one of them mentioned naked kids. And she did not say they were "zip-tied and dragged from their homes". Also, some people might refer to a child in their underwear as "buck naked" when its in this sort of context (like, when they're in public), not meaning it as a "lie", it's just their own vernacular.
The headline as written is not accurately recounting what the witnesses actually said. That's all I'm saying, and I suspect MM means the same as well
I never defended 'neo cons imprisoning children', nor did I ask for videos of naked kids as proof on the news
I'm saying the whole thing is horrible, fascist, and illegal, even without "naked kids ziptied and dragged from their homes into vans". No witness actually said that happened, so I don't want the perception that it was horrible ONLY BECAUSE that happened to children to prevail, because it may well not turn out to be accurate, and then what are we left with, argument-wise? The fact that children were zip-tied to one another and caused to leave their homes seems pretty well established (i.e. said literally by a witness) so I'm advising taking a more cautious approach in the reportage, let's not hang our hats on the headline being literally accurate.
I'm almost always cautious and calculating like this, and I'm sorry if that offends
Again, that is not the same as "naked kids being zip-tied and dragged from their homes into vans". This is just a simple point that you keep putting words into my mouth about. I'm only saying maybe we shouldn't oversell this point about "naked kids being zip-tied and dragged into vans" because that is really not what Watson said, based on the quote they gave from her. Unless they have her on record saying more, I urge considering that people writing the articles are taking some editorial license with that characterization
Above all else my point is that the underlying horrible crimes KNOWN 100% to be in play here are:
1) Deploying a massive force of Combat-Ready Federal Agents upon a US apartment complex based on nothing but their own assertion of Tren De Aragua presence with no Judge to back such action, and no imminent threat that prompted immediate intervention.
2) Committing domestic terrorism against citizens by breaking down doors of private residences, without warrants, nor reason to believe a crime is in progress that could result in imminent harm to innocents if they did not forcibly enter.
3) Forcibly removing CITIZENS from their homes (adults or kids, black or white or Latino, naked or clothed, it's ALL TERRIBLE).
4) Conducting KIDNAPPINGS of said citizens by putting them in handcuffs/zip ties and forcing them into the back of vans, at least some of them for HOURS.
5) Apparently also doing some ransacking while inside their private residences, which they will NOT pay for.
6) They are Feds CLEARLY conducting regular domestic law enforcement duties by holding citizens because they had warrants (or drugs were found inside) and presumably delivering them to local LE after finding them through *ILLEGAL* means.
The totality of the known facts (1-6) conveys such overwhelming fascist authoritarianism & illegality that I feel like the detail of "the children were being treated just like the adults were" should be not be viewed like it's the "the whole story", especially because there's some ambiguity WRT what happened with said kids.
And I also submit that even if there were ZERO kids, the freaking fascist nature of the whole thing should still hold a LOT of weight
Hoping that now that I've been very clear about my actual meaning, we can quit arguing?
You are reading what you choose into my words, not what I actually said 
The headline is over the top, no witnesses said "zip-tied naked children were dragged from their homes". One woman said she saw "buck naked" children "taken from their mothers". That is not the same as the headline, as there's neither zip-ties, nor dragging, in her statement. Also not everyone's definition of "buck naked" is the same. Also none of the other 4 cited in the article said anything about naked kids.
The headline may well be exaggerating the situation to bring in the clicks is all I'm saying. It's not like rawstory doesn't do that, like, ALL the friggin time
As the headline claims
Only one of the five made it a point to say anything about "naked" kids.
From my perspective, whether there were or were not naked kids dragged from their homes is not the most important component of the story in terms of how fucked up, deplorable, and illegal this whole operation was. Though I suppose that part of the story is the one that would get headlines. As we see in this current case
do with waging war on citizens of the US.
Baby goebbels, kegbreath, and bondi were here yesterday and goebbels told a room full of police "you are unleashed." He actually said this to law enforcement officers.
Remember Tyre Nichols?
