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bigtree

(92,811 posts)
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:12 PM 15 hrs ago

This Reagan-appointed judge and I have the same question

On Tuesday, Judge William G. Young with the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts issued a 161-page opinion that legal commentators quickly assessed as “the most scathing legal rebuke of the Trump era,” as Politico senior legal affairs reporter Kyle Cheney phrased it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/just-in-trump-admin-absolutely-scorched-by-reagan-appointed-judge-over-chilling-free-speech-crackdown/ar-AA1NCfJd


...along with his rebuke and other remarks in his ruling, Judge Young posed a question which I believe defines the level of interest and concern among Americans about Trump's fascist 'war' against people of color- not only toward his immigration policies, but also the widespread assaults by the Trump administration against cities with large black or Latino populations; as well as Trump defining 'DEI' or diversity as a crime in order to justify cuts to billions of dollars of funding already signed into law, claiming it unjustly enables the advancement of people Trump regards as inferior to his white maledom; or illegally enables Americans less-abled than others because of some inherent trait or physical condition over the more-abled; or unfairly enables those of a different gender than him, or those who love differently than him... even those who disagree with Trump politically or speak out in opposition to his policies or actions.

Judge William G. Young, in his 161-page opinion:



Is he correct that many Americans will be convinced enough by Trump's rhetoric about the people he's demonized and labeled as enemies, believing that they are in some protected group, and will do little more than stand by and gawk in silence (or cheer it on) as people of color are targeted, corralled, detained, brutalized; all the while being demonized by the President of the United States as terrorists, drug gang members, and threats to society as he exclusively targets and assaults their communities and neighborhoods?

Will they tolerate his absurd and dangerous demonizing of the LGBTQ community as a terrorist threat?

Will they be fine with Trump's invented definition of Democrats as "the radical left," a definition that's now explicitly ingrained into every federal agency document, including information about the shutdown he's orchestrated? Will they just stand and gawk or cheer as he directs the force of the U.S. military against their own political rivals?

Will they "not stand up and defend our most precious constitutional values so long as they are lulled into thinking their personal interests are protected?"

Is he correct?
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This Reagan-appointed judge and I have the same question (Original Post) bigtree 15 hrs ago OP
I'm afraid so. I believe the magats are lost souls that would beleive anything that came out of Trumps mouth. OLDMDDEM 15 hrs ago #1
only maga? bigtree 15 hrs ago #2
I'm stuck on magats. I have relatives that believe every word he says. OLDMDDEM 15 hrs ago #3
it is weird bigtree 15 hrs ago #4
I know and they still support him. OLDMDDEM 15 hrs ago #5
I didn't mean it rhetorically bigtree 13 hrs ago #6
We are rapidly approaching the point where those 800 military personnel that attended the Tuesday meeting flashman13 12 hrs ago #7
I instantly thought the same thing bigtree 12 hrs ago #8
So far he is edhopper 12 hrs ago #9
"Good Germans" mountain grammy 12 hrs ago #10
the ones in between bigtree 10 hrs ago #11
Unfortunately, there is a significant part of the trump base who will do whatever trump wants LetMyPeopleVote 8 hrs ago #12
He is correct to believe the American people are divided, but incorrect overall, in that ancianita 7 hrs ago #13

OLDMDDEM

(2,779 posts)
1. I'm afraid so. I believe the magats are lost souls that would beleive anything that came out of Trumps mouth.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:16 PM
15 hrs ago

bigtree

(92,811 posts)
2. only maga?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:18 PM
15 hrs ago

...what about the others?

There's an insidious grading up of targets from migrants, to all people of color, to...

bigtree

(92,811 posts)
4. it is weird
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:24 PM
15 hrs ago

...how republicans' list of people in the country they're against shifts with the maga tide - even as the maga list of wrongs is starting to lean against the interests of many of them.

flashman13

(1,559 posts)
7. We are rapidly approaching the point where those 800 military personnel that attended the Tuesday meeting
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 04:05 PM
12 hrs ago

are going to have to make some hard decisions. We have a criminal government wiping their feet on the Constitution and daring the rest of us to do anything about it. I honestly believe real Americans still take their sworn oaths seriously.



edhopper

(36,671 posts)
9. So far he is
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 04:25 PM
12 hrs ago

Americans are accepting what he is doing and not standing up to him or to his fascist party.

mountain grammy

(28,255 posts)
10. "Good Germans"
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 04:35 PM
12 hrs ago

Threw babies into gas chambers. I think too many Americans harbor that level of hatred.

Sooner or later it will affect all of us because the “rules of engagement” are stupid.

bigtree

(92,811 posts)
11. the ones in between
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 06:42 PM
10 hrs ago

...people in between the oppressed and the elite

I actually think the regular military does better at 'rules of engagement' than the cosplay soldiers in ICE.

That's why they're advantaging the military, manpower and resources, to support their irregular troops who have none of the knowlege of, or care for rules of engagement ingrained into their actions that the actual military has (had).

ancianita

(42,077 posts)
13. He is correct to believe the American people are divided, but incorrect overall, in that
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:55 PM
7 hrs ago

the American people are not divided in the way he thinks they are or wants them to be.

One can say they are divided in so many ways that as one people, they don't know of any one thing to unite around. They've been hoodwinked, bamboozled, run amok.

That is not an American exceptionalism, either; this is what divides humans all over the world -- whether to live in the easier delusional world of Self, or to live in a harder reality world of others.

The dark, cynical message from the self-absorbed narcissist leader is that everyone needs to be united with him and to hell with the rest of humanity because, what've they got to lose yadda yadda.

The judge's is a good question and while it's your question, too, I gotta say that he's the judge and as judge must commit to answering his own question. The fans in the arena can't make the judgment call for him.

I said it's a good question, but that doesn't mean it's the right question.
This is not the question that Americans need to know and answer.

Answer the question of Americans' vision for their descendants, and the judge's question will be answered.

Which is: Are Americans divided about committing to a happier, more free, more prosperous and verdant future for their descendants?

The real on-the-ground divide of the American people is between those who are so lazy that they fear, hate or are indifferent to their neighbor, and those who do the work of loving their neighbor as themselves. And that they teach their children wisely and well by example.
Hate is easy. Love is hard.

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