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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSee the crap they're pulling in Chicago, it's frightening; but no one will pay attention
because the Media have decided the shutdown will be the topic of the day, and everyday;
"Just hours after President Donald Trump said U.S. soldiers should use America's cities as training grounds, federal law enforcement officials on Tuesday night descended upon an apartment complex in Chicago where witnesses say they broke down residents doors, smashed furniture and belongings, and dragged dozens of them including children into U-Haul vans.
Local resident Rodrick Johnson, who lives in the building raided by Immigration and Customers Enforcement (ICE) agents, told the Chicago Sun-Times that federal officials broke down his door, put him in zip ties, and kept him detained outside the building for three hours before letting him go.
https://www.rawstory.com/it-was-heartbreaking-naked-zip-tied-children-dragged-from-homes-in-surreal-ice-raid/
I asked [agents] why they were holding me if I was an American citizen, and they said I had to wait until they looked me up, he told the paper. I asked if they had a warrant, and I asked for a lawyer. They never brought one.
Pertissue Fisher, who also lives in the building, backed up Johnsons account and said that agents forcibly removed all residents from their homes regardless of their legal status.
They just treated us like we were nothing, she told local news station ABC 7 Chicago. They, like, piling us all up in the back on the other side, and it wasnt no room to move nowhere.
Ebony Sweets Watson, who lives across the street from the raided building, told the Chicago Sun-Times that she saw children, some of whom werent even wearing clothes, dragged out of the building by ICE agents and then placed into U-Haul vans."

Bev54
(12,929 posts)live love laugh
(15,949 posts)intheflow
(29,773 posts)It's unedited as I type this and it clearly states one of the Americans rounded up asked for a warrant and a lawyer.
Bernardo de La Paz
(59,143 posts)mopinko
(73,018 posts)and were a big media market. so i think its premature to say no 1 will pay attention.
jb pritzker has publicly called for ppl to get out their phones, and tape this crap. and we r.
hunter
(39,992 posts)MiHale
(12,190 posts)angrychair
(11,200 posts)They just watched as they threw naked children into cargo carriers like farm animals.
People just watched.
People just watched.
We deserve everything that is happening to us.
We are cowards.
We are privileged.
We are feckless.
We are spineless.
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)Army that repelled in from black hawk helicopters???
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)to prevent all this suffering....Kamala Harris warned us how bad this was going to be.... but some just thought she "wasn't the right choice" thus minimizing her perception as the proper alternative by the masses.
And here we are.... the whole world is suffering for it
live love laugh
(15,949 posts)
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)us because "they wanted to teach Democrats" (the majority of the party) "a lesson"? Because they got *convinced* by our side that Kamala Harris "wasn't good enough" while ignoring the major consequences for everyone for doing that....because some think the beatings will continue until morale improves is a good plan to convince the mainstream Democrats to their way of thinking....also ignoring the consequences for the vulnerable by doing that...well it's NOT working... things they complained about went from bad to worse now...
And all I keep thinking is....KAMALA HARRIS TOLD US SO...
mopinko
(73,018 posts)cook co went 56-48, and he didnt take il. but there r more magats here than id like.
Midnight Writer
(24,802 posts)We need to target not just government agencies, but individual government actors. Name the foot-soldiers and the people who gave them orders.
Folks' attitudes tend to change when their name is on the lawsuit and they have to defend their actions under oath in front of a court.
mopinko
(73,018 posts)out at the protests, etc. im sure there will b suits.
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)with Donald Trump....and it would be a conflict of interest.
Others have their own vulnerable families to think about because doing so comes with enormous potential cost...
This is what happens in a Fascist Dictatorship. I don't know how the hell we survive 3+ more years of this.
We better start getting on the good foot to plan what we do if there is no Midterm...
leftstreet
(37,429 posts)
mopinko
(73,018 posts)how wd he do that?
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)How does he do this
I don't think people really understand the precipice we are on.. the danger zone we have now entered
leftstreet
(37,429 posts)He can do that
It would make enormous headlines for him, AND other Govs
I'm sure he has a plan though
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)Sending their NG troops ....Red States are.....Confederacy 2.0
Jilly_in_VA
(13,150 posts)when they come in by helicopter. It's kinda hard that way.
LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)This is Manifest Destiny. This is the original white supremacy reloading.
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)The South said it would rise again.....guess what? It's here. We are being run like a Red State now....batten down the hatches
LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)Most of the white people in this country voted for this. Everywhere.
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)Jesus take the god damn wheel
P.S. I come from deep red rural MAGA country. Daughter of a Sharecropper. My Great Great Grandfather got slaves by marriage and immediately freed them. Then he got conscripted into the Confederacy.....but escaped through the Great Smokey Mountains into Tennessee to join Sherman's Army as a Medic in the Calvary and became a decorated veteran, Captain Levi Jones...
Please talk to the hand.
LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)African Americans were redlined everywhere. They didn't redline themselves. Indigenous didn't cede their homelands just because. They didn't slaughter the 10s of millions of Buffalo to starve themselves, destroy their culture. Westward ho. From sea to shining sea.
The original Social Security excluded agricultural and domestic workers in order for Southern Democrats to buy in. The white southern Democrats that eventually migrated their bigotries and became GOPs.
Whites as a majority, vote with the GOPs. They say it's about economics, law and order, religious freedom, national security. But their ass is showing. It's always showing.
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)What the fuck kind of conversation derailing is this...?
We are describing what is happening NOW...
This is happening right now
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BLeJkHbXG/
LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)we've never paid the piper. We've never had a multi racial democracy applied with any equity, in access or justice.
We had an opportunity after the Civil War, but real change was quickly gutted. And there has never been any real justice.
You forget Donald Trump was elected twice with majority white vote, men and women. Not out of ignorance, but out of purpose. He survived two impeachments because most white people wanted it that way. He pardoned the insurrectionists because they were white and on his side. He's kidnapping and incarcerating people because they are not.
I don't understand why you are mad at me.
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LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)people of our history and basic M.O. You're mad because you want the help to cook you dinner while your counters and sink are full of dirty dishes from your last party.
Most minorities voted for Kamala Harris. Most whites didn't. Why?
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)We have Military dropping into neighborhoods from Blackhawk Helicopters......chainsawwing down doors marching out naked children in handcuffs to into uhaul vans in the middle of the night
Work on Trumps throne room continues even with the Shutdown ......does that sound like someone who plans on leaving????
Wake the fuck up!! We are crossing the Rubicon here..
LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)I mean what do you expect the zip tied kids and their parents to do NOW? Project 2025 is the product of the white power elite.
The masked, jack booted goons are commiting white supremacist terror. The majority white GOP and supreme court are purging and gerrymandering the minority vote.
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)You have no focus.....I can't do anything about the past BooBoo...
.I'm living in the fucking now. You seem to be under the delusion that that this is not going to get worse and or impact you and your loved ones....
We tried to tell you all so....things can always be worse...
LuvLoogie
(8,297 posts)It's been worse. 1730s,1830s,1930s America was probably down there for the blacks and browns. It's white supremacy after all. Manifest Destiny.
2030s ain't looking too good right now, either.
Will it get worse?
Ask the white supremacists.
people
(809 posts)That's what this is like
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)bluestarone
(20,394 posts)When NOBODY steps in to stop then, they will keep doing more and more with the BLESSING on our Supreme court. Some of them will get hurt or killed, but then it will come to Martial law! TSF wants it really bad. Folks, we are in a big CATCH 22 here! TY Supreme court!!
Initech
(106,446 posts)
LyfeTimeDem
(133 posts)Miracles arent coming....
riversedge
(78,059 posts)B.See
(6,828 posts)Adolph would be PROUD.
moonshinegnomie
(3,672 posts)Send cops to their homes and treat them the same way. Start with the officers in charge
Jilly_in_VA
(13,150 posts)Then they should stop acting like the GESTAPO!!!!! Those are straight up GESTAPO tactics.GESTAPO GESTAPO GESTAPO!!!!
Thunderbeast
(3,711 posts)Qualified immunity should not protect them.
twodogsbarking
(16,042 posts)* this replaces that other one.
Hekate
(99,640 posts)Initech
(106,446 posts)Stop watching this shit! All of it! It is poisoning this country!