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D. Spaulding

(402 posts)
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:28 AM 17 hrs ago

See the crap they're pulling in Chicago, it's frightening; but no one will pay attention

because the Media have decided the shutdown will be the topic of the day, and everyday;

"Just hours after President Donald Trump said U.S. soldiers should use America's cities as “training grounds,” federal law enforcement officials on Tuesday night descended upon an apartment complex in Chicago where witnesses say they broke down residents’ doors, smashed furniture and belongings, and dragged dozens of them — including children — into U-Haul vans.

Local resident Rodrick Johnson, who lives in the building raided by Immigration and Customers Enforcement (ICE) agents, told the Chicago Sun-Times that federal officials broke down his door, put him in zip ties, and kept him detained outside the building for three hours before letting him go.

https://www.rawstory.com/it-was-heartbreaking-naked-zip-tied-children-dragged-from-homes-in-surreal-ice-raid/

“I asked [agents] why they were holding me if I was an American citizen, and they said I had to wait until they looked me up,” he told the paper. “I asked if they had a warrant, and I asked for a lawyer. They never brought one.”

Pertissue Fisher, who also lives in the building, backed up Johnson’s account and said that agents forcibly removed all residents from their homes regardless of their legal status.

“They just treated us like we were nothing,” she told local news station ABC 7 Chicago. “They, like, piling us all up in the back on the other side, and it wasn’t no room to move nowhere.”

Ebony Sweets Watson, who lives across the street from the raided building, told the Chicago Sun-Times that she saw children, some of whom weren’t even wearing clothes, dragged out of the building by ICE agents and then placed into U-Haul vans."

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See the crap they're pulling in Chicago, it's frightening; but no one will pay attention (Original Post) D. Spaulding 17 hrs ago OP
I wonder if any of them asked to see their warrants? Bev54 17 hrs ago #1
"I asked if they had a warrant, and I asked for a lawyer. They never brought one." live love laugh 17 hrs ago #2
Maybe read the post you're responding to? intheflow 17 hrs ago #4
Wouldn't have helped. ICE (FBI was present) were smashing and chainsawing doors. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 16 hrs ago #5
it's getting a lot of play in the media here. mopinko 17 hrs ago #3
Lot of media play in the foreign press as well... hunter 16 hrs ago #6
WE ARE AT WAR...with our own government. MiHale 16 hrs ago #7
People did nothing angrychair 16 hrs ago #8
what do you do against the U.S. LyfeTimeDem 14 hrs ago #26
hmmm.....wonder what we could have done differently? LyfeTimeDem 15 hrs ago #9
I wondered how many of the accosted or onlookers eligible voted for this or voted by default of not voting. live love laugh 15 hrs ago #11
and how many protest voted against LyfeTimeDem 15 hrs ago #18
too many. mopinko 15 hrs ago #19
There should be lawyers flooding the zone with lawsuits over this. These should be slam-dunk cases. Midnight Writer 15 hrs ago #10
there have been a lot of lawyers mopinko 15 hrs ago #17
a lot of them are now under contract LyfeTimeDem 14 hrs ago #20
Thought Pritzker was going to kick them out leftstreet 15 hrs ago #12
he never said that. mopinko 15 hrs ago #15
Right.....short of declaring Secession LyfeTimeDem 14 hrs ago #21
Ask other Govs to send NG troops leftstreet 14 hrs ago #33
Blue State Governors aren't LyfeTimeDem 13 hrs ago #34
You can't kick them out Jilly_in_VA 14 hrs ago #29
It's ethnic cleansing, not an immigration crackdown. LuvLoogie 15 hrs ago #13
Confederacy 2.0 LyfeTimeDem 14 hrs ago #23
All the Northern states did ethnic cleansing, too. LuvLoogie 13 hrs ago #35
oh for god sakes LyfeTimeDem 12 hrs ago #36
The indigenous were driven out of their land everywhere LuvLoogie 6 hrs ago #37
and wtf does that have to do with this? LyfeTimeDem 6 hrs ago #38
It's happening "now" because LuvLoogie 6 hrs ago #39
Post removed Post removed 5 hrs ago #40
LOL what is nihilistic about reminding LuvLoogie 5 hrs ago #41
Look outside your bubble LyfeTimeDem 4 hrs ago #42
You seem surprised by all this. I don't know why. LuvLoogie 4 hrs ago #43
Im done with you LyfeTimeDem 4 hrs ago #45
You're confused by my demeanor. Of course it can get worse. LuvLoogie 3 hrs ago #48
Nazi Germany people 15 hrs ago #14
Exactly....1933 Germany so far LyfeTimeDem 14 hrs ago #24
The NAZI fuckers are testing limits. bluestarone 15 hrs ago #16
These psychopaths need to be removed from their ivory towers now! Initech 14 hrs ago #22
and HOW do we do that... LyfeTimeDem 14 hrs ago #25
#trump could Stop this cruelty at any time but he chooses NOT to stop it. riversedge 14 hrs ago #27
Stop it?? It's what HE WANTS them to do. B.See 4 hrs ago #44
Start arresting rhem moonshinegnomie 14 hrs ago #28
And they want us to stop calling them Nazis? Jilly_in_VA 14 hrs ago #30
Tell me how this is not kidnapping. Thunderbeast 14 hrs ago #31
Better that ninety-nine thousand innocent people are incarcerated unjustly than one guilty one go free. twodogsbarking 14 hrs ago #32
What do you call this? I call it people paying attention. Have you looked at Chicago newspapers? Hekate 4 hrs ago #46
It's all bullshit theater for bullshit cable news programs. Initech 4 hrs ago #47

intheflow

(29,773 posts)
4. Maybe read the post you're responding to?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:50 AM
17 hrs ago

It's unedited as I type this and it clearly states one of the Americans rounded up asked for a warrant and a lawyer.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,143 posts)
5. Wouldn't have helped. ICE (FBI was present) were smashing and chainsawing doors. . . . . nt
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:02 PM
16 hrs ago

mopinko

(73,018 posts)
3. it's getting a lot of play in the media here.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:48 AM
17 hrs ago

and we’re a big media market. so i think it’s premature to say no 1 will pay attention.
jb pritzker has publicly called for ppl to get out their phones, and tape this crap. and we r.

angrychair

(11,200 posts)
8. People did nothing
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:30 PM
16 hrs ago

They just watched as they threw naked children into cargo carriers like farm animals.

People just watched.

People just watched.

We deserve everything that is happening to us.

We are cowards.
We are privileged.
We are feckless.
We are spineless.

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
9. hmmm.....wonder what we could have done differently?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:54 PM
15 hrs ago

to prevent all this suffering....Kamala Harris warned us how bad this was going to be.... but some just thought she "wasn't the right choice" thus minimizing her perception as the proper alternative by the masses.

And here we are.... the whole world is suffering for it

live love laugh

(15,949 posts)
11. I wondered how many of the accosted or onlookers eligible voted for this or voted by default of not voting.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:18 PM
15 hrs ago
🤔

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
18. and how many protest voted against
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:47 PM
15 hrs ago

us because "they wanted to teach Democrats" (the majority of the party) "a lesson"? Because they got *convinced* by our side that Kamala Harris "wasn't good enough" while ignoring the major consequences for everyone for doing that....because some think the beatings will continue until morale improves is a good plan to convince the mainstream Democrats to their way of thinking....also ignoring the consequences for the vulnerable by doing that...well it's NOT working... things they complained about went from bad to worse now...

And all I keep thinking is....KAMALA HARRIS TOLD US SO...

mopinko

(73,018 posts)
19. too many.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:49 PM
15 hrs ago

cook co went 56-48, and he didnt take il. but there r more magats here than i’d like.

Midnight Writer

(24,802 posts)
10. There should be lawyers flooding the zone with lawsuits over this. These should be slam-dunk cases.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:06 PM
15 hrs ago

We need to target not just government agencies, but individual government actors. Name the foot-soldiers and the people who gave them orders.

Folks' attitudes tend to change when their name is on the lawsuit and they have to defend their actions under oath in front of a court.

mopinko

(73,018 posts)
17. there have been a lot of lawyers
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:46 PM
15 hrs ago

out at the protests, etc. i’m sure there will b suits.

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
20. a lot of them are now under contract
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:51 PM
14 hrs ago

with Donald Trump....and it would be a conflict of interest.

Others have their own vulnerable families to think about because doing so comes with enormous potential cost...

This is what happens in a Fascist Dictatorship. I don't know how the hell we survive 3+ more years of this.

We better start getting on the good foot to plan what we do if there is no Midterm...

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
21. Right.....short of declaring Secession
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:53 PM
14 hrs ago

How does he do this

I don't think people really understand the precipice we are on.. the danger zone we have now entered

leftstreet

(37,429 posts)
33. Ask other Govs to send NG troops
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:23 PM
14 hrs ago

He can do that

It would make enormous headlines for him, AND other Govs

I'm sure he has a plan though

LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
13. It's ethnic cleansing, not an immigration crackdown.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:37 PM
15 hrs ago

This is Manifest Destiny. This is the original white supremacy reloading.

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
23. Confederacy 2.0
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:55 PM
14 hrs ago

The South said it would rise again.....guess what? It's here. We are being run like a Red State now....batten down the hatches

LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
35. All the Northern states did ethnic cleansing, too.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:19 PM
13 hrs ago

Most of the white people in this country voted for this. Everywhere.

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
36. oh for god sakes
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 04:01 PM
12 hrs ago

Jesus take the god damn wheel

P.S. I come from deep red rural MAGA country. Daughter of a Sharecropper. My Great Great Grandfather got slaves by marriage and immediately freed them. Then he got conscripted into the Confederacy.....but escaped through the Great Smokey Mountains into Tennessee to join Sherman's Army as a Medic in the Calvary and became a decorated veteran, Captain Levi Jones...

Please talk to the hand.

LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
37. The indigenous were driven out of their land everywhere
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:20 PM
6 hrs ago

African Americans were redlined everywhere. They didn't redline themselves. Indigenous didn't cede their homelands just because. They didn't slaughter the 10s of millions of Buffalo to starve themselves, destroy their culture. Westward ho. From sea to shining sea.

The original Social Security excluded agricultural and domestic workers in order for Southern Democrats to buy in. The white southern Democrats that eventually migrated their bigotries and became GOPs.

Whites as a majority, vote with the GOPs. They say it's about economics, law and order, religious freedom, national security. But their ass is showing. It's always showing.


LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
38. and wtf does that have to do with this?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:24 PM
6 hrs ago

What the fuck kind of conversation derailing is this...?

We are describing what is happening NOW...

This is happening right now

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BLeJkHbXG/

LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
39. It's happening "now" because
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:48 PM
6 hrs ago

we've never paid the piper. We've never had a multi racial democracy applied with any equity, in access or justice.

We had an opportunity after the Civil War, but real change was quickly gutted. And there has never been any real justice.

You forget Donald Trump was elected twice with majority white vote, men and women. Not out of ignorance, but out of purpose. He survived two impeachments because most white people wanted it that way. He pardoned the insurrectionists because they were white and on his side. He's kidnapping and incarcerating people because they are not.

I don't understand why you are mad at me.

Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #39)

LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
41. LOL what is nihilistic about reminding
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:48 PM
5 hrs ago

people of our history and basic M.O. You're mad because you want the help to cook you dinner while your counters and sink are full of dirty dishes from your last party.

Most minorities voted for Kamala Harris. Most whites didn't. Why?

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
42. Look outside your bubble
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:53 PM
4 hrs ago

We have Military dropping into neighborhoods from Blackhawk Helicopters......chainsawwing down doors marching out naked children in handcuffs to into uhaul vans in the middle of the night

Work on Trumps throne room continues even with the Shutdown ......does that sound like someone who plans on leaving????

Wake the fuck up!! We are crossing the Rubicon here..

LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
43. You seem surprised by all this. I don't know why.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:12 AM
4 hrs ago

I mean what do you expect the zip tied kids and their parents to do NOW? Project 2025 is the product of the white power elite.

The masked, jack booted goons are commiting white supremacist terror. The majority white GOP and supreme court are purging and gerrymandering the minority vote.

LyfeTimeDem

(133 posts)
45. Im done with you
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:26 AM
4 hrs ago

You have no focus.....I can't do anything about the past BooBoo...
.I'm living in the fucking now. You seem to be under the delusion that that this is not going to get worse and or impact you and your loved ones....

We tried to tell you all so....things can always be worse...



LuvLoogie

(8,297 posts)
48. You're confused by my demeanor. Of course it can get worse.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:54 AM
3 hrs ago

It's been worse. 1730s,1830s,1930s America was probably down there for the blacks and browns. It's white supremacy after all. Manifest Destiny.

2030s ain't looking too good right now, either.

Will it get worse?
Ask the white supremacists.

bluestarone

(20,394 posts)
16. The NAZI fuckers are testing limits.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:46 PM
15 hrs ago

When NOBODY steps in to stop then, they will keep doing more and more with the BLESSING on our Supreme court. Some of them will get hurt or killed, but then it will come to Martial law! TSF wants it really bad. Folks, we are in a big CATCH 22 here! TY Supreme court!!

moonshinegnomie

(3,672 posts)
28. Start arresting rhem
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:08 PM
14 hrs ago

Send cops to their homes and treat them the same way. Start with the officers in charge

Jilly_in_VA

(13,150 posts)
30. And they want us to stop calling them Nazis?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:12 PM
14 hrs ago

Then they should stop acting like the GESTAPO!!!!! Those are straight up GESTAPO tactics.GESTAPO GESTAPO GESTAPO!!!!

twodogsbarking

(16,042 posts)
32. Better that ninety-nine thousand innocent people are incarcerated unjustly than one guilty one go free.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:16 PM
14 hrs ago

* this replaces that other one.

Initech

(106,446 posts)
47. It's all bullshit theater for bullshit cable news programs.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:47 AM
4 hrs ago

Stop watching this shit! All of it! It is poisoning this country!

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