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Gaugamela

(3,019 posts)
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 10:47 AM 23 hrs ago

'It's illegal': Retired general says military doesn't take up arms against innocent civilians

Retired General Mark Hertling makes an excellent point: generals and admirals all have mentors who are retired generals and admirals, and these mentors will intervene and put on the pressure when a serving officer steps out of line. Trump and Hegseth were speaking to many more than the 800 in the room, and the culture of honor in the military will simply not allow them to carry out an illegal order. This part of the conversation starts at the 10:30 mark.

Democratic leaders should announce that any service members who lose their ranks and/or pensions because they refused an unlawful order will have these restored under a future democratic administration.

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'It's illegal': Retired general says military doesn't take up arms against innocent civilians (Original Post) Gaugamela 23 hrs ago OP
"Retired" But so far the active duty leaders doc03 22 hrs ago #1
They are not allowed to be political obamanut2012 22 hrs ago #3
But will they obey an illeagal order, I don't doc03 21 hrs ago #4
I suspect many will retire -- some will go quietly, some will have their say. 70sEraVet 20 hrs ago #5
It has always been the case active duty cannot speak out. Irish_Dem 1 hr ago #6
Excellent suggestion in your last paragraph. Qutzupalotl 22 hrs ago #2

doc03

(38,452 posts)
1. "Retired" But so far the active duty leaders
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 11:18 AM
22 hrs ago

are silent. Trump even threatened them yesterday. If you disagree you can walk out but
your career is over.

obamanut2012

(28,865 posts)
3. They are not allowed to be political
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 12:01 PM
22 hrs ago

Can't clap, can't make a political statement. Not in the Officer Corps.

doc03

(38,452 posts)
4. But will they obey an illeagal order, I don't
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 12:50 PM
21 hrs ago

expect any to refuse. I think they want that next
promotion more.

70sEraVet

(4,949 posts)
5. I suspect many will retire -- some will go quietly, some will have their say.
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 01:49 PM
20 hrs ago

But I'm sure most of the officers in that room do not want to dishonor their military careers by being involved in attacks on American civilians.
Dangerous times.

Irish_Dem

(75,615 posts)
6. It has always been the case active duty cannot speak out.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 08:23 AM
1 hr ago

Retired officers do the public talking for them.

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